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    Default Trace Clip vs. Body on a Draftie - Seeking Opinions & Pics

    I have a draft mare who is developing a heavy coat already. I live in the southeast so can only imagine what it will be like in Jan. She is worked every afternoon and isn't drying before turned out for the evening. Clipping time. I am debating a trace clip vs. body clip. I like the idea of a trace clip because it's less blanketing -- I'm lazy -- but still allows her to dry off before turning out. I'm also not a big fan of clipping the face. Would that look stupid if I did a full body clip? I am concerned that with her heavy fur that a trace clip will simply look funny (not appropriate for the show ring, although schooling shows) and a full body clip will be more appropriate. I'm sure many of you have faced the same situation. For those of you who have done a trace clip with a horse with a heavy fur coat I'd love to see pics of your finished job. I'll post my pics after I'm done if I haven't butchered her too bad.



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    try a bib and belly clip which is clipping out the front of the neck and down between front legs and half of the belly

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    For horses that live out, I frankly prefer a trace clip. I think it's the best of both worlds--provides them with some insulation while keeping the sweaty parts manageable. Perfectly acceptable for hunting or schooling shows, although I wouldn't walk into the A-hunter ring with one.

    I have TBs, so no pics of heavy coated horses with a trace clip. But I worked for a foxhunting sales barn that turned over a Lot of Belgian crosses, and we generally trace clipped them. They looked adorable--like big teddy bears!
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    My guy gets a yak coat in the winter and I've trace clipped him a couple of times. I'll admit, that when his winter coat is in full force and I trace clip him, he looks like he's wearing a rug It's kinda shaggy on the edges from his long hairs. It really makes a big difference though on keeping him from getting so sweaty - especially on those unseasonably warm winter days. If I was showing though, I think the full clip would look better. My version of the full clip is everything but the head and legs and, on him, it looks neat enough for non-rated shows.
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    Timely thread!

    My horse is a TB but gets the thickest coat ever. Since we have warm temps this weekend, I'll be washing him, applying a liberal amount of Show Sheen, then clipping away!

    I was thinking I'd do a modified body clip (leave the head, legs, and a patch on the belly), but I may go for a blanket clip or hunter clip.

    Here's a useful site in showing diagrams of different clips.

    http://www.peasridge.co.uk/clipper-a...se-clips.shtml

    Last year I did a trace clip and experienced what SkipHiLad4me did with the shaggy edges when it grew in thicker.

    My horse is very fearful/reactive to clippers and requires sedation. I'll likely end up with whatever clip looks the best before the sedative wears off!



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    This option may not work this year, but keep it in mind for next year. Do a Hunter or Full Body Clip around the 2nd week of September. If you do it this early in the season, you likely won't have to blanket for this first clip. Once this begins to grow out, around mid to late October, you can then go for a low trace or a bib clip of some type. If your temps are mild and you might not need to blanket until later in the winter.

    I have done a hunter clip early, a large trace clip mid fall and then just a bib in Jan. This allows them to be cooler in the warmer weather and warmer in the cooler weather. I fox hunt and don't show, so the clip is whatever keeps horsey comfy, it's not about "fancy" turnout.

    Just a word of warning... Some horses can get VERY frisky when the cool air hits their naked belly. I'd make sure your horse has earned the right to be clipped!!



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    I have a fuzzy belgian/tb cross -- he becomes a YAK in winter. I compete him (eventing) into early November, and he needs to be clipped for his late October competitions. He also lives out 24/7 and I live 50 minutes from the barn, so no fussy blanket changes for us.

    I do a bib clip -- I think you can see it in the "baby" pics in my sig line if you go back to pics early on of our schooling in the winter (that is, not the competition photos).

    I take off under the neck, chest, shoulders, belly JUST to behind the girth. This makes a huge difference for cooling/drying out when sweaty, but allows me to leave him unblanketed throughout the Maryland winter. I blanket when it is cold and rainy (30s and 40s), but NOT for snow or plain cold (20s and 30s).

    He's fine.

    Once in a while I have to use the hair dryer on him, but he stays in full work all winter this way.

    I do not show H/J and imagine this might not fly in that world, but as an eventer, we have no competitions after early November (and no one seems to care then; I've run a horse at a 3 day in late October with this same clip without a problem)...
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    The trace clip I do depends on the horse's individual workload and cold weather tolerance. As a fox hunter, I don't have to worry about the contrast of extremely long hair against clipped hair.

    Like the others, I'll do a trace clip early, like now and decide in December if it needs a touch up. The fall trace clip will include clipping the underside of the belly, the chest and neck, 1/2 to 1/3 of the sides to the rump. I'll leave hair on the legs from the elbow down and the gaskin down. In late Feb I'll remove more hair on the sides and make a wide path over the rump at the tail end and clip the legs clean.

    Good luck!



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    The only photos I've found are from when I trace clipped him early in the season so he didn't have a heavy coat yet. I know I've got one of him in full yak mode with his trace clip I'll post if I can find them.
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    Ditto the Bib clip... very effective on my Clyde-X that turns into a Yak too, and lives out 24/7
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    I do the bib clip on several of the geriatric horses in the barn. It's the perfect clip for those that are out a great deal. My mare needs more fur removed. I am about to embark on a modified body clip or trace clip. Will see what she looks like when I start clipping and then I'll know. I'll get some pictures just for fun.



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    Quote Originally Posted by NCSue View Post
    I do the bib clip on several of the geriatric horses in the barn. It's the perfect clip for those that are out a great deal. My mare needs more fur removed. I am about to embark on a modified body clip or trace clip. Will see what she looks like when I start clipping and then I'll know. I'll get some pictures just for fun.
    then do a chaser clip which is larger than a bib and belly



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    Huge fan of the chaser/Irish clip - that is what I do each winter. Although we do stop showing in Oct.

    If I were showing (even local probably), I would do a full clip but leave the legs and head untouched.

    I am lazy too - but worth the extra blanketing effort to deal with a full clip in order to look neat and tidy at shows. I would feel odd showing in my Irish clip. Just me though.



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    There’s a pic of my chaser clip in my profile.
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    If I choose to do a Bib Clip on my very hairy Welsh Cob, do I need full sized body clippers or can I get away with something smaller?
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    I think it REALLY depends on your vanity. I HATE trace clips and think they look funny and hate doing them (I find it so much easier just to chop it all off rather than get the lines even, etc). 99% of the time, I do a full clip (though, most times I leave legs), even on turned out horses (that's why God created neck rugs). But, really, unless you are vain like me or plan on showing seriously (mostly in the hunter world) over the winter, do what ever you prefer. And, I think a gross, sweaty, hairy horse is far less attractive then a comfortable trace clipped one.

    For the record, I will leave faces occasionally. Sometimes, it just isn't worth the battle, like on the little mare we have in our barn. She can be VERY head shy and you can un-do weeks of work on her if she gets a fright about her head...so, when we clip her this week, she'll keep her face. Keep the jaw lined cleaned up and it doesn't look the bad at all.



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    Quote Originally Posted by Justmyluck View Post
    If I choose to do a Bib Clip on my very hairy Welsh Cob, do I need full sized body clippers or can I get away with something smaller?

    Nah, I use my Andis A2? (not sure, will look at barn tomorrow) -- they are NOT full body clippers! It takes a while, but my hairy guys are probably twice the size of your Welsh Cob.

    It is true that the clip looks a bit odd, but I have, as I said, evented recognized this way to no ill effect. Since I live 50 minutes from the barn and do self care, there is no way I'd get the blanketing "right" enough of the time to manage the full clip, but yb is right, that looks a lot tidier...
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    Quote Originally Posted by asterix View Post
    Nah, I use my Andis A2? (not sure, will look at barn tomorrow) -- they are NOT full body clippers! It takes a while, but my hairy guys are probably twice the size of your Welsh Cob.

    It is true that the clip looks a bit odd, but I have, as I said, evented recognized this way to no ill effect. Since I live 50 minutes from the barn and do self care, there is no way I'd get the blanketing "right" enough of the time to manage the full clip, but yb is right, that looks a lot tidier...

    Thanks I appreciate it. I used my BOs Oster Clipmasters to get the really thick long stuff and am going to touch him up periodically with my smaller osters that say for a medium work load.

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    So....
    What is your secret to getting both sides even? I don't want someone in the hunt field to be behind me (there is always someone behind me, as my horse refuses to even be considered as the last horse in the field) and see my ugly, lopsided clip. (What happened? Were you drinking, or it your horse just lopsided?)
    One year I did a trace clip and used a saddle pad to get semi- even. Then proceeded to do a full body because, well, it looked like I'd been drinking, LOL! (Doesn't help that horse is very tickle-ish and hates standing still at any time, much less for an hour of clipping!)
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    Quote Originally Posted by AJHorsey View Post
    So....
    What is your secret to getting both sides even? I don't want someone in the hunt field to be behind me (there is always someone behind me, as my horse refuses to even be considered as the last horse in the field) and see my ugly, lopsided clip. (What happened? Were you drinking, or it your horse just lopsided?)
    One year I did a trace clip and used a saddle pad to get semi- even. Then proceeded to do a full body because, well, it looked like I'd been drinking, LOL! (Doesn't help that horse is very tickle-ish and hates standing still at any time, much less for an hour of clipping!)
    Use masking tape or a use contractors chalk line. There may be other methods too.



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