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    Does anyone know the pedigree of this horse:
    http://offtrackthoroughbreds.com/201...-7-foot-walls/



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    Quote Originally Posted by Elles View Post
    Does anyone know the pedigree of this horse:
    http://offtrackthoroughbreds.com/201...-7-foot-walls/
    He's the last Ilion on PedigreeQuery.
    http://www.pedigreequery.com/ilion11

    Mostly old and now extinct USA breeding.

    He does have Rock Sand, a great jumping line, and Peter Pan, also great jumpers for generations. Peter Pan's dam, Cinderella (not to be confused with Hastings's dam Cinderella), seems to have been a good source of the jump. Tail female to the Alexander Mare of 1790 and by Hermit, also a noted jumping line--now extinct as a sire line.

    Sire's tail female is still very much alive.

    Tail female to Diana, a very influential mare and very early import.

    You still occasionally see horses with Von Tromp, usually, IIRC, through his daughter Bramble Rose.
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    Thank you Viney!
    Those bloodlines also make me think of Quarter horses. You tend to see quite a bit of Ben Brush in QH's.



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    The sire I Am was a half brother of Intent, a line that has had a very good sport reputation for eons. Intent was a son of War Relic and is just about the only living Matchem line left in the world today by way of Intent's son Intentionally. The sire's tail female, IIRC, has always been one of the strongest TB female families (Woodbine, Honeysuckle, Beeswing), and its American branch through Cherokee Rose happens to be Terlingua's tail female.

    Back in the day before the WB invasion, there were quite few high quality QH jumpers. Mac Cone, the Canadian Olympian from Memphis, Tenn, started his career on one.
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    That is a surprise, QH jumpers!?



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    Many of them were Appendixes. There are several in Dr. Birdsall's books.

    There was one named Texas who was a puissance specialist.
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    fascinating as always - I remember Texas's fame
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    Do you know the pedigree of "Texas'?



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    Quote Originally Posted by Elles View Post
    Do you know the pedigree of "Texas'?
    http://sporthorse-data.com/d?i=10486016
    This is the pedigree in Dr. Birdsall.
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    Thank you Viney! That says a lot: http://sporthorse-data.com/d?i=10486015&z=iqOuC6



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    Ben Brush's son Sweep is in a rather large number of pedigrees in Dr. Birdsall. But he WAS War Admiral's dam sire and his daughter, Brushup, is out of a Bathing Girl daughter, so there are jumping genes from Fair Play and from the damline as well.

    Broomstick by Ben Brush is also in a large number of Birdsall pedigrees.
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    It is a shame that there are no other more recent writers that write about TB bloodlines in sport horse breeding like Mr. Birdsall did.


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    The problem that is faced--and I have thought about doing it--, is that we do not have a one horse/one number requirement in the United States. Many owners immediately change their new horses' names for various reasons, savory or unsavory. Many also lose the import passports and the breeding and previous competition results. We also don't have reliable ways to link registries to horses and horses to results. Horses aren't required to have permanent IDs, except for TB tattoos, and changes of ownership are not mandated to go through registries the way the AQHA does. If you followed the thread on the H/J forum, there was an FEI horse imported from Holland, IIRC. Her name was changed immediately for registration in the USEF as an event horse. She was sold into Hunterland and her name was immediately changed and she was registered for a new number with the USEF and her competition history vanished. After the new owners got caught, the old number was restored. Then she was sold again immediately and the name changed. It seems that in the USEF database, you can find the competition history only with the most recent name, so if you don't know that, you're screwed. Once you have the new name, you can get the USEF ID number and then search results. There is now a USEF rule for a single lifetime USEF number, but it is not enforced and the USEF doesn't use the UELN that comes with imported horses.
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    Yes, I see the problem!
    I am writing on a German forum at the moment (an eventing forum) and it is a bit sobering to find out how not so pro TB people in general are there!



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    Germany, like Holland, doesn't have a large number of TBs breeding and racing and needing new careers afterwards. So the Germans just don't have experience with TBs.
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    But compared to us in Holland they have much more TB's. But of course Holland is a tiny country and Germany is much bigger.



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    Quote Originally Posted by Elles View Post
    But compared to us in Holland they have much more TB's. But of course Holland is a tiny country and Germany is much bigger.
    IIRC, and I'm probably not, there were something like 789 TB foals registered in Germany the last year I looked. Just did some research, and a 2011 article says less than 1000 in 2010 and probably in the 800s in 2012. Compared to over 30,000 WBs. German racing and breeding uses up pretty much all German TBs.
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    I can not imagine that in my country, the Netherlands, more then 50 thoroughbreds are being bred. We only have one race track in the country. Most people hardly ever get to see a TB horse.



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