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    I am petsitting a dog that lives outside because his owners don't know how to train him. He lives outside during the day and is in the crate overnight. He is insanely lonely so I brought him to my house while they are gone and would like to try to housebreak him for them in the hopes they will start letting him spend some time inside. So far it is going well except he marks inside the house just like he does outside. He is on a leash in the house so I have been able to stop him from actually peeing on anything but that is his constant focus when he is anywhere other than tied in the kitchen next the dog bed.

    I am guessing the key is to get him to stop marking outside as well but am not sure that is possible when they leave him outside alone for 15 hours per day. Think it is doable or should I just give him one really happy week before he goes back home?
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    Have you tried a belly band?

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      #3
      No, I haven't tried anything other than keeping him on a leash and telling him no when he lifts his leg. I don't want to physically stop him from marking, I want to teach him not to mark because I don't think the owners will follow through with anything.
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      • #4
        You are not going to reshape his behavior in a week and have him 100% housebroke. I would pop on a belly band and let him roam around the house (within reason) and hang out with you.

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          #5
          I am more or less doing that except he is on a leash. This dog is soooo happy right now it is sort of heartbreaking. He is going to be so sad when he goes home and gets tossed back out in the yard!
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            #6
            Let's say this were my dog so time was not an issue, would I have to stop the marking outside in order to stop the attempting marking inside or do they eventually learn that it is ok to mark outside but not inside? He has not made any attempt to "go to the bathroom" in the house, he just has this urge to mark. I have never had a dog that marked as I castrate all my dogs before they pick up that behavior so this is a new one to me. I think I have a shot if I can get him to stop marking inside but allow him to mark outside. If I have to make him stop both, we are in trouble.
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              My dog marks incessantly outside but not in my house. A few times he has struggled with transferring this knowledge to new situations where a house has evidence of past dogs urinating. He was house broken before he started marking which helped. Whenever he attempted to mark inside I made him think the world was going to end for about two seconds. Raised voice, chucked a toy, clapped my hands, whatever was handy. We immediately went outside so he could pee (or mark) and then we had a peepee party outside. He is exceptionally sensitive and smart so he made the connection very quickly and it hasn't been much of an issue. The only time he really struggled was at my parents place and I kept a belly band on him for a few visits and he figured out he would rather ask to go outside to mark then pee on himself/get in trouble.

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                That's good to hear, maybe he has a chance then. They told me he was crazy and would attack other dogs and such but aside from attempting to mark in the house he was been the perfect house guest and is so happy he is beside himself. He is actually behaving submissively to my dogs, even the wussy one and is ignoring the cats.
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                • #9
                  Yes, of course you can housetrain males to never mark indoors, though they may mark a great deal outdoors. You can also teach them not to mark outdoors while on lead unless given permission, or any other set of "rules of marking conduct" you wish to teach. I can't imagine why you would want to teach them never to mark at all, even when unsupervised outdoors, I do think that would be tough (and pointless). However, sometimes dogs do not generalize from one house to another
                  (even bitches or altered animals of both sexes), so it is wise to supervise any dog closely when they are in another house, until it is clear they know what the deal is.

                  Sometimes males have problems with "transitional spaces" like porches, decks, patios, garages, etc., where we do not want them to mark, but once it is clarified they are usually fine. Also do be extra wary if a visiting dog has marked or urinated, or when bringing in the Christmas tree!

                  You may not be doing this dog any favors by showering him with attention and affection for one weekend. He will not refrain from marking in his owners' house even if you get him started in your house. If the owners are not home during the day, he may actually be happier outdoors during the day rather than crated or closely confined, if his owners are not at home. However, perhaps you could report on your progress with him, and tell his owners how you went about house training him, so perhaps they could begin to work on doing that by having him on lead in the house in the evenings, mornings, or weekends while they are at home. He could then begin to learn not to mark in their house.

                  But you cannot teach him not to mark in their house in one weekend at your house. You could make a constructive beginning, though.

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                    Thanks for the insight. I have him for a week, not a weekend but I know that isn't much time. I brought him here to make my life easier as I was worried about him being in the crate so long overnight. They leave him outside until they go to bed so he isn't in the crate as long as when I am caring for all the animals. They have a nice dog and they don't even know it. I would like to change that at least a little if possible.
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                      Originally posted by GraceLikeRain View Post
                      My dog marks incessantly outside but not in my house. A few times he has struggled with transferring this knowledge to new situations where a house has evidence of past dogs urinating. He was house broken before he started marking which helped. Whenever he attempted to mark inside I made him think the world was going to end for about two seconds. Raised voice, chucked a toy, clapped my hands, whatever was handy. We immediately went outside so he could pee (or mark) and then we had a peepee party outside. He is exceptionally sensitive and smart so he made the connection very quickly and it hasn't been much of an issue. The only time he really struggled was at my parents place and I kept a belly band on him for a few visits and he figured out he would rather ask to go outside to mark then pee on himself/get in trouble.
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                      This!! I had a "Verbal" CTJ meeting with a big male GSD who had never been inside of a house. Threatened his life if he "ever" peed in MY house again. He never did in 14 years!!! Sometimes they "do" because no one ever told them not to!!
                      What's the deal with a belly band?? Never heard of that!! You wrap their whosits"???
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                        Oh, OK that makes more sense. I don't blame you for not wanting to crate him more than overnight.

                        You should be able to make considerable progress if you are diligent. Just do not ever leave him in the house unsupervised for even a minute. Leashed to you, under your direct gaze, or crated or outside.

                        You can work on having him sit for everything, too, that will really help in many ways.

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                          Another thing I've tried is to spray Lysol, Pine oil or some other unpleasant (for a dog) product on the bottom or corner of any appealing marking sites. The boys usually sniff before they shoot.
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                            Originally posted by crosscreeksh View Post
                            Another thing I've tried is to spray Lysol, Pine oil or some other unpleasant (for a dog) product on the bottom or corner of any appealing marking sites. The boys usually sniff before they shoot.
                            Spray in my house or outside? As long as I don't have to stop it outside to stop it inside I don't care what he marks on outside. So far, so good.
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                              I spray inside...the corners of chairs, sofas, tables, kitchen counters. Febreeze works, too, but not as well. IMO...mature boy dogs lift their legs to pee..everyone I ever saw, so you can't stop the behavior, just set limits inside the house. I have a male Gr. Pyrennes and he has NEVER - in 7 + years peed in his own grassy fwnced yard or in the house when he became a house dog in the summer of 2011 when temps stayed in the one hundred and teens for 6 weeks. Out side and around the farm he lifts his leg a hundred times a day!!! OK by me...just not in the house!!!
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                              • #16
                                Sounds like he needs to come to live at your house so that he'll have a decent life with attention, Laurierace!

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                                  Well, I don't understand the point of having a dog and not having much interaction with it but I don't think the dog is being neglected or anything like that. He is sitting on the couch watching the election results and begging for goldfish crackers as I type so he may beg to differ! He has only been here since Sunday but he is a totally different dog. I am hopeful that I can convince his owners to give him a chance at spending at least a little time with them. I think what they view as being "crazy" is just his being overjoyed at seeing them.
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                                    #18
                                    I don't know about whether I am doing the right thing by bringing this dog into my home and treating him as a member of the family but I do know that I am feeling guilty about taking him back home on Sunday. He is so happy now and calm too that I am very hopeful that they will use this as a stepping stone to making him a member of their family too. I guess I am afraid if they don't spend any time with him that he will be extra bummed. I do know it has been way easier on me not to have to worry about him outside in the rain or rushing to get there to get him out of his crate.
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                                    • #19
                                      Sounds like an "adoption" in your future!! I think it is harder for a dog to go back to an unloving home after he has had a taste of love. Not meaning to sway you.
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                                        We aren't allowed another dog as per our homeowners agreement. I got away with an extra cat for a few years but an extra dog is harder to hide. Not to mention, I don't think they want to give up their dog.
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