• Welcome to the Chronicle Forums.
    Please complete your profile. The forums and the rest of www.chronofhorse.com has single sign-in, so your log in information for one will automatically work for the other. Disclaimer: The opinions expressed here are the views of the individual and do not necessarily reflect the views and opinions of The Chronicle of the Horse.

Announcement

Collapse

Forum rules and no-advertising policy

As a participant on this forum, it is your responsibility to know and follow our rules. Please read this message in its entirety.

Board Rules

1. You’re responsible for what you say.
As outlined in Section 230 of the Communications Decency Act, The Chronicle of the Horse and its affiliates, as well Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd., the developers of vBulletin, are not legally responsible for statements made in the forums.

This is a public forum viewed by a wide spectrum of people, so please be mindful of what you say and who might be reading it—details of personal disputes are likely better handled privately. While posters are legally responsible for their statements, the moderators may in their discretion remove or edit posts that violate these rules. Users have the ability to modify or delete their own messages after posting, but administrators generally will not delete posts, threads or accounts upon request.

Outright inflammatory, vulgar, harassing, malicious or otherwise inappropriate statements and criminal charges unsubstantiated by a reputable news source or legal documentation will not be tolerated and will be dealt with at the discretion of the moderators.

2. Conversations in horse-related forums should be horse-related.
The forums are a wonderful source of information and support for members of the horse community. While it’s understandably tempting to share information or search for input on other topics upon which members might have a similar level of knowledge, members must maintain the focus on horses.

3. Keep conversations productive, on topic and civil.
Discussion and disagreement are inevitable and encouraged; personal insults, diatribes and sniping comments are unproductive and unacceptable. Whether a subject is light-hearted or serious, keep posts focused on the current topic and of general interest to other participants of that thread. Utilize the private message feature or personal email where appropriate to address side topics or personal issues not related to the topic at large.

4. No advertising in the discussion forums.
Posts in the discussion forums directly or indirectly advertising horses, jobs, items or services for sale or wanted will be removed at the discretion of the moderators. Use of the private messaging feature or email addresses obtained through users’ profiles for unsolicited advertising is not permitted.

Company representatives may participate in discussions and answer questions about their products or services, or suggest their products on recent threads if they fulfill the criteria of a query. False "testimonials" provided by company affiliates posing as general consumers are not appropriate, and self-promotion of sales, ad campaigns, etc. through the discussion forums is not allowed.

Paid advertising is available on our classifieds site and through the purchase of banner ads. The tightly monitored Giveaways forum permits free listings of genuinely free horses and items available or wanted (on a limited basis). Items offered for trade are not allowed.

Advertising Policy Specifics
When in doubt of whether something you want to post constitutes advertising, please contact a moderator privately in advance for further clarification. Refer to the following points for general guidelines:

Horses – Only general discussion about the buying, leasing, selling and pricing of horses is permitted. If the post contains, or links to, the type of specific information typically found in a sales or wanted ad, and it’s related to a horse for sale, regardless of who’s selling it, it doesn’t belong in the discussion forums.

Stallions – Board members may ask for suggestions on breeding stallion recommendations. Stallion owners may reply to such queries by suggesting their own stallions, only if their horse fits the specific criteria of the original poster. Excessive promotion of a stallion by its owner or related parties is not permitted and will be addressed at the discretion of the moderators.

Services – Members may use the forums to ask for general recommendations of trainers, barns, shippers, farriers, etc., and other members may answer those requests by suggesting themselves or their company, if their services fulfill the specific criteria of the original post. Members may not solicit other members for business if it is not in response to a direct, genuine query.

Products – While members may ask for general opinions and suggestions on equipment, trailers, trucks, etc., they may not list the specific attributes for which they are in the market, as such posts serve as wanted ads.

Event Announcements – Members may post one notification of an upcoming event that may be of interest to fellow members, if the original poster does not benefit financially from the event. Such threads may not be “bumped” excessively. Premium members may post their own notices in the Event Announcements forum.

Charities/Rescues – Announcements for charitable or fundraising events can only be made for 501(c)(3) tax-exempt organizations. Special exceptions may be made, at the moderators’ discretion and direction, for board-related events or fundraising activities in extraordinary circumstances.

Occasional posts regarding horses available for adoption through IRS-registered horse rescue or placement programs are permitted in the appropriate forums, but these threads may be limited at the discretion of the moderators. Individuals may not advertise or make announcements for horses in need of rescue, placement or adoption unless the horse is available through a recognized rescue or placement agency or government-run entity or the thread fits the criteria for and is located in the Giveaways forum.

5. Do not post copyrighted photographs unless you have purchased that photo and have permission to do so.

6. Respect other members.
As members are often passionate about their beliefs and intentions can easily be misinterpreted in this type of environment, try to explore or resolve the inevitable disagreements that arise in the course of threads calmly and rationally.

If you see a post that you feel violates the rules of the board, please click the “alert” button (exclamation point inside of a triangle) in the bottom left corner of the post, which will alert ONLY the moderators to the post in question. They will then take whatever action, or no action, as deemed appropriate for the situation at their discretion. Do not air grievances regarding other posters or the moderators in the discussion forums.

Please be advised that adding another user to your “Ignore” list via your User Control Panel can be a useful tactic, which blocks posts and private messages by members whose commentary you’d rather avoid reading.

7. We have the right to reproduce statements made in the forums.
The Chronicle of the Horse may copy, quote, link to or otherwise reproduce posts, or portions of posts, in print or online for advertising or editorial purposes, if attributed to their original authors, and by posting in this forum, you hereby grant to The Chronicle of the Horse a perpetual, non-exclusive license under copyright and other rights, to do so.

8. We reserve the right to enforce and amend the rules.
The moderators may delete, edit, move or close any post or thread at any time, or refrain from doing any of the foregoing, in their discretion, and may suspend or revoke a user’s membership privileges at any time to maintain adherence to the rules and the general spirit of the forum. These rules may be amended at any time to address the current needs of the board.

Please see our full Terms of Service and Privacy Policy for more information.

Thanks for being a part of the COTH forums!

(Revised 1/26/16)
See more
See less

"I love thunderstorm season!" said no dog owner ever!

Collapse
X
  • Filter
  • Time
  • Show
Clear All
new posts

  • "I love thunderstorm season!" said no dog owner ever!

    We have an 8 year old Golden who really, really does not like thunderstorms. He isn't destructive, just paces and pants and shakes and tries to fit into places that he can't, wedges himself behind us if we're sitting on the couch, tries to wedge himself underneath us if we're sleeping...

    We bougth him a Thundercoat, and while that does seem to help with the very mild storms (like when you can barely hear the grumbling of the thunder), it does nothing for the ones that you can REALLY hear.

    We have a prescription for Xanax for him (we tried ace, and all that did was wind him up more and made him very antsy, then when the storm ended, he slept for hours ).

    I would like not to have to drug him every time, and obviously this method is only ideal if I can drug him about an hour before the storm starts...which is almost impossible because I'm not always home then, and I don't want to drug him "just in case" and then have it not storm at all.

    Has anyone fed a daily calming supplement that helps to take the edge off throughout thunderstorm season?

    The cattle dog couldn't care less about the storms no matter how loud and gets annoyed at the Golden for keeping him awake
    "If you think nobody cares about you, try missing a couple payments..."

  • #2
    We had an old dog we recently lost, that was the same way. I came home to find the music blasting in the house loud as a rock concert. It seems the dog didnt mind the storms as much or not at all when the music or TV was blasting. This worked for us because we are very rural and didnt have to worry about noise complaints. Not so great for middle of the night storms.
    I agree drugging does not help. I feel for you, this is tuff to deal with, and hard to watch them go through. Good luck, and hope you find a solution.
    Just like our eyes, our hearts have a way of adjusting to the dark.--Adam Stanley

    Comment

    • Original Poster

      #3
      Yes, if we are home, we will either turn the TV up or the radio up, and it does seem to help drown out the noise of the storm. Not a good middle of the night option, but works when we are home and not trying to sleep

      Also, during the day if the weather is calling for storms, we will leave the radio on while we are at work.
      "If you think nobody cares about you, try missing a couple payments..."

      Comment

      • Original Poster

        #4
        We were going to try Rescue Remedy, but then I happened upon this:

        http://voices.yahoo.com/review-dont-...y-2563999.html

        I'm not sure the author is a valid contributor, but that is one story out there in any case. It's cheap enough, maybe we'll give it a try and see.
        "If you think nobody cares about you, try missing a couple payments..."

        Comment


        • #5
          Does he have a 'den' he can hide in when you aren't home? Like a crate with a sheet over it in a closet or something. Then at least he can feel safe and secure when nobody is home with him.

          We used to give our anxious hound calming treats from Pet Naturals of Vermont when we left because he would go nuts and destroy...everything. (link: http://www.petnaturals.com/index.php...il&p=700864021) Or trainer swore by them, and we did see a fairly large improvement in his anxiety. They also help our JRT during the dreaded toenail clipping. Might be worth a shot!

          Comment

          • Original Poster

            #6
            Yes, he has a crate that is covered in a dark blanket, but he doesn't like to use it (and locking him in it just makes him worse). He prefers to try to wedge himself under the end table by the couch, behind our shoe rack (which is smaller then him so not much coverage there...) anywhere he doesn't really fit that well.
            "If you think nobody cares about you, try missing a couple payments..."

            Comment


            • #7
              Have you tried melatonin? You'll have to google for the dose, but it works for my cocker and collie. Collie gets a full 3mg tablet, cocker gets 1/2 tablet.

              Comment


              • #8
                It's tougher when it's an adult dog, but sometimes redirecting works with adults too. I always always "train" new pups to like thunderstorms. Every time it even rumbles a bit outside, I grab handfuls of little treats and start bouncing around, using the squeaky-high play voice and play like heck with them while randomly giving them little tidbits. The louder the thunder gets, the more rambunctious the play to distract and redirect energy. It works with most pups and has worked with a few adults, but some are just going to hate thunderstorms no matter what. The downside to teaching them storms are fun is that I've had more than one dog go bananas-happy and get the zoomies every time it stormed outside, LOL! When you've only had big dogs it's a bit "exciting" to have them charge ad leap on you with a toy starts thundering outside.
                You jump in the saddle,
                Hold onto the bridle!
                Jump in the line!
                ...Belefonte

                Comment


                • #9
                  Ugh I feel your pain. Last night I was happily sleeping away when a storm came in and Jack my Lab started up, he barks during thunder storms. It's very annoying. You can't get him to shut up. The other two dogs just cuddled up closer to me and stayed asleep. Got back to sleep when another storm rolled in and the barking started again. *sigh* He hates fireworks too. Usually on the fourth of July I have the TV blaring for him. He likes to go outside and hide under that stairs.
                  Missouri Fox Trotters-To ride one is to own one

                  Standardbreds, so much more then a harness racing horse.

                  Comment


                  • #10
                    Great thread title

                    We have just moved from WI to MD, so not much change in the thunderstorms, but the younger dog was quite unsettled by the move & thunderstorms became scarier for him. We bought the thunder shirt. Hasn't cured him but has helped. We also made him a nest, & I subsequently found these fantastic dog tents at the CVS drugstore for the whopping price of $9.99! That, along with a fleece rig & a cushion to hide behind has really helped. Amazon & overstock sell them for about $20. We now have really gone to town & have one upstairs, beside our bed, & one downstairs in the kitchen. Obviously they offer zero real protection, but to him, it makes all the difference

                    http://www.overstock.com/Pet-Supplie...2/product.html

                    Comment

                    • Original Poster

                      #11
                      We have tried:

                      ignoring him (if we are sleeping already, he digs at the bedroom door to get in, adn then if we let him in, he tries to "hide" underneath us in the bed or burrows under our pillows...this is not condusive to a good night's sleep...)

                      Thundershirt

                      Ace - just made him extremely antsy until the storm ended, then he fell asleep for hours

                      Xanax - works if we can get it into him ahead of time, but this isn't always possible and I don't want to have to drug him just in case

                      We have tried distracting him by playing but no go there. He prefers to just pace, pant, and hide.

                      He actually is BETTER if we are outside during a storm, and his annoying behaviors are much less...he doesn't get as anxious if we are outside. Obviously though, this is not an option!!!
                      "If you think nobody cares about you, try missing a couple payments..."

                      Comment


                      • #12
                        I use a thundershirt. My guy likes to hide in my shower stall, so I close all the windows and blinds in my bedroom and turn on the radio. I got the thundershirt after I found that wrapping him up in a big blanket seemed to help.

                        Comment


                        • #13
                          Originally posted by SuckerForHorses View Post
                          We were going to try Rescue Remedy, but then I happened upon this:

                          http://voices.yahoo.com/review-dont-...y-2563999.html

                          I'm not sure the author is a valid contributor, but that is one story out there in any case. It's cheap enough, maybe we'll give it a try and see.
                          Actually, I DID have limited success with "Rescue Remedy" for my unbelievably thunderstorm-berserk Husky (like trying to hurl herself through plate-glass windows berserk). And since she wouldn't have any inkling of the "placebo" theory, I can only surmise that it DID work. The biggest problem was that you had to administer it to the dog (I just put a few drops on a dog cookie) well in advance of the storm, & too often the storms just came up too quickly. So even though I'd still give her the "Rescue Remedy", I also crated her & covered her crate with a large sheet.

                          Tried several pharmaceuticals via my vet, but the benefits weren't much better than the RR, & had the unfortunate side effect of making her a peeing machine for days afterwards.

                          Comment

                          • Original Poster

                            #14
                            I am pretty sure (not 100%) that Rescue Remedy can safely be given daily?
                            "If you think nobody cares about you, try missing a couple payments..."

                            Comment


                            • #15
                              We're fortunate in that ours aren't too bad. The ACD/JRT mix could care less, she's not afraid of ANYTHING. The BC mix is a bit more worried...she'll pace a bit and move from bed to bed, as if she can't get comfortable, but no out of control panting or shaking. She settles down once she locates the ACD/JRT and sleeps right next to her. The ACD/JRT is 16, I'm a bit concerned with the BC mix's sense of security when the brave old dog is no longer here.

                              Comment


                              • #16
                                Fortunately ace works for mine! She only needs 1/2 a tablet, at 50lbs or so. The dosage is 1 - 4, so the first time I gave her 2, and she was so drunk she couldn't walk! It IS a pain having to give it to her in advance though.

                                I don't have much to contribute because I haven't solved it either. She's better now that she's lived through several with the drugs, but she still paces and whines. Makes me feel bad.
                                Pisgah: 2000 AHHA (Holsteiner x TB) Mare (lower level eventing, with a focus on dressage)

                                Darcy: 7? year old Border Collie x Rottweiler? Drama Queen extraordinaire, rescued from the pound in Jan 2010

                                Comment

                                • Original Poster

                                  #17
                                  He gets worse as he gets older too.
                                  "If you think nobody cares about you, try missing a couple payments..."

                                  Comment


                                  • #18
                                    Mine was too, and that's what prompted me to get the drugs!

                                    I don't do needles, which is why I have the ace tablets. Obviously if you could do something injected it would be faster acting. But then you'd be limited to whoever could give shots.
                                    Pisgah: 2000 AHHA (Holsteiner x TB) Mare (lower level eventing, with a focus on dressage)

                                    Darcy: 7? year old Border Collie x Rottweiler? Drama Queen extraordinaire, rescued from the pound in Jan 2010

                                    Comment


                                    • #19
                                      I haven't read all the way through, so forgive me if this has already been suggested. Have you thought about melatonin? The studies done on its effectiveness against noise anxiety in dogs were actually done by the Golden community. My dogs have no issues with thunder, the old man doesn't give a rip about fireworks anymore (he's deaf now), but I use melatonin when I know the young dog will be in a loud, chaotic, scary-to-him situation and it works. He's still reactive to commands and active, just not completely tripped out by the mess going on around him.

                                      ETA: I see LauraKY suggested melatonin after successful results, too. Might want to give it a try! Heaven knows it's cheap, too!
                                      Last edited by Kenike; May. 22, 2013, 04:24 PM. Reason: Added info and typo
                                      "IT'S NOT THE MOUNTAIN WE CONQUER, BUT OURSELVES." SIR EDMUND HILLARYMember of the "Someone Special To Me Serves In The Military" Clique

                                      Comment


                                      • #20
                                        Originally posted by SuckerForHorses View Post
                                        We have tried distracting him by playing but no go there. He prefers to just pace, pant, and hide.
                                        I feel your pain, my dog does the same thing. I tried Rescue Remedy and the Thundershirt, and they both seemed to have a long-term effect. After using them a few times, she seemed to get less upset. She was originally shuddering with fear, repeated waves of deep, hard shaking, which scared the heck out of me because it seemed like something that could actually hurt her. That eased off with the Thundershirt and RR. What calmed her the most was being allowed to find and be close to her beloved cat.

                                        One good thing about age - she's a little deaf now, and not as sensitive to the thunder. I realize they're supposedly reacting to the pressure drop, but I'd swear she's now sleeping through things that would have had her up and pacing a few years ago.

                                        Comment

                                        Working...
                                        X