Your favorite ulcer supplement

[onwego]

I was wondering what everybody uses and if they actually work well. I know that neighlox is popular, does anybody use U7?

[Kiwayu]

In my area, a lot of the vets recommend U-Gard. I love the stuff. It comes in a powder or liquid.

[luvmytbs]

U-Gard 2X, can be ordered at Jeffers.

[Renn/aissance]

A lot of our horses have had great success with U-Gard powder. For mild ulcers we've given 60 ccs. of liquid Mylanta before meals and stressful events like shipping, which seems to work well on the guys who just get "tummy-aches" and don't show the signs of having real ulcer problems.

[cadence]

My vote is for Neigh-Lox. I've used it very succesfully with my horse.

[painted02]

I have used Equitum with great success: http://www.jeffersequine.com/ssc/product.asp?CID=1&mscs...0027040&cmkw=equitum (http://www.jeffersequine.com/ssc/product.asp?CID=1&mscssid=XUCXELGGJ5FD9G7DG7T0H0RLW9Q26D6E&pf_id=0027040&cmkw=equitum)

Not to sound like a cheap-skate, but I love the fact that it is priced so low. So, not only will I be putting the "problem" filly back on it when she goes to the trainer, I can also afford use it for my other horses that will be in training.

[Hunter's Rest]

For all of these supps (plus rinitidine, cemitideine, etc.) is it important to give it BEFORE mealtime?? Before both (or all 3) mealtimes??? Or can it/they go ON the feed????

[Critters Everywhere]

Nothing has worked as well as Herbal Ulcer Blend on Brandy. She gets 1/2 ounce with morning grain, 1/2 ounce with evening grain. Her previous owner had tried her on U-Gard, Neigh-Lox, and Equitum with moderate success but the Herbal Ulcer Blend has been fabulous for her! I also give her a handful of peppermint Tums-EX right before riding.

I get the Herbal Ulcer Blend through my chiro, but I found it online here (http://www.essentialmatters.net/equinescienceproducts.htm). BTW, we also use their Special Joint Blend & it seems to work better than the Cosequin I was using previously--and is cheaper per month!

[painted02]

I put the Equitum (it's a powder) on her feed, which I questioned since she was basically off her feed from her upset tummy. So, I gave her just enough grain to mix with supplement, and added applesauce and pancake syrup to get her interested in the first few feedings.

[inspired]

I have been using U-7 for stress periods (like travelling) for my horse with noticeable results.

[Simkie]

I've used U-gard with good results (both the liquid and the powder).

[Bensmom]

CE -- do you know which herbs are in their ulcer blend? I have a horse in my barn that his owner buys herbs seperately for that I've been looking to find her a combination supplement that might work and be less complicated. Right now he is on aloe and slippery elm.

I also took a look at their joint blend, and one thing to keep in mind with it, is that it contains devil's claw, which the herbal websites caution people with ulcers or delicate stomachs not to use. http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_frown.gif We looked into using that for this same horse and his vet vetoed it because of his tummy. He also has pretty bad Navicular and trying to manage his pain and his ulcer are sometimes difficult. http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_frown.gif He's done ok on white willow bark, but that is also known to irritate tummies, so I dunno that I'm ever going to find anything to help his pain management that doesn't upset his tummy!

Libby

[Critters Everywhere]

I can't remember everything in the Herbal Ulcer Blend off the top of my head...I know it had licorice root, slippery elm, meadow sweet, stevia (too make it more palatable?), & milk thistle...I think there were a couple other things in there too.

She hasn't shown any aggravation of her ulcers from the Special Joint Blend and she's been moving much better on it. The old (25? 27?) schoolie at the barn is worlds better on the Special Joint Blend but ulcers haven't ever been an issue for her.

[BarbB]

I've never had my horse scoped, but he was showing symptoms of ulcers and with a 6 year track career that's kind of expected.
He gets aloe vera juice in his evening feed and the symptoms have disappeared.

[Warmbloodmom]

BarbB, can I ask how much aloe vera you give in the feed? I would like to try that, have heard good things about that and papaya juice.

[Hunter's Rest]

Yeah, yeah, BarbB, how much aloe and how much papaya and, errr, where do you get that stuff??

[BarbB]

Aloe vera juice....he gets 1 cup once a day.
I have been told that you have to introduce some horses more gradually because of the taste, but he eats anything that lands in his feed bucket. http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif
I was very careful to make sure that he got it every day for over a month. Now it has been several months and if I miss a day it doesn't seem to make any difference. Someday I am going to do some research and see if I could feed less or less often, but for now....it's working.

I buy it at Walmart, $7/gal.
It is whole processed aloe leaves. I have heard pros and cons about whole leaves vs. gel only. This seems to work. http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

[Critters Everywhere]

Whole processed leaves uh? Wonder if I should throw my aloe plant prunings in the blender each day before heading out to the barn... http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_razz.gif (just kidding...but I do have the most prolific dang aloe vera house plants & I can't convince anyone to take any more 'babies')

[BarbB]

Originally posted by Critters Everywhere:
Whole processed leaves uh? Wonder if I should throw my aloe plant prunings in the blender each day before heading out to the barn... http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_razz.gif (just kidding...but I do have the most prolific dang aloe vera house plants & I can't convince anyone to take any more 'babies')

why not? you certainly can't buy it any fresher!

[evntr09]

TractGard works fine for my guy; he was diagnosed with ulcers and treated w/ GastroGard and has been on the TractGard ever since to prevent recurrence. He's stayed healthy on it and shown no signs of the ulcers coming back.

[harr754]

During show season I give my horse one syringe of papaya puree in the a.m. and p.m. The syringe I use is an old bute syringe. I buy the puree pretty cheaply at a local health food store - much much cheaper than stomach soother which is the exact same product.

In the off season If he starts not cleaning up his grain, I give him a syringe full in the evening for a few days until he's eating well again.

He's a very picky eater and will not eat any of the ulcer supplements.

[Hunter's Rest]

Harr
You give the papaya before his meal? During? After??
What about just getting papayas from the market and puree-ing them myself??

[J Swan]

harr754 - I was looking at the stomach soother stuff yesterday and was wondering if it was basically just pureed papaya.

So you buy the same stuff at your health food store? Is that store like a GMC or a mom and pop type place. Do you remember how much you paid?

Hunter's Rest and I were just talking about papaya and if there is a cheaper source than the stomach soother stuff - I'm all for it.

And who here has heard of using fenbendazole?

[SimpleSimon]

I feed papaya in the chewable tablet formula that I pick up a supplement (people) store. I put ten chewable tablets in my horse's a.m. and p.m. feed. If you show at FEI governed competitions, you need to make sure your papaya supplement does not contain bromelaine (which some of the chewable tablets do) as it is not legal.

Can't tell you if it is making any difference or not for my horse but it is an easy, no mess way to feed it.

[J Swan]

SimpleSimon - how extraordinary. I know of an OTC joint supplement that has bromelaine in it.

Not that I compete at FEI competitions - - I don't worry much about testing since I foxhunt. But you just floored me with that tidbit.

Sorry - didn't mean to hijack.

[fergie]

onwego, I use U-7. I love it. It's the only way we could get this racehorse to eat - including double dosing Gastroguard. There is another aloe type product called Ulceraide that has been helping a rescue horse in my barn. That aloe is good stuff. I have even put my mouth under the U-7 pump when I had excruciating heartburn, and it took away the burn as it was going down my throat. The Ulceraide also has some probiotics in it too. I am a believer.

[harr754]

I discovered this over the summer, I can buy papaya puree made by healthmate at my local health food store - the one in my area is called Queen's. I read the stomach soother bottle then the healthmate papaya puree bottle and they are the exact same thing! They are made at the same place and the bottles are even the same - just different labels.

For the same size bottle of SS, I pay $3 or $4 a bottle, for double the size it was $7 or $8. Can you believe the price difference? Plus, in PA there is no tax because it's considered food. Also, if I buy a case of the stuff the store will give me a discount.

I give it to my horse before he eats his grain.

I looked into the chewable tablets at the GNC but they were really expensive and I don't think my horse would eat them.

I also looked into making the puree myself, but that looks like a big pain and I don't imagine it would really save me much money, if any.

[Bensmom]

This is really good info, guys!

I have two on the Aloe juice that you can get at Wal-mart, but I discovered Publix carries it even cheaper -- not much, but a little bit and we can pick it up at the grocery store, rather than having to make a trip to Wally World, which this time of the year really gives me the creeps, but is handily only a mile from the barn!

I feed 1 cup 2x a day, and I think it helps. They haven't had any trouble with the taste.

CE -- thanks for the info on the herbal stuff. I'm going to pass that along to Bear's mom. http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

Libby

[danichilders]

I second both U-Gard 2X also bought at Valley Vet as well as Neigh Lox... I tend to switch back and forth between the two.. my mare likes to get sick of one so I switch them every other time I buy and no more cribbing! Horses are funny and expensive.

U-Gard is very cheap compares to other brands and it really works well.

[Chanter]

U-7: The string I slave to will not consume U-7 over feed, has to be syringed in. It stinks up your clothes to high heaven, with all the spitting back out the mouth they do whilst trying to hold theirs heads up to keep it in their mouths. In fact it smells so bad, that one time when I had just open the jug, trainer caught a wiff & accussed me of not keeping a clean stable. I shoved it under his nose & told him he owes me for the laundry mat to get it out of my clothes for having to use this stuff!!! But it does seem to work.

Whole Aloe Vera in a blender: Be sure to remove the skin. I lived on a island once where aloe prodcution was once a major income producer. Do not recall off the top of my head the exact why's, I just know the skin needs to be removed.

Frankly, I like plain aloe vera for the horses & myself too. Works nicely. 1 cup, 2 times per day for the horses. I use Lily of the Desert, but the race horses get George's-the sworn by brand for race trackers.

[Warmbloodmom]

Has anyone ever tried this form of aloe vera? http://www.pharmaloe.com/htm/pellets.shtml

[Warmbloodmom]

Sorry, here is the link for the pellets: http://www.pharmalone.com/html/for_farm_animals.shtml

[Warmbloodmom]

Soooo sorry, for some reason it will not bring it up! go to the first link I gave you, click on farm animals, then at left click on maintain health and it will bring you to the aloe vera pellets. One lb is the same as an 8oz serving as the aloe vera juice, looks interesting. Someday I will learn how to paste a link correctly!! http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_mad.gif

[Simkie]

Wow, neat site WBM! I wonder if pellets would work the same--I always assumed aloe worked by coating the stomach, but really don't know.

(the only reason your first link doesn't work is you left the "l" off the first "html" http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif)

[Warmbloodmom]

Ooo http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif I inquired about the pellets to see if they would send me a sample to try for taste. Very picky eater! Will let you know if they are able to.

Also, they make capsules for people who can't tolerate the taste of the juice, so I assume they work without coating the stomach.

[LR1976]

I also have had good success with Equitum. Works great for my OTTB.

[Simkie]

Do people take aloe pills for stomach ulcers? I did make my roommate drink aloe daily for a month for his gastroesophageal reflux disease. It didn't help at all http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

Let me know if they'll send you a sample! I'm intruiged with their claims. I wonder if my cats would eat the pet crumbles...

[Warmbloodmom]

What a great company, they are sending me a sample of the Aloe Vera pellets. They also said that the cost of the 50# bag of pellets needs to be updated on the website, it is $65 with $8.00 flat rate shipping. Kind of pricey but if you feed 1 lb (which equals 8oz of aloe vera) of the pellet per day the total cost per day is $1.46. The liquid is $22 per gallon + $6.00 shipping for 128 oz so per day that would be $1.75 per day. You can order the liquid in a larger quantity to save a little. Will let you know how the taste suits my boy. He actually loves the gel Aloe Vera with a little bit of papaya juice added into his soaked alfalfa cubes.

[Oakstable]

What symptoms do you see if a horse has an ulcer? I know they are very common.

[toowoomba2]

Uh oh, I didn't know U7 was nasty. I just ordered a month supply from SmartPak. I assumed that since it came in Paks, it was a powder.

Is U7 only liquid? If it is powder, is it more acceptable to the horse?

[Lookout]

Did you come up with that dosage by extrapolating the human dose according to body weight? My horse's nutritionist prescribed papaya AND bromelain to better digest protein, and she said I only needed to give about 3 tablets per day.

Originally posted by SimpleSimon:
I feed papaya in the chewable tablet formula that I pick up a supplement (people) store. I put ten chewable tablets in my horse's a.m. and p.m. feed. If you show at FEI governed competitions, you need to make sure your papaya supplement does not contain bromelaine (which some of the chewable tablets do) as it is not legal.

Can't tell you if it is making any difference or not for my horse but it is an easy, no mess way to feed it.

[Lookout]

There is a horse at my barn that gets U-Gard for persistent diarrhea. Does anyone else feed it for this problem? Is this a problem related to ulcers?

[Kiwayu]

Lookout- Diarrhea can be a sign of ulcers.

[SimpleSimon]

Lookout - dosage was suggested by a horse chiro. And Bromelaine is a good thing - actually per the lady at the supplement place you pay more to get it. I would dare say the FEI has never been known to be logical in their rules and they have very strict No Foreign Substances rules. I am not suggesting not to feed Bromelain however, if you attend an FEI governed event you better pull your horse off it. That's all.

Edited to add link for more insight into the FEI drug "logic" (http://chronicleforums.com/groupee/forums/a/tpc/f/2096094911/m/652208757/p/1)

[ASB Stars]

Has anyone tried the generic form of Prilosec- the omprazole that you can buy online ? There are a couple of sites that sell it in different dosage pills.

Some time ago, one of the wunderkinds http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif on here posted that 450mg was an appropriate dose for a 1000# horse...I guess they must have determined that was the actual amount of drug in the standard syringe of Ulcerguard.

Any thoughts, information, or suggestions ?

Thanks ! http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

[BarbB]

Originally posted by Oakstable:
What symptoms do you see if a horse has an ulcer? I know they are very common.

Some symptoms (the ones I saw) are:
frequent colic episodes
teeth gnashing
irritable when eating...stopping and starting
girthy
weight loss or poor coat condition

there are others. All of these things are also symptoms of other things. I eliminated some of the other things and chose a harmless homeopathic remedy (aloe) and waited to see what happened. All the symptoms went away. http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

[Oakstable]

Aloe juice in a syringe?

How much?

How often?

[BarbB]

Originally posted by Oakstable:
Aloe juice in a syringe?

How much?

How often?

Aloe in a bottle. Dump a cup over the feed http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif
I do it once a day. You might have to start with smaller amounts.

[eclipse06]

i like neigh-lox. We have used it for a couple of our horses and it has really helped them eat more and it has also helped change their attitudes about working. I would reccommend it.

[onetempies]

Neigh-Lox didn't do anything for my guy. He is currently on the U-7 but it DID take awhile of slow introduction to get him used to the smell. I forget what is in it that gives off the funky smell. But he's VERY picky about supplements. If it smells funnny he thinks I'm trying to kill him and won't eat it. All of the ingredients are herbal though.

Cimetidine... 2x weight, crushed, dissolved, syringed into mouth not to exceed 8 hour intervals. Chevy did this two separate times for 4 weeks... I just put it on his feed for the second round. He no longer lets a syringe get close to his mouth. http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif

My new TB mare... I'm going to try the U-7 liquid (Chevy gets the powder) as she is VERY picky about powder supplements.

[Kaydence]

I should remember this as I just attended a talk about it last month but since none of my horses are showing any of the signs the vet mentioned, it has been mostly forgotten.

I do recall her saying that frequent yawning is a sign as well.

Some studies done indicated a high number of horses who scoped as having ulcers but didn't have any symptoms of it. Just more to obsess about I suppose. http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Originally posted by BarbB:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Oakstable:
What symptoms do you see if a horse has an ulcer? I know they are very common.

Some symptoms (the ones I saw) are:
frequent colic episodes
teeth gnashing
irritable when eating...stopping and starting
girthy
weight loss or poor coat condition

there are others. All of these things are also symptoms of other things. I eliminated some of the other things and chose a harmless homeopathic remedy (aloe) and waited to see what happened. All the symptoms went away. http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

[FindersKeepers]

has anyone used G.U.T. or heard anything about it? My vet suggested we give that a try for my mare. I've tried everything to get her gain weight and the vet has examined every avenue of infection, disease, parasites, etc. with no results. I can't afford to get her scoped right now, but she has been under a great deal of stress the last year, and is rather stoic about pain issues, but she has become increasingly girthy, her coat leaves something to be desired, and she's too skinny.

Annnyway, I have to change my smartpaks this weekend to include something new for her tummy...

[Oakstable]

I have a horse who grinds his teeth and has become very girthy. He also struggles in the canter to the right. He is on Dynamite supplements so has a gorgeous coat, he has no colic history whatsoever, but the behavior is not his true personality. We have started him on clay and will add aloe vera. He also gets some hay pellets while he is being tacked up so there is food in his stomach when he works.

[Dancing Booger]

Originally posted by Oakstable:
I have a horse who grinds his teeth and has become very girthy. He also struggles in the canter to the right. He is on Dynamite supplements so has a gorgeous coat, he has no colic history whatsoever, but the behavior is not his true personality. We have started him on clay and will add aloe vera. He also gets some hay pellets while he is being tacked up so there is food in his stomach when he works.

My horse does the samething, does your horse have ulcers?

[Oakstable]

We're not going to the expense of scoping him, but proceding with a couple inexpensive natural products.

Already we see improvement. But a number of things were changed so we cannot pinpoint just one thing.

Horses are meant to graze ALL the time, but we feed them 2-3X per day. Lots of things can lead to ulcers.

[Monaco]

I'm surprized no one has mentioned Succeed ? A fairly new product to the market I had heard great things and I'm a user. Expense is about $3.00 a day.

Here is the link
http://www.succeeddcp.com/index.asp

Amy

[MissCapitalSplash]

Having two horses with chronic ulcers, I thought I should post.
In the summer when freezing isnt an issue, my guys ALL (even those not diagnosed with ulcers via scope) get 2 cups aloe vera juice per day. They are all happy and content, I bump the amount up if they will be traveling or another stressful event occurs.
During the winter when stuff freezes, I use Happy Stomach which is an herbal blend I get via my vet who is also an acupuncture/chiro.
Ive been very happy with this system!

[ML]

Where do you find the Aloe juice it is 24.00 a gallon at the health food store. Does you walmart carry it for less? any one.

[Chanter]

Yes, Wally World carries it for less. BUT, I truly believe you get what you pay for. Take a whiff of the Wally World stuff. Smells like plastic. Take a taste. You can sure taste te plastic! Something just is not right with that picture, whether it just be plastic leaching (not healthy!), or something more. *yikes* Thanks, but never again!

$24 a gallon is a heck of a LOT cheaper than what your vet could prescribe...

[dressager]

Monaco-
I started a thread about Succeed about a week ago. I have been told to buy it and that it is a fabulous product, but by and large, the research (informal) that I have done online has not led me to believe that has been true for all. I'd really appreciate if you would share the changes in your horses with Succeed and why you like it so much. If I really got the feeling that it worked, I'd buy it, but I feel that there is a lot of smoke and mirrors.

Can you combine UGuard with say, Aloe or papaya? I have a horse that was scoped and they found 10 mild to moderate ulcers. No surprise there. Race horse, then show horse. Always lived in a stall. High stress kind of guy. He was treated with GG and given some time off (non-related to the ulcers, really not for anything, but that is another REALLY long story). However, he is now back in work. I wish I could just go ahead and do another month of GG, but alas it's too $$$.

I was thinking maybe a probio, yeast, antacid, and aloe or papaya. He gets Ultium and rice bran (actually slowly switching from rice bran to Glanzen/sunnies) and chaff. About to switch from Cosequin (waiting to run out) to Reitsport (which is Glanzen/Hylasport/probio). Thoughts?

The aloe was recommended to me before Succeed by the same person who recommended Succeed-

My other horse gets the same base (ultium, rice bran <again, will switch to Glanzen/sunnies when I run out> and chaff) but also gets Missing Link. I really think he might have a very mild set of ulcers (diarrhea on/off, mild, mild cribber).

[Oakstable]

We're using DynaPro which is very soothing to the gut, and syringing clay into my gelding and I am delighted to hear that the grinding and tension is going away. Yesterday, he was ridden and didn't grind his teeth once. http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

[Lesley Feakins]

Would Aloe be all right to give to a pregnant mare?

My mare has not be herself for a while now. Last week she clearly uncomfortable with very loose manure, not eating hay or grain and just misrable. Vet was out and we treated her Pepto Bismol paste & probios Gel and Banamine and after 3 days she was much better and more like her self again but not a 100%.

It occurred to me that she might be dealing with ulcers. This summer she started licking the walls in her stall and chewing wood. Rather do that than eat her hay...not like her at all, she's normally a chow hound. I don't want to put her through scoping at this point and I've heard results from people who have used aloe...just want to make sure it would be safe for a pregnant mare. Or is there anything else recommended for a pregnant mare?

I do used Neighlox with my young stallion during breeding and show season and have had good results with that. Any suggestions with this mare?

[can't re-]

My guy was diagnosed with fairly severe ulcers in early November. He had shown no signs up until a few days before I brought him into the clinic. He was reluctant to work, then had decreased water consumption and the day he shipped, he became very depressed. His appetite was always excellent.
He was just rechecked and the ulcers are healed. We did a month of GG, and now 1/4 tube or one dose of UG in the AM with Neighlox at night.
My plan is to add Aloe to his feed after a month of UG and keep him on the Neighlox. I will probably use the UG at shows and when shipping.

[J Swan]

Monaco - Succeed is extremely expensive. You can get the same results or better with Diamond V yeast - a livestock feed additive that's been around for years.

A lot of this stuff has been on the market for years and years - but stick a picture of a glossy horse on it and cha ching - a very new lucrative market springs up.

[Oakstable]

I think wood chewing is a sign of ulcers.

My gelding is a pleaser and will internalize negative feedback from his rider. He is a young guy so he obviously needs feedback, positive and negative, and lots of positive when it reinforces good behavior.

His rider mentioned he was interested in woodchewing, which he has never done before.

We've added Izmine, a free choice mineral, to his clay and DynaPro and making headway. Placebos don't work on horses so they give pretty honest feedback.

~Sally

[Oakstable]

What did it cost to have the ulcer scoping done?

[can't re-]

I'm pretty sure it was $150. The insurance company paid for it.

[sid]

I haven't read the whole thread, but we use Gastroguard to clear ulcers in foals and in an adult horse post surgery. I've heard of it also being used in a lower dose as a preventative.

Of course, the best prevention is by free choice hay or at minimum multiple hay feedings (4-5) a day so a horse's stomach is not empty for hours at a time.

[Warmbloodmom]

Wanted to update you on the Aloe Vera pellets the company was sending me that I talked about when this link started. Company sent me a lb of it and my very finicky horse gobbled them up like candy. I tasted them and they taste exactly like the whole leaf juice they sell that I had purchased. They sent a ton of literature on aloe vera with this and it sure was informative! My guy has been on the liquid aloe vera (1 cup per day) for 6 days now and all teeth grinding and girthyness has stopped. He also has so much more energy. I have been drinking an 8oz glass myself and my acid reflux has just about come to a halt. I have ordered a 50# bag of pellets so will post back in a few weeks with the results. They also stressed that this product is excellent for arthritis and with his fusing hocks he has been much more comfortable these past few days. Interesting product.

[J Swan]

May I ask what you paid for the 50lbs of aloe pellets? Thanks.

[Oakstable]

She said that the 50 lb. bag is $68 with $8 shipping.

[Warmbloodmom]

Actually it is $65 with $8.00 flat rate shipping.

[seal]

Has anyone had success with Tums?

[Monaco]

As far as Succeed, I did use it on one horse the difference I saw was first, an incrediable weight gain for a horse that was under a pretty heavy duty work schedule. The second thing I noticed was an attitude change to a little more focused.
I did take the horse off the porduct in Sept and I wished I had not as her attitude did change and by the time we realized show season was almost over she was then turned out.

I think the best results will be seen when I put her back on this spring and see if I notice a change again.

I know about the expense and that was also a reason we took her off. It was the end of show season, we have 15 other mouths to feed, vet, blacksmith ect.. But I will put her back on in April and I will keep you posted.

I really would like to here from others who have used it and what their results were.

Amy

[jazzrider]

I haven't read through this whole thread -- but I've got a question. I have a retired OTTB who has mild ulcer flare ups. I'd prefer not to have to give him anything via syringe -- just add it to his food. I can't add papaya (dried, pureed, etc -- I've tried) or aloe juice to his food -- or he will stop eating for days. Any time I add something new (particularly something strange like liquid or a white powder) he goes off his feed. I'm tired of buying things then putting them on a shelf. Is there a not-super-expensive ulcer supplement that is not white, and is alfalfa/grain-like in smell?

If not, I'll syringe aloe and/or papaya -- which has worked well for me in the past -- but he really pouts when I do it. I'd like to find something easier for both of us. Thanks.

[Chanter]

Originally posted by Lesley Feakins:
Would Aloe be all right to give to a pregnant mare?

Certainly should be. http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

[BarbB]

Originally posted by jazzrider:
I haven't read through this whole thread -- but I've got a question. I have a retired OTTB who has mild ulcer flare ups. I'd prefer not to have to give him anything via syringe -- just add it to his food. I can't add papaya (dried, pureed, etc -- I've tried) or aloe juice to his food -- or he will stop eating for days. Any time I add something new (particularly something strange like liquid or a white powder) he goes off his feed. I'm tired of buying things then putting them on a shelf. Is there a not-super-expensive ulcer supplement that is not white, and is alfalfa/grain-like in smell?

If not, I'll syringe aloe and/or papaya -- which has worked well for me in the past -- but he really pouts when I do it. I'd like to find something easier for both of us. Thanks.

Aloe doesn't have a really strong flavor, maybe you could disguise it in some applesauce or something similar that he would think was a treat?
Also I have bought berry flavor aloe, I didn't like it because it was too sweet....my horse liked it.

[sophie]

Jazzrider, this has been my predicament with my very picky mare...she hated U-7 and Ulcer Guard 2x and would stop eating altogether. She'd refuse any powdered suppl or weird-smelling liquid (even her joint suppl. has to be pelleted).
I did give her aloe vera with her pm grain and she did eat it tho. Problem is, aloe vera needs to be refrigerated after opening and there is no fridge at the barn...so not practical in myh situation.
I have heard that Neighlox is an alfafa-based pellet...it was my next thing to try, it might work for you...
With my mare, I did the Cimetidine 2x a day, syringed in her mouth, for a month. It worked perfectly.

[Warmbloodmom]

Received my shipment today of the aloe vera pellets. They say that one lb is 8oz of whole leaf aloe vera. The pellets are made with wheat, whole leaf aloe vera, alfalfa and lightly flavored with molasses. They smell a little like licorice. My boy absolutely loves them. They are pricey ($73 per bag, which includes shipping) but really are cheaper than the liquid and needs no refrigeration.

[Cobee]

WBM, any updated on the pelleted feed?

My mare cribs, yawns a lot and is generally described as the cranky mare... going to try Aloe for her.
My 25 yr old gelding always seems to get diarrhea when the weather changes... so I'm thinking I'm going to try him on Aloe.
My dog is a chronic vomiter, if she is 30 minutes late to eat she gets sick, and can't leave out free choice food, so I guess she may get some to as a trial.
Going to go get liquid a Wally world (We call it the Cantina) to see if I have positive results but the Pelleted for the horses would be a good option

[Warmbloodmom]

Well, he LOVES the aloe vera pellets! I give him a pound before my ride and he has not been grinding his teeth or girthy whatsoever. He is relaxed and happy, tail is nicely lifted when riding instead of clamped down. I am totally amazed at the difference in him and will continue to feed this. I hope that it will take care of the ulcers and that I will not need to treat with gastroguard to completely rid them. Going to continue with this for a few months.

[Karoline]

Is there a link to the company website, or phone # you could share?

I found this company, which is cheaper: $59.95 for a 50lb bag and $5 flat shipping charge:

http://www.pharmaloe.com/html/pellets.shtml

[Warmbloodmom]

That is the company. They just have not updated the prices on the internet yet.

[jazzrider]

Belated thanks Sophie and BarbB for your feedback.

Can anyone confirm that Neighlox is effective and alfalfa based (not white!).

[Cobee]

Does anyone have any input on the possible side effects from feedin Aloe?
I'm going to try it very carefully on my older horse, to see if his Diarrhea subside or not...
But I've been reading and see that a low potassium level can be a side effect of taking Aloe?? anyone have any input?

[hey101]

Went to Walmart last night and bought some aloe vera juice and mylanta. I squirted some mylanta down his throat and added juice to my boy's feed this morning... having high hopes he will show some improvement in his eating habits. Thanks for all the insight folks, this was a very timely topic for me and I am hoping I don't need to start paying $30/ tube for gastrogard. Hopefully the more natural methods will do the trick.

[gazenna]

This is a very good topic, I do have a question though. How would one give the aloe vera juice to a horse that cannot have any grain because of chronic laminitis? She has not been diganosed with ulcers, but just incase it were to happen a heads up would be nice. Donna

[Warmbloodmom]

Can he have some alfalfa cubes? Soak in a small amount of hot water and the aloe vera juice, makes a nice mash. The aloe vera pellets are made with whole leaf aloe vera, wheat, alfalfa and very lightly flavored with molasses. No corn or oats in them.

[cake_is_cool]

i have to recommend gastroguard for horses with ulcer problems. it's mucho expensive but it works wonders.

my horse had terrible colic-causing ulcers, the gastro guard healed every ulcer PERFECTLY in only a month.

we keep him on neigh-lox which appears to be working well.

[rmj]

There was a post a page back or so about TUMS that no one answered. Since I have the same question, I will ask it again...

Has anyone tried TUMS rather than some of the other products like Neighlox and UGard? If so, what experience and what dosage? I can get a HUGE bottle at Sam's/Costco for next to nothing and was going to try that since my guy HATES UGard.

Thanks!!
Rochelle

[barnslave]

Here is part of a report from the Equine Medicie & Surgery in Louisiana.
Re: Use of PalaMOUNTAINS Equine Plus in race Horses with Equine Gastric Ulcer Syndrome, a field study by Ken P.Reed, D.V.M.
11 thoroughbred race horses in training were gastro-scoped for the presence of Ulcers. Nine horses were positive (Grade 1 through 4 on a scale of 1 to 5,)and were place on PalaMOUNTAINS Equine Plus. The nine horses that were positive were gastro-scoped at 3 to 4 weeks. The results were very encouraging especially in the grade 3 to 4 horses. It has been suggested Omega-3 fatty acids help reduce gastric ulceration and secretion as well as reduce stomach bacteria that cause ulceration.

[ottb dressage]

i use omnipraezol for one month three times a year, and daily neighlox, tums and ranitidine.

[Saddith]

Warmbloodmom, any updates? You have been feeding this now for 1.5 months - anything to report back with?

I am interested in these pellets, so am curious to see how it is going.

[rmj]

I found this interesting article while trying to answer my own question above about TUMS. It discusses a number of the "human" forms of these anti-ulcer drugs and the dosage for horses. (i.e., 4 Zantacs = 300 mg of Ranitidine - Ulcerguard. Or 8 Prilosec OTC = 1 dose of Gastroguard). I have not independently confirmed -- just quoting the article.

See Page 10-11 of http://www.tucsondressageclub.org/pdf/april2004.pdf

[Joie]

For anyone who uses Gastrogard and/or Ulcergard (same thing, different label) I found a compounding company that will sell tubes of the generic for $10 to a vet. (Thanks to an awesome website I found, which I will be more than happy to pass along). My vet ordered me a bunch, and is charging me a bit over what they paid. But it still beats the pants off $32 tube.
I have read that some insurance companies won't cover treatment with a generic, but otherwise, I can't see a reason not to try it if you have a willing vet. PM me if you would like the number.

[Eventer55]

My mare is on cimetidine so ,how many tums as a rule would anyone give a 1000 lb horse? And also, zantac and Ranitidine are the same thing. How come the article says 4 zantac= 300mg of ranitidine?

Also, just for conversation, I just read an article that said the generic ulcergard is not the same as the brand name.

[Warmbloodmom]

Yes, still loves them and still feeling much better with them. Highly recommended!

[RioTex]

Eventer55,
Zantac is the brand name and ranitidine is the drug name (like Advil is ibuprofen, but you can buy ibuprofen that is not Advil brand).

So, 4 pills only =300mg if they are 75mg pills regardless of what manufacturer. You can also buy 150mg OTC. I *think* the 300mg pills are only available with Rx.

This is the only source I have seen that advocates 300mg 2xs/day. The recommended dose most often seen is 6.6mg/kg, which is closer to 50 pills 2xs/day for a 1200lb horse.

[Lookout]

Wow, so many horses with ulcers! My favorite supplement is 24/7 turnout and free choice hay.

[SimpleSimon]

Wow Lookout - what do you do for a horse that has 24/7 turnout, free choice hay AND still has ulcers? Not every horse that has ulcers is kept in a stall and fed grain only.

[caballus]

24 HR. turnout in herd, free choice hay, hay extender or forage extender for "grain" if needed for extra calories or for horses who can't eat hay, Organic ABC Plus Vit/Min., no chemicals, no artificials, no colorings, no vaccinations and Ration Plus when indicated. Salads with varied veggies, fruits, nuts, seeds on regular basis (couple times week - just a handful) and if you have pine (white pine) branches with fresh needles, they'll eat those and that will help ulcers.

[Saddith]

And I wish I had 24/7 turnout! I live in a suburb of Los Angeles, and unfortunately there just isn't that kind of luxury around here. http://chronicleforums.com/images/custom_smilies/sigh.gif

I keep wishing I could move somewhere with nice big pastures, but alas the type of work we do forces us to be in this big city...

Thanks warmbloodmom for the update. I am thinking of ordering up some to try!

[jgokay]

Sheza Spy 1995-2003

Hi--

Yes, I would love the info about a generic UlcerGard...here's my email address (or you could just trespond here):

jgokay@charter.net

Have you found it just as effective as UlcerGard?

Thanks!!

Janet

[harr754]

"I found a compounding company that will sell tubes of the generic for $10 to a vet. (Thanks to an awesome website I found, which I will be more than happy to pass along). "

Joie - I'm sure many of us would be interested in this website.

[Grasshopper]

I'm thinking about starting my mare on aloe, as I think she might be prone to ulcers--much better on 24/7 turnout but I have not found a barn around here that gives anything close to free choice hay, especially to horses on pasture. Alfalfa and beet pulp seem to help, and I always give her a hay snack before I ride. I keep Ulcergard around for stressful times, but she gets really cranky about being syringed, and it is dang expensive...

BTW, for those of you with a TRADER JOE's near you, they sell 2 different kinds of aloe juice, both for about $6-7/gallon. Not sure if there's any difference between the two, I think they are both organic. And I'm much more comfortable with them than WalMart.

[Addison]

We have a pony who would nod her head and chomp on her bit when standing still during a ride (in lineup...).

She seemed to have some reflux type symptoms brought on or made worse by exercise. We started giving her 10 TumsX as she was groomed before being ridden and the symptoms disappeared completely.

If she does not get her TUMS before a ride the symptoms return. She will not eat generic TUMS and does not care for the tropical flavours.

Sweet treats/candy (peppermints) are not good for ulcer prone horses as they increase the acid content in the stomach.

G.U.T. (Gastric Ulcer Transnutrients) was highly recommended by "The Horse Journal" for long term maintenance of horses who have recovered from ulcers. It is not expensive and comes in Smart Paks.

[Loves to ride]

Warmbloodmom,

Are you still finding good results with the aloe vera pellets? Do you think they are making a difference with your horse?

Others using aloe vera for digestive issues or ulcers, are you finding a difference?

I have a confirmed cribber that I'd like to try the aloe vera pellets with. He hates the juice (won't eat anything "moist" in his bucket), but might consider the pellets. Heck, if they taste like licorice, I may eat them. http://chronicleforums.com/images/custom_smilies/lol.gif

For anyone wondering, he's on 24x7 turn-out, free choice hay, Neighlox, BOSS and minimal Poulin Sr (just enough to mix with his supplements, literally 1/8 of a 12 oz coffee can), drinks plenty of water, and he's barefoot. http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Thanks for any feedback and recommendations are always welcome!

[Eventer55]

Evntr09, if you're out there, I was wondering how long your horse has been on tract gard? I use Smart Pak and ordered the tract gard for my 3 yr old. She has only recently been diagnosed with ulcers, so I'm still in the investigatory stage. She's currently on cimetidine, alfalfa pellets,beet pulp, a small amount of oats and vitamins. Oh, and I started her on tums as well.

Any other comments on tract gard?

[seal]

I have had great success with aloe vera juice and Tums. I no longer need to feed the Tums, but they are a nice treat, my horse loves them and I love the minty breath. http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

Thanks grasshopper for the heads up regarding Trader Joe's and aloe vera juice. I totally agree with you about buying it from Walmart; better to get it organic from TJ. http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_cool.gif

[Warmbloodmom]

Yes, pellets are great! He loves them, they are tasty!

[Meadow36]

Would like to revive this old thread, as some people have been asking questions about ulcers lately (including myself).

Warmbloodmom: if you're out there - are you still using the pellets? How are the results? How much are you feeding? Do you think it's more effective then buying the juice in Wal-mart?

Thanks!!

[Char0308]

Take a look at this link it has a Horse Journal Article that reviews most of the ulcer supplements on the market today, but keep in mind the long term use of antacid types and the rebound acid effect they can have and also if you compete many of these contain forbidden subtances (like Licorice) luckily most are clear from the system within 24-48 hours so if you just want to stop them before a show and switch to something approved during your show days. Bottom line of article was U-gard was top pick and for long term use GUT and herbals we recommended (however Many herbal solutions are banned for competitions).

http://www.corta-flx.com/pdf/HJ-Mar05.pdf ( i think this artcile left out some other good products as they may not have been available at the time for review (ie. U-7, Neighlox, and tractgard).

Personally I believe that Ulcergard and Gastrogard are the only products that heal an ulcer. All the others can help control the systoms and help prevent future ulcers, but do not truly heal ulcers. Their effectiveness varies by horse it seems. If money is not a huge concern than a month of gastrogard for treatment and then 1/4 tube of Ulcergard daily for ulcer prevention. If money is more of an issue than I still recommend gastrogard as initial treatment to HEAL the ulcer than try some of the many other supplements on the market for daily maintenance and 1/4 tube of ulcergard during stressful times.

[JumpingPaints]

Take a look at this link it has a Horse Journal Article that reviews most of the ulcer supplements on the market today, but keep in mind the long term use of antacid types and the rebound acid effect they can have and also if you compete many of these contain forbidden subtances (like Licorice) luckily most are clear from the system within 24-48 hours so if you just want to stop them before a show and switch to something approved during your show days. Bottom line of article was U-gard was top pick and for long term use GUT and herbals we recommended (however Many herbal solutions are banned for competitions).

http://www.corta-flx.com/pdf/HJ-Mar05.pdf

I would also highly recommend this article - it contains comprehensive information about symptoms, lifestyle changes, types of treatments depending on severity and how they work, and product reviews.

I have used a number of products. I now use U-7, because it is not an antacid like Tums, Neighlox and any others containing high amounts of aluminum, calcium or magnesium, which as Char0308 mentioned, can cause increased rebound acid production with long term use. They work immediately to buffer the stomach acid, but then to compensate, the stomach produces more acid in response. Also, Neighlox (and others) contain aluminum, which I personally would not give it to my horses in any amount.

My horses will push each other out of the way to get their U7. I give it to them in a small bowl with a couple of ounces of aloe juice or gel, and they lick it right up. My horses also love the aloe juice or gel, just on its own. Both aloe and U7 work to coat/protect the stomach lining from acid, and U7 actually helps the stomach produce a little less acid. Herbs like slippery elm and marshmallow are also good for the stomach, and are contained in a lot of anti-ulcer supplements.

Someone asked about aloe for human ulcers. Mr. JP was scoped last week and found to have pre-ulcer lesions, that have been causing him to wake up in the middle of the night with a knawing feeling in his stomach. That night I snuck some flavored aloe juice into his bedside water, and he slept right through the night. Now he drinks it every night before bed and has not had the knawing since.

Re: Ulcergard/Gastrogard: I have used them, in addition to purchasing generic omeprazole, and they have worked well - although they do not heal 100% of horses. I would also not use them beyond the treatment period, because (and this is cited in the article linked earlier) omeprazole works by shutting down acid production in the stomach, so lesions can heal, and a side effect is that it hampers protein digestion (this may be why many high profile athletic horses like Michael Matz' and Chris Kapplers' are on U7 instead, because protein utilization is critical). Here (http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?cmd=Retrieve&db=PubMed&list_uids=9798807&dopt=Abstract) is more information on this.

If you are interested in generic omeprazole, you can do a search for "generic omeprazole" and it will come up with several suppliers. I have bought it before in pill form from www.purplediscount.com., and it took several weeks to arrive, but worked fine, although it's a hassle to feed so many pills.

[Warmbloodmom]

No, not using them anymore, they were getting pretty costly. But I did use them through April 2006 and since I have quit them the symtoms have not yet returned. Many of his lameness issues have been cleared up also (suspensory tear and fusing hocks) so he is much more comfortable and at ease with himself, so he has a lot less stress in his life. I also now feed him Ultium and he is much happier since I added that into his life.

[bobrummel13]

Does anyone have a suggestion for a less expensive place to get the AV pellets? It will cost me over $80 to get a bag from the company posted above.

Otherwise, what kind of prices are you finding for the organic AV juice? I'm in the "willing to pay slightly more for better product" corner, but if WalMart is cleap and ALMOST as good, I may go that route instead. Where does one go to get AV Juice? Can you tell I don't drink the stuff!!

[Grasshopper]

bobrummel13--

You can get organic aloe juice at Trader Joe's for the same price as Walmart, if you have a TJ's near you. It runs about $7/gallon, at least in my area.

It does need to be refrigerated, though, just as a heads-up.

[Meadow36]

Just started with the AV Juice - I've been soaking about 2 cups in some alfalfa cubes and giving it to him before I ride. He seems to really love it, and if nothing else it puts him in a really good mood. He's also been hungrier lately, which is a good sign.

I think the pellets are unique to that company.

[Janet]

Bottom line of article was U-gard was top pick and for long term use GUT and herbals we recommended (however Many herbal solutions are banned for competitions). You are reading the bottom line differently from the way I am.
After talking about U-Guard, it says Similar rapid results were obtained with Stomach Soother (use cautiously if horse is showing severe symptoms and largely off feed), G.U.T. paste and Rapid Response.

Stomach Soother (papaya) is NOT a "herbal", and can be used even under FEI rules.

[Carol Ames]

[QUOTE=caballus]24 HR. turnout in herd, free choice hay, hay extender or forage extender for "grain" if needed for extra calories or for horses who can't eat hay, Organic ABC Plus Vit/Min., no chemicals, no artificials, no colorings, no vaccinations and Ration Plus when indicated. Salads with varied veggies, fruits, nuts, seeds on regular basis (couple times week - just a handful) and




I wondered why the colts enjoyed snatching mouthfulls.

if you have pine (white pine) branches with fresh needles, they'll eat those and that will help ulcers.

[NativeCostumeNike]

Hey..

I'm curious if anyone has found anything that makes ulcers worse? Bute I know that sort of thing..

Also, none of these (besides gastroguard) as far as I know, treat ulcers.. correct?

Thanks!

[Silk]

My vote is for Neigh-Lox. I've used it very succesfully with my horse.
I liked the description of this, and I really was interested when I researched it, but it is SOOOOOO expensive. I use the U-Guard 2X and have no complaints so far.

[JumpingPaints]

Hey..

I'm curious if anyone has found anything that makes ulcers worse? Bute I know that sort of thing.. Thanks!

Some joint supplements contain Willow bark or devil's claw, both of which have actions that will contribute to/aggravate ulcers.

Even NSAIDs like topically applied Surpass will aggravate ulcers.

[TempiChanges]

I use Brewer Yeast

[gibsongrrl]

Wow, so many horses with ulcers! My favorite supplement is 24/7 turnout and free choice hay.

I have a 2 y/o Fjord filly who is on 24/7 turnout with free choice hay. Granted she is not interested in the grass hay now, but she has grass as well. I bring her in to eat and she gets 2 cups Horseman's Edge HiFat textured feed plus one cup BOSS twice a day.

She has mild flare ups with ulcers. In fact, I could tell she was brewing this morning. I found this thread and went to the local health food store and bought some liquid aloe. I mixed it well into her food (about four ounces). I gave her some chopped carrots too, in case she objected to the aloe, but she didn't object at all.

Usually when she has a flare up she will show discomfort after she eats. Tonight after trying the aloe she was just fine. Much brighter than this morning. Could be coincidental, but I'm going to keep giving it to her for awhile and see how she does. If she continues to do well with it I will probably buy the aloe pellets.

I do have a question to ask you all. Aside from the ulcer prevenative supplement, what kind of diet do you feed your horses with ulcers? I was told that a diet low in starch was recommended.

I'm mostly a lurker here, but I wanted to say I sure do enjoy reading everyone's posts. Very informative!

-Kristie

[Boston Chicken]

My horse is on Neigh-Lox and it seems (seemed) to be working, but he's had so much stress in his life with the suspensory injury and then colic, he is now back on GG for 15 days. He internalizes a lot that goes on around him and to him, so it's precautionary. He is out of work for his injury.

[FlashGordon]

Reviving the thread... as if we don't have enough ulcer talk going on lately... but I am finding a lot of this info useful!!!

[FlashGordon]

My vet had recommended this...... any thoughts??

http://www.jandlfeed.com/catalog.aspx?storename=jlfeedandfarmsupply&DeptID=216693&ItemID=9758550&detail=1

[horsegirl520]

Belated thanks Sophie and BarbB for your feedback.

Can anyone confirm that Neighlox is effective and alfalfa based (not white!).

Neighlox is a white-ish grey pellet... I don't think it is alfalfa based. My horse eats it without a problem, but I don't like the way it smells. He's been on it for years... I'm thinking about switching him to something else since most things tend to lose their effectivness after a while. I don't like the powder form of U-Gard... too much powder!!! I like pellets best, liquid second, but I feel like liquid is a much bigger hassle. I'm considering trying the Aloe Vera pellets... is there any real research supporting aloe vera??

[okggo]

Just wanted to add my 2c.

I started feeding feed grade limestone with GREAT success. It's cheap, 4 bucks for like a 50# bag. It's basically the same #1 ingredient as U-Guard = Calcium Carbonate. I put 2 on it and have noticed a huge improvement, and as I mentioned it costs less than pennies to feed per day, because they don't need much to get the same amount or a bit more than in U-Guard.

I've been looking at the U-7 but the price, particularly in the loading phase, turns me off big time.

[Melyni]

UlcerGard (omeprazole to treat), TractGard to prevent. I'd also check to see that the horse was getting enough fiber, hay, grass or chopped hay.

Yours
MW

[gabz]

Oh yeah, lots of hay, lots of grazing, lots of out (like 24/7), companions, etc. etc. I thought it would be like magic, but not.

[EquineLVR]

Are there any drawbacks to using the aloe juice or pellets that anyone is aware of?

[TrotTrotPumpkn]

Just wanted to add my 2c.

I started feeding feed grade limestone with GREAT success. It's cheap, 4 bucks for like a 50# bag. It's basically the same #1 ingredient as U-Guard = Calcium Carbonate. I put 2 on it and have noticed a huge improvement, and as I mentioned it costs less than pennies to feed per day, because they don't need much to get the same amount or a bit more than in U-Guard.

I've been looking at the U-7 but the price, particularly in the loading phase, turns me off big time.

Just curious, how did you come up with that and where do you get it?

I also want to know if there is anything to the aloe beyond anecdotal evidence?

[sublimequine]

Where are you guys finding aloe pellets? I've never heard of that! :)

[Warmbloodmom]

http://www.pharmaloe.com/html/pellets.shtml

[vxf111]

Does anyone have the scoop on the compounding pharmacy that will make up a paste of generic Ulcergard/Gastrogard for a vet?

[Trevelyan96]

I put Trav on U-guard when he seemed a little down, and he seems much happier now, as well as calmer. Great stuff.

[TrotTrotPumpkn]

Well I ordered the U-guard last night...this has been a very interesting thread.