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    There is stil much work to be done on the consolidation, but both sides seem to be working together to achieve the goal.

    Hopefully, USA Eq will post the diagrams for the proposed restructuring on their web site (as they usually do) so everyone can see it for themselves.

    Though I missed the Thursday meeting, I believe one of the real problems with the NHJC is the distinction between the national discipline -- hunters -- and the international discipline -- jumpers.

    It was interesting at the board meeting yesterday. Larry Langer and the NHJC proposed a new rule that would allow relatives of judges to show in the jumpers at the same show in which their judge/relative was officiating in the hunters. In the course of arguing for that rule change, LL said that there was no chance for a conflict of interest because "the jumpers are an entirely different world from the hunters, even though they're at the same show" (or words to exactly that effect). Alan Balch jumped on that one, because at the Thursday board meeting the NHJC people had strenuously argued that it was impossible to split the hunters from the jumpers in the organizational structure because they are inextricably intertwined!
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    that is too funny Portia
    Nothing says "I love you" like a tractor. (Clydejumper)

    The reports states, “Elizabeth reported that she accidently put down this pony, ........, at the show.”



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    The issues with the NHJC were that when discussing the separation of the jumpers they said they were impossible to separate but then at the last meeting the jumper issue suddenly was not related to the NHJC issues. In the first case it was in their interest to want the jumpers in the latter it was convenient to be separated from the jumpers.

    There seemed to be a great difference in the attitudes from the beginning of the convention to the end of the convention and a lot of conflicts re:jumper rules. Somehow Article 214.7 which applies to our hunter shows got lumped in with the jumper changes and in effect it would have immediately disposed of all the Rated Hunter Shows and opened the door to an A Show everywhere that anyone wanted one at any time. A 2nd change was sponsored by someone from Port Jervis at the New Hope Stable. (Forget the name right now).

    The Hunter Committees apparently were not contacted and the Larry Langer seemed unaware of the importance of this change. Fortunately for us Alan Balch was conscious of the implications and Bill Roos was asked to explain. He stated that this rule change would effectively destroy the mileage rule and rating systems for all hunter shows. At this point Alan Balch saved us all from the ultimate chaos.

    No budget was approved by the Board of Directors for the NHJC because they failed to submit any budget. The other strange conflict was that although I was given a financial statement from Zone 2 by Leo Conroy (this first one in 15 years) Later at the NHJC Meetings Larry Langer claimed that it was not possible for them to give any Financial statements to anyone by order of the USAEq, that the USAEq Treasurer was the only one who sent these statments to the Zone Committees. This is denied by the USAEq and they say the Zones are to have and submit financial statements.


    My personal feeling about my Zone was total shock and amazement. While I purposely arranged my schedule to attend my Zone Meeting in expectation that Tom Struzzeri would keep his word to me that if there were 5 other show managers who agreed the correction to the contiguous state rule which leaves New Jersey out of the loop would be amended. I knew that this was confirmed and Larry Langer contacted me about some minor changes in the terminology of the correction to which I gladly agreed and fully expected this was to be completed at the convention.

    You can imagine my shock when I arrived just a few minutes after 8 AM and before I could even be greeted by anyone I was informed that they had already had the financial report discussion and handed me a copy of the financial report this was then followed by what I felt was a rather beligerent attitude from Mr.Struzzeri announcing that Zone 2 Committee had taken a vote and were all unanimously opposed to the change for New Jersey.

    I also inquired how many members total had attended all of the 5 meetings held by the Zone 2 Committee and was informed that less than a 100 had been present at all the meetings combined. Since we have over 6000 members they knew I felt this was too small a percentage to represent anything and he retorted to my unasked question that it was quite normal for this to be the most that were involved to make a consensus.

    I personally was appalled that the Zone 2 Committee would or could have had a meeting without notice to decide an issue so important to New Jersey without notifying me or giving me any opportunity to defend my point of view and particularly since I had made the effort to drive to Rhinebeck and meet with Mr. Struzzerri in his offices and was promised something totally different.

    I was asked if I now planned to withdraw my rule change proposal and I said no! and that I planned to bring it back every year that I was alive until this situation was corrected.

    Fortunately, the Board of Directors realized that this decision was self serving from people who were in competition with shows in New Jersey and we will have another opportunity to negotiate a better solution by order of the USAEq Board.

    I think this exemplifies exactly what is wrong with the NHJC and why it cannot represent the needs or interests of their members. Perhaps, other zones are not as arrogant and unaccountable as Zone 2 but the system in place is deeply flawed and must be corrected.

    On the good news, The USAEq has appointed a committee to "Reach-Out" to the hunter members. They will hopefully find a solution so that we are represented on our zone committees from all levels and interests.

    The Marketing Committee also has created a "Sunshine Committee" of which I am pleased to be a member and our purpose is to seek ways to correct perspections so that we will have a "Member Friendly" association.

    [This message was edited by Snowbird on Jan. 14, 2002 at 04:59 PM.]



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    The Marketing Committee also has created a "Sunshine Committee"

    egads! who came up with the name?
    Nothing says "I love you" like a tractor. (Clydejumper)

    The reports states, “Elizabeth reported that she accidently put down this pony, ........, at the show.”



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    It's a "Sunshine Task Force" and it came out of the Marketing Meeting. I honestly don't remember who conceived the title. I think we were just so pleased to have the ooportunity to work on something that would make our association member friendly that we just jumped in. Susan Lucas is also on the committee.



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    The Legal Review Committee endorsed the Rulebook Reoganization Project, we have officially formed the nucleous of the Ad Hoc Rulebook Reorganization Committee, with representatives from Legal Review, Legislative (rules), Licensed Officials (since Stewards and Judges have to enforce the rules), and some of the breed orgs who just want to help out -- and the very able help of the USA Eq staff. [img]/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif[/img]

    Alan Balch announced it yesterday at the Board Meeting and made it official. [img]/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif[/img] [img]/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif[/img] [img]/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif[/img] Now we just have to finish the work on it! [img]/infopop/emoticons/icon_eek.gif[/img] [img]/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif[/img]
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    re "Sunshine Task Force"

    I respectfully submit that members might consider a name-change
    Nothing says "I love you" like a tractor. (Clydejumper)

    The reports states, “Elizabeth reported that she accidently put down this pony, ........, at the show.”



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    S, "sunshine" committees or task forces have a long history in the legislative field, so it's an accepted phrase. It is meant to indicate finding ways to "shine light into corners" where things have previously been done in the shadows and less than publicly. Right to Know legislation is often referred to as "sunshine laws." [img]/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif[/img]
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    Portia, how nice a definition. I really can identify with that because that's what I've been trying to do all along with our Right to Know Rule Change.

    I didn't realize the history of it but yes! you're right, Hummm! that does broaden my job.

    By the way it's really nice now that I have face to go with the name. Everyone is really pleased that you have taken on a job that was so desperately needed to be done. Under your definition you are also a member of our task force because you will unravel the mystery of our rule book and we will all be able to understand the rules at last. No dark corners will be left. I really did enjoy meeting both Portia and Weatherford at the Convention. Last year just one, this year 3, so next year maybe a dozen will find time to join us at the convention.



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    When I first joined the BB, Portia was initially struggling with the Rulebook. Although the job is far from finish, here is round of applause for Portia.



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    Thanks Snowbird and Marianne. [img]/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif[/img] It was nice meeting Snowbird and Lucassb in person, finally!

    The Rulebook reorganization got strong support in the Legal Review Committee meeting.

    One person, a long-time steward but not on the committee, basically said the project was doomed and unnecessary because "none of the members ever read the rulebook anyway." He said it would "take years to complete" and I would be subject to "unrelenting ridicule" (his words) when it is complete, but he had not seen the materials we have already prepared and I don't think understood what we are really doing. We did agree, however, that stewards should be involved in the process, and there are two women stewards who cross a lot of breeds and disciplines who volunteered to participate.

    A big concern was that we would "re-write the rules" and in the process lose a lot of their meaning in trying to improve them. That is absolutely what we do not want to do. The plan is to create a template structure and reorganize and restructure, and yes in some cases reword, the General Rules in Part II of the Rulebook. Then, we will give the template, and advice as needed and requested, to the various breeds and disciplines, and let them reorganize their own rules in Part III of the book. They are the ones who know what their rules really mean and are intended to accomplish, and we're not going to begin to presume that we know better!
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    Although Peg is not on the BB she is one of us and she has done a great job with reforming things in Zone 10.

    Don't worry Portia, there are always some who resist any kind of change and believe improvement is impossible.

    Fortunately times have changed and there is a new wind blowing. I really felt the changes in all the attitudes at this convention and it was refreshing.



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    For Immediate Release January 17, 2002
    Contact: Sarah Holt, (859) 225-6974, sholt@equestrian.org
    Marty Bauman, (508) 698-6810, uset.pr@verizon.net
    Joanna Smith, (908) 234-1251, jsmith@uset.org

    USA Equestrian and U.S. Equestrian Team Move Toward Consolidation

    Gladstone, NJ and Lexington, KY-January 17, 2002-USA Equestrian and the United States Equestrian Team (USET) took a major step toward resolving the sport?s governance issue when, in separate meetings on January 10, both organizations approved the general structure of consolidation into a new non-profit organization that would serve as the new National Governing Body (NGB) for equestrian sport.

    The USET Board of Trustees and the Federation Board of Directors approved the framework of the new NGB, which would comprise three operating divisions - International, National and Administrative. The plan also calls for the establishment of a Foundation whose exclusive purpose would be to raise funds to support the international high performance activities of the NGB.

    The Boards of the two organizations authorized their officers and the two negotiating teams to proceed with the process of working out details and drafting by-laws for the new NGB. It is hoped that a final plan will be presented to the Boards and voting memberships for final approval sometime in the spring.

    ?I am extremely pleased with the votes to move forward,? said the Federation President Alan F. Balch. ?The negotiating teams from both organizations worked extremely hard to put aside selfish interests and develop a plan that is in the sport?s best interest and they are to be commended for their success in doing that.?

    ?This is a great step forward for our sport,? said USET President Dr. Armand Leone, Jr. ?While there is still much work to do, we have now reached a position where animosity has been removed from the equation, allowing us to focus our attention on our main job, namely working on behalf of all those involved in equestrian sports and preparing our athletes for international competition.?

    ENDS



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    John S. has a good explanation, including charts of the proposed structure of the new organizaiton, in this week's "In the Country. Here's the direct link:

    In the Country re NGB Resolution
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    it occurs to me that this is an extremely good deal for the USET.

    There is a very good chance that it will be able to control the board through the athlete representatives and the international division trustees.

    Or does the term athletes also apply to people who show saddlebreds, walking horses, and Quarter Horses?

    The athlete elections are going to be VERY interesting, even if they don't start until 2005.

    Given the exclusivity and history of the USET, I'm surprised that they got as good a deal as they did.
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    I think it would be a mistake to believe that all, or even the majority, of the athletes (in the Sports Act and USOC Constitution definition of them) supported the USET in this dispute, or that they would contribute to control of the new board in favor of the old USET faction.

    Many of the athletes strongly supported the AHSA/USA Eq. position. Many -- perhaps most -- of the athletes just wanted the dispute to be over so they could get out of the middle of it and the sport could concentrate on development of horses and riders. And my personal belief is that the vast majority will be happy to see the sport develop from a stable foundation with fair and open processes of funding and selection.
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    Vineyridge - I am just waiting to see what happens upon due diligence - which is a requirement for any merger/acquisition.

    I know that when we sold my father's company after his death, we had to go through the hoops in the due diligence process - and ours was only a holding company that had been inactive since 1964!

    So, I am not holding my breath until all the finanicals are out in the open and investigated...

    Of course, the people in power may not be as obstreperous as I am (which is probably a good thing!) [img]/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif[/img]
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    due diligence - is it usually the case that the financials be made public in that process?
    Nothing says "I love you" like a tractor. (Clydejumper)

    The reports states, “Elizabeth reported that she accidently put down this pony, ........, at the show.”



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    Not sure, SGray.

    I do know that a friend of mine just got the LATEST USET FUND RAISER!!!!!

    (What debt? What MERGER? What BUDGET? What negotiations??)

    And don't EVEN get me started describing it further! [img]/infopop/emoticons/icon_mad.gif[/img] [img]/infopop/emoticons/icon_frown.gif[/img] [img]/infopop/emoticons/icon_mad.gif[/img] [img]/infopop/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif[/img] [img]/infopop/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif[/img]

    [This message was edited by Weatherford on Feb. 01, 2002 at 09:29 PM.]
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    <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Bostonian:
    Quote: "Originally posted by Melinda:
    See the report from John Strassburger on location in Charlotte, NC for the latest on the USAEq/USET war.

    See http://www.chronofhorse.com for a full report!"

    "(The NGB staff would be a consolidation of the current USAEq and USET staffs with minor responsibility shifts. It would maintain the USAEq offices in Lexington, Ky.? Columbus, Ohio; and Ithaca, N.Y.; as well as the USET office in Gladstone, N.J.)"

    Anyone know what's happening with the six-figure salary +, ++, and ++++ crowd in Gladstone?!<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

    A recently layed off employee (two days ago) just called my daughter to ask if it was ok to send my husband a resume. As it turns out, six of the back-office employees were let go; the highest paid executives remain. Is anyone surprised?



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