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  1. #761
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    Quote Originally Posted by findeight View Post
    Matter of public record (although a little hard to dig up). Summer of 2011, 2 horses, 2 shows, 2 positives, a few weeks apart. He did a sort of mea culpa and blamed a newish road barn employee who was fired. But it really got everybody's attention.

    Hard to remember anybody else of that stature coming up with two positives in that time frame and, IMO, somewhat unfortunate timing he has two magazine covers the same year as he served the suspension (IIRC he was off spring 2012 on on the covers fall 2012).

    Part of the problem is USEF moves glacially slow for whatever reason (time off real job, leaving the barn, buying stagecoach tickets etc). The positive comes in pretty quick but the hearing takes at least 6 months to schedual, sometimes gets postponed and any diciplinary action like a suspension is not immediate to give them time to make arrangements for their clients. Typically be nearly a year between the violation and the actual time off.

    Anyway, it's kind of hard for the rank and file to follow sometimes. Or even be aware of.
    I agree with your post, except for the phrase, "time off". That indicates that the trainer is taking a vacation. Let's call it what it really is (or should be): punishment for breaking the drug rules.
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    Quote Originally Posted by findeight View Post
    You can also Google if you have the patience. If you do have a basic time frame, you can go back in USEF records and find details of hearing findings and penalties. But there is NO index, you have to know when the USEF hearing was held. No idea about now that it's online but used to take 3 to 4 months between the hearing and the publication in the back of the magazine.
    In an effort to suggest contributions to a solution:

    Yes, the USEF ought to choose the "make it possible/easy to find D&M rules infringers" strategy. If they changed nothing else, this bit alone would help it appear to stand by it's mission.

    This might be a bone thrown to the Powers That Be who currently exploit the light punishments imposed. They can bet on clients not caring or bothering to do their research. IMO, this is what trainers do now. But they can know, too, that the GOB supports the smarter potential client who wants that information. Since no one knows how much any of we HOs wants or seeks out that information currently, it might work as a proposal that makes its supporters look like advocates of clean sport without actually risking anything, should they believe their clients don't know/care about the drugging they do.

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    Quote Originally Posted by findeight View Post
    On the number of top level Hunters and their longevity? I honestly don't think there are that many horses who can really get to the top level and stay there. Not really anything nefarious in that. Or in a horse not doing as well in a new home, there is a possibility it's that actual riding/training ability thing and not just the drugs wearing off as so many assume. Not EVERYbody is corrupt.

    Remember the top dawgs get picked off by Ammies and Juniors to dwell in 3'6" land...or even 3' land.
    I think showing in the A/Os or the Juniors would still qualify a hunter as showing at an upper level of their discipline. Lyle was brought up as an example of such a horse. It does seem like Grand Prix jumpers often have longer careers than the top hunters and they are doing something way more physically taxing.


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    Add me to the list who thinks that the USEF should keep drug infraction/rule infraction records in a manner that is searchable and easy to find. MyssMyst is correct, right now there is no good way to find out the details about any particular trainer unless you are already "in the loop" and know people you can quietly ask for recommendations and information, unless the trainer has been blatant in their behavior.

    I also think that the USEF could find a way to help educate owners and riders about the issue. As an owner or rider, you have the right to ask your trainer EXACTLY what your horse or the horse you are riding is being given. And I mean exactly, not "something to relax his muscles after the long trailer ride, a special nutritional supplement, and some vitamins and minerals." Nutritional supplements and vitamins and minerals" sounds so innocuous, but that could encompass a wide variety of substances including GABA and magnesium. Owners and riders need to know that.



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    I think the reason the GP horses may have a longer career is, at least, two fold. One is their pre show exercise it based in dressage/warm up/loosen up not exercise until exhausted. The goal with a high level jumper is rideability and relaxation, not fatique.
    At most shows they jump three classes, maximum - not the usual hunter fare of a warm up and double division. The exception being Olympic and World Games where they may jump several more rounds.
    Not to appear arrogant but at the GP level there is generally a higher skill level in terms of the rider which in turn is easier on the horse.
    This is not to say that those who jump the GP are squeaky clean either.
    I wish there were an easy answer. I'm afraid returning to the "run and jump" style of yore might send many riders to the tennis court.
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    I'd like to propose not just the D&M violations be made available in an easier to use format, I want to see ALL administrative actions and penalties.

    Really, if I am looking to use a trainer for my 12 year old DD who, turns out, stormed into the judges booth and threw a chair at them? And several years earlier took a swing at a steward? Might influence my decision, ya think?

    Or maybe I am looking to buy a 6 year old Green Hunter and find out the seller has multiple penalties over the last 10 years for misrepresentation?

    Or, my favorite, that smooth talking trainer trying to take my horse on the circuit has a stack of violations and has been kicked out for several years. Which is why nobody seems to know him now that he is back and on the opposite coast from where he was previously.

    On the other hand, if somebody has a single D&M violation for a legal substance (in proper amounts and time frame) with no further occurances? Probably keep them in consideration. Mistakes do happen and timing can be screwed up.

    All of this can be a total surprise to both newbies to our sport and even veterans who just were not aware. All it would take is a software modification to let USEF and USHJA members actually do the research USEF and USHJA suggest when selecting a horse professional. Research of records long made public.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lord Helpus View Post

    Talk about drugs. Put up posters in the stabling area. Get the riders on the side of riding a clean horse. [Try to] run a campaign in which owners/riders sign a pledge to only own/ride drug free horses.
    The marketer in me can see an entire scare campaign:
    - A kid in jods holding the reins of a dropped pony with the trainer standing dumbfounded, needle in hand, ribbons in back pocket.
    - An ammie's splayed out body in the dirt after the horse dropped mid-jump with others waving their ribbons by the in-gate.
    - USEF drug testers slapping trainers on the wrist, post-positive test (wait, that one might not work)
    - Of course, once the campaign has nearly run its course, the last images would show a severely broken down horse in a stall with some ridiculously low number of candles in a birthday cake, his ribbon quilt displayed behind him...

    Yeah, that'd be a fun campaign.
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    While I'm not saying they deserve any less of our frustrations, it must be remembered that USHJA & USEF are not one and the same. USEF suspended SS, USHJA put him on the magazine's cover. The oversight is not as egregious as it initially sounds, nor is it particularly excusable.

    USHJA is our tool to influence USEF. And while I know it's not perfect, there are several committee members that recognize these problems and are working to fix them. I don't know what kind of D&M authority we could wrestle from USEF but it looks as though perhaps we should try and gain some. Maybe USHJA can slap further fines & penalties on the offenders so USEF doesn't have to deal with rewriting the rules for our special circumstances, but USEF would have to agree to recognize the bans.

    In re: GP horses mysteriously going strong in their late teens while the 13 y.o. 3' hunter is practically shunned from the show ring: I recently presented several seminars at EAP Finals to the Finalists of the USHJA Horsemanship Quiz Challenge, who were also in attendance. My talk focused on exactly this subject - responsibility for the horse's welfare beyond the prime show years of 8-12, and why, perhaps, hunters don't hold up as long. We discussed what the judges are looking for and how that affects "prep". We discussed alternatives to LTDing, and we talked about being proactive in getting your horse ready to show; ie, not just showing up and riding your class. We talked about the breeders, starters & trainers that worked hard to get the horse to show age, and the generous people that will eventually take the retired show horse on.

    My aim was to impress upon these kids that the way they manage their horse now is key to a safe future once it ages. The longer the horse is sound and useful, the more likely it will have a safe place in society. And what it endures during those "prime show years" greatly impacts its long term soundness.

    Much to my surprise, though I had kids from 2'6" hunters to 1.40m jumpers, I don't think I had one "hunter princess" that only showed up and rode. They all managed their own horses at the shows and they were all able to discuss their horse's quirks and how they went about preparing them. Given that this is a non-riding opportunity from USHJA, making it one of the more affordable programs to pursue, I hypothesize that we didn't have the upper-echelons of the A Circuit in attendance, where it has apparently become mandatory your horse resemble a robot. But nonetheless, it was inspiring to see these kids give the discussion a great deal of thought, and then get excited about new ideas to get their horse's brains ready to show without running their legs off... or worse.

    I have previously suggested a full-blown Clean Sport promotion campaign... it didn't get much wind back then, but the eagerness of these young kids to learn has really inspired me to believe that if we act now there might be a chance to save the next generation of horsemen.
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    I did not mean it was fun to watch the fate of the horse or buyer but the whole process, as it is very common repeat practice. We have all made tons of mistakes and ignore the signals. Many buyers come to WEF to buy the winners and they go home to find a different horse. It is not always the training as someone else suggested.



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    Quote Originally Posted by CBoylen View Post
    Very. Especially for an important show like Devon. Most people keep a regular adequan schedule and use legend show-by-show, but for a show like that you would adjust your adequan schedule if necessary to get the peak effect. And some of those that don't usually double their legend for regular shows do so for Devon.
    And no one thinks that this might be a problem?

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    Could the USEF ban as doping and not therapeutic any off label use of a drug? They won't, but would that be feasible? One would have to either pre-file a medication use statement (per FEI) or show a pre-existing vet diagnosis for any substance found in testing. This would mean "guilty until proven innocent."
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ambitious Kate View Post
    I know I am not the only one who would like an explaination from the mods as to why a poster is allowed to continue posting lawsuit threats to other posters on this board. She's been banned before. Why is she allowed to threaten people on this board in subsequent usernames?

    While she is, confusingly, allowed to post, frankly, I think EM should keep right on digging herself into a pit, rather than heed other's advice to stop digging and posting, not only because watching her self destruct is just so highly entertaining, but that she deserves everything she heaps upon herself. I think the more of a spectacle she creates, the more attention will come to the matter, and the more USEF will be (should be, will have to be)embarrased to have not held her responsible for her behaviour and what happened. I think if her acting out publicly makes the rest of the horse world insist USEF be held accountable for their part in the mess of drugging and injecting and using inappropriate meds during competition, then EM digging herself into a hole plays an important part in that, and should be encouraged to post online and lie as much as possible.
    Might have something to do with the rumors about a lawsuit against COTH? Letting her post here is giving her enough rope to hang herself with.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ruby G. Weber View Post
    I think one reason the GP horses may have a longer career is, at least, two fold. One is their pre show exercise it based in dressage/warm up/loosen up not exercise until exhausted. The goal with a high level jumper is rideability and relaxation, not fatique.
    At most shows they jump three classes, maximum - not the usual hunter fare of a warm up and double division. The exception being Olympic and World Games where they may jump several more rounds.
    Not to appear arrogant but at the GP level there is generally a higher skill level in terms of the rider which in turn is easier on the horse.
    This is not to say that those who jump the GP are squeaky clean either.
    I wish there were an easy answer. I'm afraid returning to the "run and jump" style of yore might send many riders to the tennis court.
    Spot on Ruby W - spot ON. Spending years at shows or IN shows, the warm up routine for jumpers a WHOLE lot different that the warm up routine of most hunters - top level jumpers (oh, let's start with A/O jumpers) - out getting flatted - lots of dressage work, perhaps even a dressage RIDER doing to pre-work. Flex, shorten, lengthen, stretch then repeat, transitions, repeat. HUNTER warm ups? Rare pro or junior out early actually riding - if so, then lots of just trot trot trot - more likley? - able stable or not so able stable hand out lunging lunging lunging lunging - or, as we all are discussing - drugging drugging drugging. Oh the tales braiders could tell of those late night visits for a stick or two. In this case and in others, the sticks rather prominently in the daytime.
    And agree with the number of classes and also, the slow ramp up to top level GP horse - they are mostly in their tweens - now, they are jumping 1.60 but still -
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    Someone asked for an easier way to examine whether someone has been sanctioned/censured/fined/penalized/whatever word is appropriate.

    I've been compiling a list of Hearing Committee Rulings dating back for the past 5 years. I'll start posting them here.

    The people whose names are listed below are listed in the (related) Hearing Committee Ruling for that month. They may be sanctioned due to their own actions (e.g. trainer with D&M violations, exhibitor failure to pay fees, etc) or due to their ownership of a horse involved in a violation (e.g. they as owner have to repay winnings, for example). Or they may have consented to a plea agreement with USEF.

    February 2008
    TWIN LAKES FARM, INC.
    CALVIN MCDONALD
    DANIEL DEUSSER
    HEATHER HARGETT A/K/A HEATHER WILLIAMS
    CLASSIC COMPANY, LTD.
    LINDA SAUTTER
    ANDRES RODRIGUEZ

    March 2008
    KIMBERLY BRUNSON
    ELLEN SKRAK
    TRUDY GLEFKE
    JONATHAN SORESI

    April 2008 and May 2008 (these got merged somehow on my spreadsheet – sorry; you can find people in one)
    CARLY LAURIELLO
    STACY NICHOLS
    DORETTA UMNUHS
    PATTI FELKER-BREINER
    MICHAEL MELLER
    JILL BROWN
    SANDY SKAFGAARD
    BENJAMIN ROSICHAN
    JANE SMYLIE and DAVID ALLEMBY
    CYNTHIA BRICKLEY
    MICHAEL D. CINTAS
    CHRISTOPHER J. VERKLEEREN
    CARYL SPECTOR
    THOMAS C. HERN, JR.
    TAMMY HAWKEY
    KENNY LAYMON
    LIONIEL FERREIRA
    MELISSA MOORE
    THOMAS C. HERN, JR.
    ANNIE MAGILL
    KARA TEDESCHI
    MARY BETH MCGEE
    JAMES NORTH
    NICOLE HARRINGTON
    ASHLEY COLONEL
    MANUELA REYNOLDS

    June 2008
    EVA LOPEZ
    CHRISTA CARSON
    SARA KELLER
    ELIZABETH WALTMAN
    PAUL TURNER
    DAN FLOWERS
    WENDY KLAZENGA
    KEVIN LENEHAN
    DONIDA FARM
    BARBARA PETTI
    GEORGE DAVENPORT
    EVA MIRIAM LONGO
    JIM SPURRIER
    KIMBERLY LITTRELL
    SUSAN KOUSSOURIS
    LINDA COYLE
    BILL AND NANCY BECKER
    CARLOS ALBERTO SIERRA
    SHELLEY BULLARD
    ROBIN HARICK

    July/August 2008

    HUMBERTO REYES
    NORTHEAST REGIONAL HORSE SHOWS, LLC
    MICHELE BREMER
    JEAN AND BRUCE BECKMAN
    JANET ROSE
    JOHN MONETTI
    CHARLES MCDANIEL
    OX RIDGE CHARITY HORSE SHOW MANAGEMENT
    MARILYN LITTLE
    RAYLYN FARM
    HEATHER MAYFIELD
    OHIO EXPOSITIONS COMISSION

    September 2008
    WILLIAM CLARK
    LESLIE STEELE
    BRITTANY LUNNEY
    LAURA REED
    WENDY WERGELES
    KATHERINE DESANTIS
    CORNERSTONE FARM
    STEVEN JENKINS
    ROBERT DEVORE
    LAURA WOOD
    SOPHIE KOCH

    October 2008
    DEBORAH DAVIES
    JOHN WHITE
    SANDRA SARAN
    K-LYN STABLE
    LISA JO WHITE
    STREETT MOORE
    AMY NICHOLS
    GAY (GARY) PETERSON
    JOLEE HILLER
    MANDY LOCKETT
    LAURA BAKER
    LAUREN SPARAGA
    STEVEN TURILLI
    LESLEY COX
    LAURINE BARRIERA
    HILLARY WATKINS
    CAPITAL CHALLENGE PARNTERSHIP
    LAURIE STATAM
    JOCELYN HAMMAN
    HILARY MENDEGUIA
    OAKLEIGH, INC.
    SWAN LAKE STABLES INC.
    CAROLYN HOCK

    NOVEMBER 2008
    GEORGE SHAWN AGUEL
    AMELIE PERRIER
    KARL BEYER
    THE GALLOPING FIELD
    GABRIELLE MCGEE

    DECEMBER 2008/JANUARY 2009
    WILLIAM COONEY
    ANNE SPEISER
    JEANINE CASH ZUCKERMAN
    DOLORES SWANN
    DAWN DORRANCE
    CAROL COWAN
    TONY DIAMOND
    ASHLEY BINA

    FEBRUARY/MARCH 2009
    LOUISE SERIO
    BRYAN BALDWIN
    GONZALO TOMAYO
    HEATHER DRUMMOND
    CHRISTOPHER KERR
    BOBBIE KERR
    ANGELA LAWRENCE
    LISA ZARZECZNY
    JAMES TUCKER
    SOUTHWEST MISSOURI ARABIAN HORSE CLUB
    JENNIFER LE ROY
    DAVID OLIYNYK
    OLGA WALKER
    GINA GATES
    LINDSAY ANN MOSS
    CARRIE SORTOR
    ANDREA SCOTT-KNIGHT
    SHARON EDWARDS
    DORI OSBORNE
    NORTHEAST REGIONAL HORSE SHOWS, LTD.
    KRISTINE STACK
    UPHA CHAPTER V
    MATHEW AND TANYA BURKE
    STACY BAILEY
    FRANK KUZMIN
    LOYD “BUCKY” BRANNON
    JAN TOPS
    WILLIAM POSTEL
    RENEE BIERLY
    HUNTER FARMS
    CRICKET CLARK
    JOE THORPE
    LAURA ROBERTSON
    LAUREL RIDGE SPORT HORSES LLC
    CARLA JOHNSON
    DONALD STEWART JR.
    GABBY SLOME
    JACK BENSON
    DIANE SAMBOLA
    SCOTT NUNNALLY

    APRIL 2009
    LIZ (ELIZABETH) SCHUMANN
    JAMES GENTLEMAN
    PATO MUENTE
    AGUSTIN ROSALES
    BREE CHANDLER
    JANE SMYLIE
    MICHELE PESTL

    MAY 2009
    RACHE ROCK ROBINSON
    JUSTIN RESNIK
    HORSE ON COURSE EQUESTRIAN CENTER INC.
    LANCE WILLIAMSON
    SANDRA WOLF
    CARYN EAREHART
    EQUINE PRODUCTIONS, INC. AND TOMMY MCINTYRE
    MARYANN MEINERS
    KEVIN PETITGOUT
    DIANNA STANGER
    WOLF POINT RANCH, LLC.
    JEAN BUDDIN

    JUNE 2009
    MARK LANG
    SIMONE KESSLER
    ERIKA NESLER
    CARLY ARBITMAN
    AMANDA SZADYR
    KARYN SZADYR
    HEATHER HARDMAN
    SHERILYN NASSER
    AMELIA NASSER
    SUMMERLYN NASSER
    CHARLES MCCALLISTER
    JAYNE TRAINOR AND HORSIN’ TOGS, LLC
    GUY KAPLIN
    LAURIE ALLINGER
    DAVID GERSH
    KIM LAND
    PINETREE PONIES
    BOB (ROBERT) PHILLIPS
    LOUIS NOVAK
    VIRGINIA HORSE CENTER

    JULY/AUGUST 2009
    DAVID BILGRIEN
    WENDY ARNDT-HODGES & EQUESTRIAN CENTER
    JACK BENSON
    J. MICHAEL KIERKEGAARD

    SEPTEMBER 2009
    CAROL BISHOP
    LARRY (DAVID) GLEFKE
    BENJAMIN WATSON
    KIRSTEN PRIEBE
    PAUL KEENAN
    CHRISTINE BRUCE
    ROBERT LE DONNE
    MARGARET PASCALE
    LUCAS KLINE
    LAUREN SMITH
    DALE BROWN
    DANA CALLAWAY

    OCTOBER 2009
    MICHAELLE GARDEN

    NOVEMBER 2009
    DOROTHY MAXFIELD
    EMER COYNE
    HILLARY WATKINS
    MIGUEL NOY

    DECEMBER 2009/JANUARY 2010
    WENDI SCHNITTJER
    MICHAEL NEWMAN
    KAREN NEWMAN
    AUBREY HILL FARM
    JEAN KINSELLA
    MELANIE GARDY
    KATHERINE DESANTIS
    BOBBY BURGESS AND STOCKWOODS SADDLEBREDS
    PAMELA OTIS
    JESSICA SMITH
    HEATHER MAYFIELD
    NORMAN DELLO JOIO

    FEBRUARY/MARCH 2010
    RUSSELL LEE
    RODNEY ECKENRODE
    JOHN RYAN
    LISA POWELL
    BRIAN WISK
    KENNETH AND SUSAN KNIPE
    MONTELEONE PARTNERSHIP
    W. RYAN DUNN
    MARK ROCHESTER
    ALISON GIESCHEN
    ALICE HANN
    KIMBERLY HANN
    ERIN ELIZABETH SEEDS
    ANITA DEARAGON
    CHRISTY MCHENRY
    CAROLINE SEARCY
    CORINA CLARK
    SARAH JENKINSON
    PERRI FISHER
    GUY RODAS
    ERIKA NESLER
    WHIDBEY ISLAND PONY CLUB
    KARIN BISHOP
    JOANNA HERRIGSTAD

    APRIL 2010
    GARY MCDONALD

    MAY 2010
    JENNIFER ROBERTS
    LORI BENNETT
    ASHLEIGH CLAIRE BENNETT
    LYNN CLAIRE LLP
    SARAH-JANE FRANKLIN
    TRACIE RUPERT

    JUNE 2010
    NICOLE IMBRIGLIO
    JEANNETTE GREELEY
    KATHLEEN KOPP
    DARYL GLAZER
    JASON KELLEY

    (to be continued)


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    That is great list, but it also would be nice to know why they are on the Hearing Committee Rulings list.


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    Pony Penny - it's easy to look up.

    Go to www.usef.org.

    Click on "Rules & Regulations" (on the left navigation).

    Select your year.

    Select your hearing.

    Download the PDF.

    Read.



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    (This info is all available online but in non-OCR-friendly PDFs - and there is no index...d'oh)



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    Some of the more “colorful” reported violations:
    From Dec 2009/January 2010:
    The Committee Members present received and accepted a plea agreement tendered pursuant to Chapter 6, GR617, wherein MICHAEL NEWMAN, KAREN NEWMAN, and AUBREY HILL FARM of Pace, FL, violated Chapter 9, GR907.3, Chapter 11, GR1102, GR1105, and GR1107, and Rule HP127 (2008 Rules) of this Federation, in that MICHAEL NEWMAN, KAREN NEWMAN, and AUBREY HILL FARM applied for a recording for the pony, Short Story, although the pony already had a recording number under a different name; failed to advise the Federation of the name change from Saltwood Cecily to Short Story; had Short Story re-measured (as small) although there was already a permanent measurement for the same pony under the name Saltwood Cecily (as medium); allowed Short Story to be shown in the Small Green Pony Hunter and Small Pony Hunter divisions during the 2008 competition year although the pony’s permanent measurement was medium; and misrepresented the pony’s identity, age, and height on entry blanks during the 2007 and 2008 competition year.
    Anyone want to guess at what the penalty was for this? No cheating by looking at the hearing report!



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    Were they whipped with a wet noodle? Just kidding


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    One month suspension.....after they allegedly re-measured a pony improperly, renamed it, showed it in shows it wasn't eligible in, and lied about its age/height/name/ID, etc., for TWO YEARS.


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