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    Default welsh pony bloodlines/breeding

    i have the oppertunity to get a reg. welsh pony stallion for free. we have a few mares that we would like to breed, and have been searching for a welsh pony stallion thats affordable and close.and this option has come about. I'm curious if anyone can tell me anything about his bloodlines good/bad or otherwise. and my concern is that he is 23 this year! i know of a 5yr old offspring im unsure if hes bred anything lately as he hasnt been around mares to breed. the person who has him currently said he is still very interested in mares. is that a good sign at his age?hmmmm just trying to weight the benifits/risk before i jump into something. his reg. name is Glannant Fifth Avenue and his reg. number is A31966 if that helps at all! and heres the link to his bloodlines http://www.allbreedpedigree.com/glannant+fifth+avenue
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    seriously ?
    going to the trouble of breeding
    waiting 11 months for a foal
    hoping for a healthy foal
    waiting a few years before you can do anything with it
    and you are going with some horse you know nothing about because it's free ??
    and he's 23 and you don't know his health situation ?

    SERIOUSLY ?



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    Quote Originally Posted by barnfly07 View Post
    i have the oppertunity to get a reg. welsh pony stallion for free. we have a few mares that we would like to breed, and have been searching for a welsh pony stallion thats affordable and close.and this option has come about. I'm curious if anyone can tell me anything about his bloodlines good/bad or otherwise. and my concern is that he is 23 this year! i know of a 5yr old offspring im unsure if hes bred anything lately as he hasnt been around mares to breed. the person who has him currently said he is still very interested in mares. is that a good sign at his age?hmmmm just trying to weight the benifits/risk before i jump into something. his reg. name is Glannant Fifth Avenue and his reg. number is A31966 if that helps at all!
    Here is his pedigree. http://www.allbreedpedigree.com/glannant+fifth+avenue
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    well i know that hes healthy and he needs a home anyway. I know the risk and benifits of breeding any type of horse/pony and the amount of vet care/cost needed. we have had a few foals on our farm. I am perfectly capable of training too.the real questions i wanted to know you didn't answer. i'm more curious about breeding aged stallions and knowing morre about his pedigree thanks!



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    yea i looked at the bloodlines on allpedigree.com i just for got to post the link.im just curious about the ponies in it. I don't know alot about welsh bloodlines.



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    He's a Section A and to my eye looks well bred. There's a history section in the Plaid Pony archives that would tell you all about the Criban and Coch Coed ponies - VA Bred would be able to tell you lots more.



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    That is some very old, and very nice Section A breeding. I would expect him to be a true to type, very "Welshy" pony with bone and substance.

    He could be a very nice start for you, but you would need the right mares to go with him.
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    Quote Originally Posted by rideagoldenpony View Post
    That is some very old, and very nice Section A breeding. I would expect him to be a true to type, very "Welshy" pony with bone and substance.

    He could be a very nice start for you, but you would need the right mares to go with him.
    What would be thr right type mare, do you feel?
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    good question. I have a 15H super cute TB mare thats an awesome little horse, with a cute jump.I was thinking that would give me a medium? what welsh mare would i look to cross him with? and more importantly is it worth taking the chance with him being older?



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    22 old for a pony stallion? Um, no.
    If you are concerned, have a look at some semen under the microscope before you take him.
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    He is not necessarily too old to breed. Many pony stallions breed well into their 20s. I would think that the type of mare you need to cross with him would depend on what type of pony you are trying to end up with. If you are wanting to breed hunter ponies, I think he might do well crossed with small TB mares - you would probably get larges and mediums depending on the mare. Of course, you would need mares with very nice hunter movement as some Sec. As tend to be a bit kneesy - although many have a nice big step. You could also breed him to some Sec. B mares to get something a bit more refined - would probably get smalls or mediums depending on the size of the mare. Would love to see photos of him - he sounds like he might be worth the effort for you
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    Quote Originally Posted by barnfly07 View Post
    i have the oppertunity to get a reg. welsh pony stallion for free. his reg. name is Glannant Fifth Avenue and his reg. number is A31966 if that helps at all! and heres the link to his bloodlines http://www.allbreedpedigree.com/glannant+fifth+avenue

    old,old blood there and huge movers
    ...his mama's "people" could trot so big their handlers
    risked being popped in the forehead just trotting them in hand

    and the same for his sire line. It was said, I believe, about Seven High Tide that had they stayed with him and his big movement the entire Severn/Farnley breeding programs would have been altered.

    the problem is of course,his blood was already old when he was bred 23 years ago and the modern pony world may or may not care for that blood today.See the down side of a "foundation" program is that,well,it's not sellable in a modern environment for the most part

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    I so love the old blood, it's sad to see it loose popularity



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    Quote Originally Posted by Molly Malone
    He's a Section A and to my eye looks well bred. There's a history section in the Plaid Pony archives that would tell you all about the Criban and Coch Coed ponies - VA Bred would be able to tell you lots more.

    I love him. He's bound to be the "old style" I particularly love and I don't blame you for getting him & breeding to him. Wonder how he sticks?
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    I would say he's probably 12.0 - 12.1? I'd go with a nice TB mare up to 15.3.

    A large pony crossbred mare will give you a nice medium baby.

    Lucky you!!!
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    A lot of the Criban influence is in the Lister lines. Read here for more:

    http://www.tangwyllt.com/liseter.htm
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    The Coed Coch line is an old storied line that produced some fabulous ponies. Read about that here:

    http://www.nerwynponies.co.uk/coedcoch.html
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    Severn Welsh also had big success and you can read about them here:

    http://www.severnwelsh.com/page04.html
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    Glannant ponies have had wonderful success and our own Thalia Gentzel who herself is a walking encyclopedia is it's founder. You can read more about them here:

    http://heliconshowstables.com/a-pony-family.htm
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    All of those links are enough reason for me to get him and breed mares to him. I want pictures!!!
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