• Welcome to the Chronicle Forums.
    Please complete your profile. The forums and the rest of www.chronofhorse.com has single sign-in, so your log in information for one will automatically work for the other. Disclaimer: The opinions expressed here are the views of the individual and do not necessarily reflect the views and opinions of The Chronicle of the Horse.

Announcement

Collapse

Forum rules and no-advertising policy

As a participant on this forum, it is your responsibility to know and follow our rules. Please read this message in its entirety.

Board Rules

1. You’re responsible for what you say.
As outlined in Section 230 of the Communications Decency Act, The Chronicle of the Horse and its affiliates, as well Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd., the developers of vBulletin, are not legally responsible for statements made in the forums.

This is a public forum viewed by a wide spectrum of people, so please be mindful of what you say and who might be reading it—details of personal disputes are likely better handled privately. While posters are legally responsible for their statements, the moderators may in their discretion remove or edit posts that violate these rules. Users have the ability to modify or delete their own messages after posting, but administrators generally will not delete posts, threads or accounts upon request.

Outright inflammatory, vulgar, harassing, malicious or otherwise inappropriate statements and criminal charges unsubstantiated by a reputable news source or legal documentation will not be tolerated and will be dealt with at the discretion of the moderators.

2. Conversations in horse-related forums should be horse-related.
The forums are a wonderful source of information and support for members of the horse community. While it’s understandably tempting to share information or search for input on other topics upon which members might have a similar level of knowledge, members must maintain the focus on horses.

3. Keep conversations productive, on topic and civil.
Discussion and disagreement are inevitable and encouraged; personal insults, diatribes and sniping comments are unproductive and unacceptable. Whether a subject is light-hearted or serious, keep posts focused on the current topic and of general interest to other participants of that thread. Utilize the private message feature or personal email where appropriate to address side topics or personal issues not related to the topic at large.

4. No advertising in the discussion forums.
Posts in the discussion forums directly or indirectly advertising horses, jobs, items or services for sale or wanted will be removed at the discretion of the moderators. Use of the private messaging feature or email addresses obtained through users’ profiles for unsolicited advertising is not permitted.

Company representatives may participate in discussions and answer questions about their products or services, or suggest their products on recent threads if they fulfill the criteria of a query. False "testimonials" provided by company affiliates posing as general consumers are not appropriate, and self-promotion of sales, ad campaigns, etc. through the discussion forums is not allowed.

Paid advertising is available on our classifieds site and through the purchase of banner ads. The tightly monitored Giveaways forum permits free listings of genuinely free horses and items available or wanted (on a limited basis). Items offered for trade are not allowed.

Advertising Policy Specifics
When in doubt of whether something you want to post constitutes advertising, please contact a moderator privately in advance for further clarification. Refer to the following points for general guidelines:

Horses – Only general discussion about the buying, leasing, selling and pricing of horses is permitted. If the post contains, or links to, the type of specific information typically found in a sales or wanted ad, and it’s related to a horse for sale, regardless of who’s selling it, it doesn’t belong in the discussion forums.

Stallions – Board members may ask for suggestions on breeding stallion recommendations. Stallion owners may reply to such queries by suggesting their own stallions, only if their horse fits the specific criteria of the original poster. Excessive promotion of a stallion by its owner or related parties is not permitted and will be addressed at the discretion of the moderators.

Services – Members may use the forums to ask for general recommendations of trainers, barns, shippers, farriers, etc., and other members may answer those requests by suggesting themselves or their company, if their services fulfill the specific criteria of the original post. Members may not solicit other members for business if it is not in response to a direct, genuine query.

Products – While members may ask for general opinions and suggestions on equipment, trailers, trucks, etc., they may not list the specific attributes for which they are in the market, as such posts serve as wanted ads.

Event Announcements – Members may post one notification of an upcoming event that may be of interest to fellow members, if the original poster does not benefit financially from the event. Such threads may not be “bumped” excessively. Premium members may post their own notices in the Event Announcements forum.

Charities/Rescues – Announcements for charitable or fundraising events can only be made for 501(c)(3) tax-exempt organizations. Special exceptions may be made, at the moderators’ discretion and direction, for board-related events or fundraising activities in extraordinary circumstances.

Occasional posts regarding horses available for adoption through IRS-registered horse rescue or placement programs are permitted in the appropriate forums, but these threads may be limited at the discretion of the moderators. Individuals may not advertise or make announcements for horses in need of rescue, placement or adoption unless the horse is available through a recognized rescue or placement agency or government-run entity or the thread fits the criteria for and is located in the Giveaways forum.

5. Do not post copyrighted photographs unless you have purchased that photo and have permission to do so.

6. Respect other members.
As members are often passionate about their beliefs and intentions can easily be misinterpreted in this type of environment, try to explore or resolve the inevitable disagreements that arise in the course of threads calmly and rationally.

If you see a post that you feel violates the rules of the board, please click the “alert” button (exclamation point inside of a triangle) in the bottom left corner of the post, which will alert ONLY the moderators to the post in question. They will then take whatever action, or no action, as deemed appropriate for the situation at their discretion. Do not air grievances regarding other posters or the moderators in the discussion forums.

Please be advised that adding another user to your “Ignore” list via your User Control Panel can be a useful tactic, which blocks posts and private messages by members whose commentary you’d rather avoid reading.

7. We have the right to reproduce statements made in the forums.
The Chronicle of the Horse may copy, quote, link to or otherwise reproduce posts, or portions of posts, in print or online for advertising or editorial purposes, if attributed to their original authors, and by posting in this forum, you hereby grant to The Chronicle of the Horse a perpetual, non-exclusive license under copyright and other rights, to do so.

8. We reserve the right to enforce and amend the rules.
The moderators may delete, edit, move or close any post or thread at any time, or refrain from doing any of the foregoing, in their discretion, and may suspend or revoke a user’s membership privileges at any time to maintain adherence to the rules and the general spirit of the forum. These rules may be amended at any time to address the current needs of the board.

Please see our full Terms of Service and Privacy Policy for more information.

Thanks for being a part of the COTH forums!

(Revised 1/26/16)
See more
See less

Washington Post- Man Charged/w Cruelty for Dog in Car

Collapse
X
  • Filter
  • Time
  • Show
Clear All
new posts

  • Washington Post- Man Charged/w Cruelty for Dog in Car

    Animal control officers, responding to a report, found a terrier in a vehicle. The dog was not injured. A North Carolina man was charged with animal cruelty.

    Link here

    How is leaving a dog in a car on a cool day animal cruelty? Nothing was wrong with the dog. Why the heck was the owner charged?!

    My dog is left in the car frequently if I have to stop to or from class or if I'm combining errands (to a pet-friendly stores with those of a non). Sometimes I take a dog intentionally so they get one-on-one-time out of the house.

    This happened in my county. Is someone gonna report me? From the little info available, this is ridiculous.

  • #2
    Too few details to go on.

    Was the dog tethered too tight to something? Was it extra skinny or excessively filthy? Had it been left in the vehicle for an extraordinary amount of time (like 8 or more hours)?

    Just by how it's worded, it sounds completely bogus, I agree.
    Last edited by VaqueroToro; Dec. 13, 2012, 03:13 PM. Reason: I can has grammar.

    Comment


    • #3
      Please keep us posted if you find out more details. Agree, if it is cool, what is the problem? Geez, if I can't take my dogs places with me now even in the winter, I'm going to be really, really upset.
      If thou hast a sorrow, tell it not to the arrow, tell it to thy saddlebow, and ride on, singing. -- King Alfred the Great

      Comment


      • #4
        Cripes. Thanks for posting so I don't get charged with animal cruelty by taking my car ride loving dogs with me somewhere and leaving them, windows down in 50 degree temps, to say...the grocery store. Something I did yesterday in Fairfax county!!!!

        Wonder what is really up with that? I just can't imagine that being animal cruelty. Not in this weather.
        A good horseman doesn't have to tell anyone...the horse already knows.

        Might be a reason, never an excuse...

        Comment


        • #5
          There is no law against leaving pets in a car, however it is against VA code - and they say it in vague terms that require some thinking - to leave a pet in a car on a hot day as you are considered to be inflicting harm upon it. I don't remember what the weather was like that day but it might have been warm or it may be that the dog was locked in the car for an extensive period of time, which can also be considered a violation of the law.
          Thus do we growl that our big toes have, at this moment, been thrown up from below!

          Comment


          • #6
            Lex, it was yesterday that they posted it. Were you hot outside? I mean, I recall shivering a bit outside without a heavy coat. And in the car, it was very comfortable without heat or air. This is kind of eye opening to me as I am accustomed to taking my dogs with me when I can as I run errands....
            A good horseman doesn't have to tell anyone...the horse already knows.

            Might be a reason, never an excuse...

            Comment


            • #7
              That was a "crime report" which lists incidents that occur over a period of time. The incident in question was on December 1st, in the evening. It may have been a very warm day or there may have been other factors like the dog was found in it's own wastes, left in the vehicle for a significant period of time, or some other such thing.
              Thus do we growl that our big toes have, at this moment, been thrown up from below!

              Comment

              • Original Poster

                #8
                I can't find any more info. The thing is, a passerby would not know how long my dog has been in a car. More importantly, who gets to determine how long is too long?

                Some field trial and protection sports people, among others, take their dogs to work and leave them in the car all day, exercising them intermittently. From the little info we have, AC needs better discretionary judgement to evaluate the scene for what it is.

                Comment


                • #9
                  Originally posted by Bicoastal View Post
                  From the little info we have, AC needs better discretionary judgement to evaluate the scene for what it is.
                  That's the thing...they give squat for details. There might be extenuating circumstances that we're (the public) not privy to for this case that might have been the real reason why charges were pressed.

                  And bringing up charges doesn't mean that they'll stick either. The courts may see this particular case as as asinine as we're all seeing it from face value and drop all charges.

                  Comment


                  • #10
                    Some of you people must be physic.

                    The only facts we actually know- A report was made about a dog in a car. AC responded and found a dog in the car. The dog was uninjured. A man was charged with animal cruelty.

                    That's it. There is absolutely no way to make any kind of informed opinion or extrapolate on how this affects anyone else based on what we actually know.

                    What we don't know- why was the report made? Was the dog showing signs of distress? How long had the person who made the report been observing the dog in the car? What was the exact temperature at the time of the report? Were there other factors there that could affect the temperature? Was the man charged the dog's owner? Was the charge directly related to the dog being in the car? And so on and so on.

                    Comment


                    • #11
                      Originally posted by VaqueroToro View Post
                      Too few details to go on.

                      Was the dog tethered too tight to something? Was it extra skinny or excessively filthy? Had it been left in the vehicle for an extraordinary amount of time (like 8 or more hours)?

                      Just by how it's worded, it sounds completely bogus, I agree.
                      I once knew a doctor who often worked all night at the hospital, and if it was cool she would take her dog and he would sit in her car all night long (with water, loose in the car). He loved to go - probably enjoyed it more than sitting in a crate at home.

                      It definitely would be interesting to know more facts about why the owner was charged with cruelty. I leave my dogs in the car as long as the temperature is cool enough. I recently went to the hair salon, which takes a couple of hours, and I had my dog with me and didn't have time to take him home first. I set up a bowl of water and a towel, and he slept in the car the entire time. The temperature was cool, so there was no danger of overheating. Now obviously on a warm day, I would never do that. I am on the conservative side, and if it is over about 65 degrees, then they only ride along if they don't have to stay in the car by themselves.

                      Comment


                      • #12
                        Originally posted by Casey09 View Post
                        I once knew a doctor who often worked all night at the hospital, and if it was cool she would take her dog and he would sit in her car all night long (with water, loose in the car). He loved to go - probably enjoyed it more than sitting in a crate at home.

                        It definitely would be interesting to know more facts about why the owner was charged with cruelty. I leave my dogs in the car as long as the temperature is cool enough. I recently went to the hair salon, which takes a couple of hours, and I had my dog with me and didn't have time to take him home first. I set up a bowl of water and a towel, and he slept in the car the entire time. The temperature was cool, so there was no danger of overheating. Now obviously on a warm day, I would never do that. I am on the conservative side, and if it is over about 65 degrees, then they only ride along if they don't have to stay in the car by themselves.
                        Agreed, not enough details in the report to make a judgement. I hope someone seeing my dog in the car does the same thought process.

                        When My Dobe is in the car, I get to check on him periodically. Even go for a walk. He doesn't get that kind of attention sitting in a crate at home.

                        PS: the back of the car is bigger than his extra large crate.
                        Equus makus brokus but happy

                        Comment

                        • Original Poster

                          #13
                          Originally posted by hosspuller View Post
                          I hope someone seeing my dog in the car does the same thought process.
                          That is exactly why this report drew my attention and I brought it to COTH. I don't have much faith in the thought processes of the general public. Joe Shmoe's thought processes seem further compromised when evaluating toy dogs (my dogs), which are considered to be either delicate purse-toted babies or stuffed animals.

                          Since it is cold anyway, I'll just cover crates when I leave my dogs in the car.

                          Comment

                          Working...
                          X