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    Default Astrix and Bretton Woods now licensed for Hanoverian breeding

    Astrix and Bretton Woods were licensed yesterday by the Hanoverian Verband. Details at
    http://www.eurodressage.com/equestri...llion-approval .



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    Is there a running, living document showing who is approved for the various registries?

    It would come in handy when you wanted a pure trakehner (or holstein, or xxx) stallion approved Hanoverian or GOV or what ever. Stallion listings aren't always kept current.



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    I know the Hanoverians and Pldenburgs keep lists on their sites, and so does CWHBA - so I expect most registries do.



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    Can you post that link? I was unable to find it on Havoverian Verband's website. I also sent an email to AHS and they had to send an email to them to get the info I needed on a particular stallion.

    This must be something new within the past few months?



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    Go to the Hanoverian site http://www.hannoveraner.de/
    Click on the English flag, up top.
    Click on "Breeding", up top.
    Look down the left side to "Stallion Directory" - click to open
    Click on the stallion directory link
    When the "stallion distribution plan" page opens, do not put any name in the "Name" slot, just hit "Submit" and a full listing of stallions, with pedigree, testing and other info, will pop up.
    I don't think they will have updated from yesterday though ...



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    The Hanoverian one has been there for awhile. Go to www.hannoveraner.com and look for the stallion directory (under breeding). You can search for individual stallions or if you leave the name area blank (and everything else set to "alle") it will give you the master list.
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    Perfect timing Sunnydays!
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    "Great minds ...." as they say



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    Quote Originally Posted by DownYonder View Post
    Astrix and Bretton Woods were licensed yesterday by the Hanoverian Verband. Details at
    http://www.eurodressage.com/equestri...llion-approval .
    "...Bretton Woods only received KWPN approval because of the exquisite talent for dressage he displayed in the performance test, despite his class C osteochondrosis. The Hanoverian Verband did not object to that health status either and entered the sire in their stallion book...."

    from that article. GREAT :-(
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    The article stated that 11 stallions were approved but only listed the 4 dressage type ones.

    Anyone know the 7 other stallions approved? Or a link to that list?



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    Quote Originally Posted by Sunnydays View Post
    Go to the Hanoverian site http://www.hannoveraner.de/
    Click on the English flag, up top.
    Click on "Breeding", up top.
    Look down the left side to "Stallion Directory" - click to open
    Click on the stallion directory link
    When the "stallion distribution plan" page opens, do not put any name in the "Name" slot, just hit "Submit" and a full listing of stallions, with pedigree, testing and other info, will pop up.
    I don't think they will have updated from yesterday though ...
    GREAT! The only thing it still doesn't do is list stallions that may be have been active in previous years. (Del Piero was the one I was looking for)



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    The following older stallions were licensed.

    431312307708 Stakkato – Kolibri gekört
    Chiron xx DE 406060126301 Valanour xx – Top Ville xx gekört
    Christian DE 4210000081606 Cartani – Lord Liberty gekört
    Bretton Woods NLD003200605902 Johnson – De Niro gekört
    Astrix NLD003200508852 Obelisk – Olivi gekört
    Cum Laude DE 441410452505 Cayetano L – Pilot gekört
    Ratzinger V AUT008161057005 Riccione – Pablo gekört
    Zavall NLD003NL0411187 Casall – Emilion gekört
    Zirocco Blue FRA00104375748B Mr. Blue – Voltaire gekört
    Volonter-T DE 304049181597 Voltaire – Raphael gekört

    Zavall is the first Casall son approved for H.
    Christian http://www.youtube.com/user/alcalare.../0/WuuFkB2Jdis
    Zirocco http://www.youtube.com/user/alcalare.../4/7sKfaUAhUZk

    Comments of someone who was there:
    Zavall, bred interestingly (Casall, Emilion, Corde, Alme, then hanoverian damline). The stallion was jumping with a lot of power in the hindlegs (Sorry do not know how to translate Abdruck) and very good form. He has for sure ability for more. Very nice canter over a lot of room and the other gaits also good enough.

    Zirocco Blue. Very tight in the back, short neck, huuuge feet. tall enough and with good frame overall not too heavy. jumped with a lot of will, temperament and huge ability. gaits not as good as Zavall.

    Volonter a surpirse because he was not know, even though he was supposed to be shown already successfully. Interesting pedigree and very good type with gaits that can be named more than good. licensed, but was not shown over jumps.

    (Volonter he comes from Czeck Republik, licensed there. I check the yearbook and he was shown at some shows in Germany when he was 6 and was placed upto level M which is the highest level a 6yo can compete at. Voltaire - Raphael - Eindruck II - Senator )
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    On the internet lists on the Verband homepage only the activated (fees paid) in the current year stallions appear.

    If one wants to know who is licensed/approved one has to do ones own lists.

    If the name of a special stallion is known one can always ask the owner or check out one or the other database and books that have to be paid for.

    I never had a requirement in the past to find out a which horses of a special breed/color/by a special stallion are licensed/approved with the H Verband - I always start out by seeing a stallion, liking him and than I take care / interest about the licensing and approval status. So I do not have any idea how to obtain such information.
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    Going by the video, I was very much impressed by Franziskus (Fidertanz / Alabaster / Rubinstein). Beautiful type, more ground covering and fluid than some of the aformentioned, and lots of activity in the gaits (and good walk). Also, great to see Ratzinger get approval. A very impressive performer. (As a breeder, I like his lines too (Riccione / Pablo).)



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    What about the hind ends on both Astrix and Bretton Woods? Maybe it's just the video, but I wasn't that impressed with either, especially in the back.
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    Golly Caitlin, neither was I as impressed with Bretton Woods as in previous videos. Gorgeous tall boy, and tons of suspension ... but more "up" than forward, IMO. Something about the back --- I don't have a super educated eye, but....
    I liked Astrix, and thought he looked so rideable with much presence, but Franziskus, previously unknown to me, was my personal favorite of the 3, if looking for forward and light-footed.



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    Um, what about those xrays findings and still getting licensed? Why do I and other breeders spend so much effort staying away from chippy mares and chippy stallions, only to find the latter getting licensed?
    Class 1 "maybe".... but Class 3?
    I get that lots of stallions are operated on before even showing up for licensing, which makes it even harder to really know who is clean and who isnt, but to openly accept Class 3, man oh man.

    Or we agree that chips are really to be judged on a case by case basis, and somehow hope the horse purchasing world in NA anyway, gets more realistic about what is a chip, and how does it or not affect a horse, instead of nixing sales based on OCD.
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    Quote Originally Posted by RedMare01 View Post
    What about the hind ends on both Astrix and Bretton Woods? Maybe it's just the video, but I wasn't that impressed with either, especially in the back.
    Well, that is what is a big discussion between the people I know who were there are are actually quite good breeders and most of them do not really understand what we in hanvoerian breeding need these two with their not really moving backs and strange hind ends. I was not there, have not yet looked at the videos myself.
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    Alexandra or others - was their any commentary about Don Juan de Hus. I liked him a lot better than I expected. Very nicely ridden with a long neck, good connection, and three really nice gaits. I also liked that he had a big canter, not the short up and down canter that some of the other Dutch-bred stallions have. I was suprised he wasn't licensed, but perhaps the Verband wasn't interested in Jazz - Krack C. I will be looking at his foal crop though to start watching as an alternative for German Oldenburg mares instead as an outcross. So far, the Charmeur foals I have seen as another chestnut Dutch stallion with great gaits don't seem to be inheriting his gaits, but have to wait to see two year olds I guess and reserve judgment until then. With Charmeur, you don't know whether he passes more like Florencio or not. At least with Don Juan de Hus, you have Jazz and Krack C, and both while spicy at times, have produced many horses with super gaits. Don Juan seems to be steady for a Jazz son, so hopefully that is likewise true and he might pass on a steadier character as well.

    The Johnson sons seem very much like Johnson himself, the pros and cons, so some like them and some not vis a vis say Bretton Woods or Jack Sparrow. Astrix certainly looks better with his regular rider than he did at the Vechta stallion show, but he is still not for me an exciting stallions to breed too, super competition horse though and hats off for his successes. For that he is probably interesting for them to try in Hannover, although crossing him with another horse with short legs would not be good.

    Franziskus looked very pleasant and nice, solid, well ridden, but not blow your mind. However, I think he looks like the type to produce really nice riding horses for most riders.



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