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Help me help a friend in Illinois (aggressive dog)

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    #21
    Originally posted by candyappy View Post
    Thank you! I was beginning to wonder if I was the only one who thought this was an option. I am sorry, but this dog is dangerous to others and especially to a child who will get down into his face at the wrong time and pay the price. I know they love him, but I can't see that there is any other solution that would guarantee he doesn't bite someone else.

    edited to add: I see they are thinking along this line now. I hope they can come to a decision they feel is best.
    She was initially resistant to the idea when I mentioned it, out of concern for the kid's feelings.

    But all the great info and ideas here realy helped me organize things and lay things out for her, so that she knew it wasn't just me that saw him as a very serious case.

    I also explained the difference between her dog and the "aggressive" semi-feral rescues she saw me "fix". The links and thoughts were wonderful.

    I feel very bad for them. They are decent dog owners. They exercise and love their dogs (they only have one now). They keep them safe and are serious about staying on top of vet care. They're not the best at difficult dogs or training, but with most dogs I think they'd be okay.

    And right now they're really looking to do what's best for this dog, even if it isn't a happy ending. I'm pretty sure they'll choose to euthanize rather than risk his safety and Luther's safety in a rehome.

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    • #22
      sadly I also think that euthanasia is the best for this dog at the present time, if there were not kids and she and her husband could together put the time in for training then they could have a good chance

      however at this point the dog is a proven biter and it will take more work then they have the time for, and really it is not fair at all to put the kids in danger, and yes they are in danger of getting some nasty dog bites even from on this small.

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      • #23
        The kids will end up resenting the hell out of the dog for always trying to bite them, and the dog may end up banished to the backyard, basement, etc.

        SOME dogs are just wired wrong. It is the kindest thing possible to euthanize them, because then THEY are also released from the pain/anxiety/terror and the triggers that (from what you wrote) seem to be a daily occurrence, and aren't miserable for 15+ years (little dogs live FOREVER; my 1st dog was 19+ when she finally died naturally (b/c my mom doesn't believe in euthanizing)).

        ETA: I have dozens of ACO pals across the country. WITHOUT FAIL, the majority of the dogs they have bitten by are little ones (chihuahuas #1). People chalk it up to "they're playing", or "they're little; how much damage can they do?" (CERTAINLY not your friend, who is doing all she can to remedy the situation.)
        Last edited by 2horseygirls; Aug. 22, 2013, 01:35 PM. Reason: ETA comment
        "Let's face it -- Beezie Madden is NOT looking over her shoulder for me anytime
        soon . . . or ever, even in her worst nightmares."


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        • #24
          Would the dog owner still be against euth if the dog was a pit bull or other large breed whose bite would cause serious damage? If not, the answer should be clear.

          It amazes me how willing people are to excuse bad behavior in little dogs because of their size, and how they think training from day 1 is unnecessary in small breeds. In reality, many dogs who are aggressive without provocation are small breeds, not big scary dogs...but everyone is willing to defend the small breeds, while aggressive large breed dogs are vilified instantly. Heck, large breed dogs are often vilified without actually being aggressive individuals. It's a big peeve of mine--ALL dogs need proper training; size has nothing yo do with it.

          IMO, if owner is unwilling or unable to work with a trainer who is an expert in handling dangerous dogs, the dog should be put to sleep. If it continues biting, that's what will happen anyway...at county animal control, when it's court ordered because the dog has bitten one too many people. At least if the owner makes the decision, the dog is sent over the bridge with love instead of by strangers at the dog pound.

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          • #25
            One suggestion. If the dog is like this at the clinic, ask the vet to use some heavy IM sedation before trying to place an IV catheter or give the injection. With the IM injection they can give it and leave the room while the owners feed treats and pets until the dog falls asleep. Much less stressful than trying to just hold onto an fearful and aggressive animal. For the average happy-go-lucky dog an IV injection isn't stressful, but I think for this little guy it would be.

            I do think that euthanasia is the best outcome in this case. And DO NOT let anyone in the clinic make her feel guilty about it.
            You can't fix stupid.... but you can breed it!

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            • #26
              Originally posted by Unfforgettable View Post
              Have they checked his thyroid levels?
              The full panel too, not just the TSH.

              http://www.whole-dog-journal.com/iss...s/15723-1.html

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              • #27
                My sympathies. As a kid my family babysat a friends yorkie that was also an irrational biter (unknown to us). We had to keep a blanket in the living room to throw over him when he would go after one of us for any or no reason after being fine for a while. (That was before crates) We would scoop him up in the blanket and drop him in a bedroom and give him quiet time. We only had to deal with him for a few days but it was not fun. Even the cat got into protecting us from him. I would have gently let that dog go to another place. For sure little dogs can be quite nasty and dangerous to little people.

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                • #28
                  My grandfather had a small dog that was just mean and nasty as all get out. Bit everyone. Everyone was terrified of it. One day it came after me and I grabbed one of those wonderful black corn brooms and did a hockey slap shot with that little monster. He did fly about ten feet in the air, don't remember what he hit when he landed. He was a changed dog after that. Not a peep out of him when I was around. Everyone finally adopted the I will kill you if you even look at me funny attitude with him and he became a nice little dog. We allowed him to live to be nineteen. . Sometimes you have to be the bigger dog...
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                  • #29
                    Nothing but sympathy for this dog and his owners. I went through the same thing last fall with an aggressive rescue hound. We tried meds, training, had a full thyroid panel run, talked with a behaviorist... 99% of the time he was perfect and a fantastic family dog with our three (now four) young children; the 1% of the time when he snapped he was dangerous. The appointment had already been made, and the day before we euthanized him he suddenly went after my husband while I was walking him in our field. Had I not been able to hang onto the leash we would have been in the emergency room or worse. Like a previous poster said, the decision was simple, but absolutely not easy. It was the right decision, but I still miss him every day.

                    No advice, but I've been there, and it's so hard.

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                    • #30
                      I'm no where near qualified to give advice on this, but I did want to chime in and suggest they invest in a muzzle for him to wear while they figure out what they want to do with him...there are a lot of options out there that will be comfortable for him.

                      It's not worth the lawsuit if he gets a stranger or him biting one of the kids. I've never met a Yorkie that hasn't been at least a nipper, I don't think, but this dog's issue goes WAY beyond that. I also agree that euth might be the best option for him, unfortunately.

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                      • #31
                        Any update?
                        "Let's face it -- Beezie Madden is NOT looking over her shoulder for me anytime
                        soon . . . or ever, even in her worst nightmares."


                        Member, Higher Standards Leather Care Addicts Anonymous

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                        • #32
                          I'm curious too. The rescue I was with had an extremely aggressive dog, they did thyroid testing, but not the full panel. Refused to do the full panel (supposedly the vet said it wasn't needed, refused an MRI, but spent $$$$ on a trainer. I believe the dog was finally put down.

                          I posted about it when it happened back in the fall. So very sad.

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                          • #33
                            Just saw this thread. If the dog hasn't been euthanized yet and they want to have him evaluated by a professional, they could. Contact trainer Hector Hernandez in Michigan. I went to seminar that he gave on how not to be bit by a dog. He was quite impressive. He will travel to people's homes to evaluate the dog. He has a website. They should check it out.

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                              #34
                              I sent her a message but haven't heard back.

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