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  • Originally posted by vtdobes View Post
    My two yr old male Dobe just finished his rally novice and beginner novice obedience titles last weekend. Yay!!
    Congratulations!!!

    I wish I had more time...I would love to do rally...it looks like a lot of fun for the dogs and handlers.

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    • Originally posted by vtdobes View Post
      My two yr old male Dobe just finished his rally novice and beginner novice obedience titles last weekend. Yay!!

      We are on to advanced rally and novice obedience this week in Tunbridge, VT.

      Anyone else showing there?
      Yay! Rally Novice and BN, how cool!!!

      Best of luck on your Advanced Rally and CD competitions! My Tori has her BN but we are seemingly far from being ready for CD....not yet ready for off lead heeling. Went to a seminar this weekend though, got some good ideas and am finishing one obedience class tonight, starting another in a couple of weeks.

      That is great!!! Huge congrats, you must be progressing right through the exercises. Bet you are working on your Open exercises, have you taught the retrieve yet?

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      • Originally posted by Mao View Post
        And then, two weeks ago, she had a fabulous win - BOB/BOW over a male special for 2 points. The judge was a Deerhound breeder as well as owner/handler of #1 Deerhound in the country - so that was HUGE for us. Unfortunately we couldn't stay for Group because of family obligations.

        But I'm really encouraged we seem to be getting more competitive. I've been practising a lot at home with stacking/gaiting and its helped a lot. I still feel somewhat like a failure with her. Her sister is a Grand Champion and currently Number#1 Deerhound bitch in the country. Lyric was the pick over this sister. However sister is professionally handled, and Lyric is my first show dog.

        For anyone (Houndhill?) who gets Sighthound Review, Lyric's sister is the cover dog. See what I mean about sibling rivalry - lol! But I took the opportunity to ride on her coattails and placed this ad for Lyric in the issue:
        Huge congrats!! Lyric is gorgeous!! Great ad, yes I do get Sighthound Review. In fact Valley's Specialty winning ad is in this issue, how do you link to it?

        I can't believe you feel like a failure with her, you have accomplished so much! Isn't it fun to do it yourself, too!? I am sure both girls will breed on their quality!!

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          Originally posted by S1969 View Post
          It really is a different world to be an owner/handler v. pro. And I don't mean about the politics...but handling is not as easy as it looks and professionals have so much more experience -- they go into the ring thinking about the dog's strengths and weaknesses, and we (at least at first) go into the ring hoping we remember which way to turn at the end of the down and back.

          This needs to be framed and handed to every newer owner/handler (myself included). Yes politics happen but often times I think the win goes to the pro because they are good at what they do. They want into the ring oozing confidence and subtly hide every fault while showing off every asset.

          I'm insanely new to this but I can already see how much my handling style and attitude has changed in a short period.

          Mao, Dexter went 5 months of regular showing without even picking up a WD so 4 shows doesn't seem that bad to me . Young dogs go through wonky periods or sometimes you just get a couple judges in a row that don't like your type or are less forgiving of handler error.

          It sounds like the two of y'all are finding your groove though so I am sure that in no time at all you'll be updating us with her CH picture.

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          • Awww... thanks! About professional versus AO - I got the BEST mini-handling clinic from Lyric's sister's handler. She took me aside after our 4th failed show - and gave me some awesome tips. We've done much better since her intervention. :-)

            Why would she do it? I'm not sure, except maybe she was frustrated to see Lyric getting beat on handler error and a negative reflection on Lyric's sister? Whatever - I've been very grateful for her help. And I think people like that help the sport, especially with rare breeds.

            Houndhill - We plan on breeding Lyric on her next heat at Xmas - as long as I can get her finished. No pressure, right? lol! My husband and I lust after having our own Bred-By pups. Imagine that! We've already picked a kennel name and chosen colors for the nursery - lol!

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            • Originally posted by Mao View Post
              Awww... thanks! About professional versus AO - I got the BEST mini-handling clinic from Lyric's sister's handler. She took me aside after our 4th failed show - and gave me some awesome tips. We've done much better since her intervention. :-)

              Why would she do it? I'm not sure, except maybe she was frustrated to see Lyric getting beat on handler error and a negative reflection on Lyric's sister? Whatever - I've been very grateful for her help. And I think people like that help the sport, especially with rare breeds.

              Houndhill - We plan on breeding Lyric on her next heat at Xmas - as long as I can get her finished. No pressure, right? lol! My husband and I lust after having our own Bred-By pups. Imagine that! We've already picked a kennel name and chosen colors for the nursery - lol!
              I am so happy to hear Lyric's sister's handler helped you! I am not surprised though, I have found so many handlers very willing to help me, from the time I was 12 years old and very hesitantly asked one for help- think my dog was lagging or something. The really gifted handlers are so often willing to go out of their way to help if asked. Of course there are a few stinkers, but so many are genuine dog people and if you approach them, are really helpful.

              I am sure you will finish Lyric before she comes in, and if by chance you don't, if the quality is there (and it is!) i think you should go ahead and breed her. Sometimes it is best to start early, first attempts are not always successful with sighthounds. We say that you are only slightly more likely to get puppies if you breed a bitch, than if you dont! If you wait too long, you may regret it, I think it is easier on the younger bitches as long as they have had their health clearances. I mean, better to start at two and a half rather than wait til they are five. I have two gorgeous IW bitches, finished, health clearances, really outstanding quality, but now I have waited almost too long, partly because I could not find the right dog for them. So if you have found the right dog, yay, now you will really take off!

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              • Originally posted by Houndhill View Post
                I am so happy to hear Lyric's sister's handler helped you! I am not surprised though, I have found so many handlers very willing to help me, from the time I was 12 years old and very hesitantly asked one for help- think my dog was lagging or something. The really gifted handlers are so often willing to go out of their way to help if asked. Of course there are a few stinkers, but so many are genuine dog people and if you approach them, are really helpful.
                I agree. In fact, I can't really even think of any stinkers that I've had to spend more than 2 seconds with so they don't even count. At least in our breed, people are pretty helpful; of course we all want to win, but most exhibitors will help each other. Even the owner of the #1 dog gave me a nice tip the weekend I beat her. The next day when I was select I congratulated her and said "you're tough to beat but I tried". And she pulled me aside and said she had overheard me telling someone that I had only showed on Friday for the OH competition, and never expected the breed. She said "Don't ever apologize for winning - you earned it."

                If you can get someone to video you it is an amazing tool. My kids usually come with me (except, of course, this time - so no video! ) and video tape. We have sent tapes to lots of our competition too, when we get the whole class. It's amazing what you see when watching in review. In my case, I felt like I'm really moving my dog out and racing around the ring and on video my dog was hardly trotting (these are the videos that make me wonder how we won!)

                And most of all - have fun! (I also agree that I would go ahead and breed a great quality bitch even if not finished yet). The breeding span of a bitch is very short as it is; working around shows makes it even tougher. She'll have time after the pups are weaned to pick up the last points if she needs them.

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                • Thanks Houndhill & S1969. My husband has taken video of some of our shows. It's definitely helpful although sometimes cringe-worthy - lol!

                  Houndhill - I looked you up in the current Sighthound Review. What a fabulous critique by the judge of your National Specialty win! How long does it take to come down from that cloud??? Valley is stunning.

                  Also interesting - weak fronts and less than 'hard' condition is also noted with Deerhounds. Although our National Specialty judge went a step further and said many of the owner/handlers needed to get themselves in better shape or pass the lead along to someone else. Ouch!!!

                  As far as breeding without finishing, the Deerhound community frowns on that, particularly with newbies like me. That said, I've reached out to several top breeders for advice and opinions, and have received positive feedback. Everyone understands its not easy putting together entries for Deerhounds - but I still plan on chasing our last 5 points as aggressively as possible.

                  And yes, choosing the baby-daddy is so hard!!!

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                  • Originally posted by Houndhill View Post
                    Yay! Rally Novice and BN, how cool!!!

                    Best of luck on your Advanced Rally and CD competitions! My Tori has her BN but we are seemingly far from being ready for CD....not yet ready for off lead heeling. Went to a seminar this weekend though, got some good ideas and am finishing one obedience class tonight, starting another in a couple of weeks.

                    That is great!!! Huge congrats, you must be progressing right through the exercises. Bet you are working on your Open exercises, have you taught the retrieve yet?
                    Thanks!! He's taken a bit of a backseat while I was finished the RAE on my Dobe bitch. But now it's his turn and he's very fun!! All along we've been working on everything but I didn't want to show two dogs.
                    He has not done any work on open exercises so it probably won't be until next year we even plan to show open as this year I'd like to finish with excellent rally and hope to show him at the Rally Nationals in March.

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                    • Originally posted by GraceLikeRain View Post
                      To be eligible for consideration the dog must make it to the best of breed class. So the only eligible dogs are WD, WB, and specials. If the BOB is owner/handler then the win should automatically go to them. If not, the OS competes against all of the eligible specials of the same gender. If neither BOB or OS are eligible then it goes down to select and select is shown against other selects. If there are no eligible BOB, OS, or selects then the judge can chose between the WD and WB. Or at least that is my interpretation of the rules.

                      http://classic.akc.org/ohs/judging.cfm
                      OK, I read this yesterday and think I interpreted it wrong; need to read again but here is my question:

                      So...if the regular BOB is not eligible, but the BOS is; the BOS competes against the other specials that are eligible?

                      If the regular show Best of Breed/Variety winner is not eligible for AKC National Owner Handled Series competition and the regular show Best of Opposite Sex to Best of Breed/Variety is eligible, the regular show Best of Opposite Sex to Best of Breed/Variety will compete against the eligible exhibits of the other sex to determine Best of Breed/Variety for the AKC National Owner Handled Series.

                      In my case, I think it would be very likely that the BOB would be the ineligible, professionally handled dog, but that my dog would beat most bitches that were awarded BOS. Yesterday I thought it read that the BOS would automatically win OHBOB, but I guess that's not the case.

                      Wow, no wonder judges need help on this!

                      OK, now that I've typed it out, I think I get it. The BOS, if eligible, would compete against the eligible entries of the opposite sex. So that means, for example, that if BOB was male, and Select Dog was eligible, then it *should* be the only other entry "competing" with BOS?

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                      • Originally posted by S1969 View Post
                        OK, now that I've typed it out, I think I get it. The BOS, if eligible, would compete against the eligible entries of the opposite sex. So that means, for example, that if BOB was male, and Select Dog was eligible, then it *should* be the only other entry "competing" with BOS?
                        Yes, that's how I read it too!

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                        • Originally posted by Houndhill View Post

                          Best of luck on your Advanced Rally and CD competitions!
                          Weekend results....new Rally Advanced title and two legs towards his CD!

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                          • Originally posted by vtdobes View Post
                            Weekend results....new Rally Advanced title and two legs towards his CD!
                            Yay!!! That is quite an achievement, glass raised his way here at Hound Hill!

                            Two CDs legs in one weekend is awesome! I love a good working Dobe!

                            I stewarded at our obedience trial/rally competition this weekend, there were a couple of great working Dobes. Sadly, no hounds in my ring though I spotted an adorable Beagle in another ring.

                            The judge had put the first in the 1070s, and to date the only, two UDs
                            on.....Salukis!

                            When is your next trial? Would you be willing to share your scores with us? Anything over 170 is extremely impressive, and plenty under that, who says a dog who might err on one excercise didn't do well also?

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                              I am so impressed by obedience people. Congratulations! Every sport takes dedication and practice but I think of obedience as the dressage of the dog world because it takes a passion for the details. I am always impressed by the teamwork of teams at all levels.

                              Vtdobes, did your dog start out with an interest in obedience or did you have to work to make it interesting? I'd love to get started with my boy but I'm not sure how I make it "fun" for his willful terrier nature.

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                              • Originally posted by vtdobes View Post
                                Weekend results....new Rally Advanced title and two legs towards his CD!
                                Woohooo! Congratulations!! Hope you had better temperatures than this week (or was it inside? Even better!)

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                                • Our Brio finished his Championship last weekend. This is with my Wife Pam showing him, who is not a pro handler. He finished in four weekends over handlers' dogs every time. I think he's our 19th Champion, never using a handler or buying an ad in the magazines. http://www.starbornhavanese.com/Briopage.html
                                  www.HistoricHousePreservation.com

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                                    Congratulations Tom!!! What a testament to your program. Ps I LOVE LOVE LOVE that you have a "soap" picture. Your willingness to show off what is under all of that coat is impressive and speaks to the quality of your program. I wish more people with coated breeds would be willing to do the same.

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                                    • Congratulations!! He is gorgeous!! Wow 4 weekends -- what an accomplishment as a breeder and of course to the handler as well. He must be very special!!

                                      I agree about the "soaps" - I would have expected a bigger dog underneath that hair! I remember the first time I felt an afghan in person - wow, I was shocked...that hair sure hides a lot! Who knew?

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                                      • Thanks everyone! His obedience scores were less than stellar...but he's new to the obedience ring and my dang nerves get the better of me and of course this gets him off. However...there were some really nice moments in the midst of the not so nice ones!! We will continue to work and even if we get our CD next month I will continue to show him in the same level as I want him to get more ring time and get our scores up there!

                                        He did have a couple nice rally scores (91 & 96)

                                        In regards to his interest in obedience....this litter was bred specifically for their working abilities. He was born ready to work! And after 4 days of showing in rally & obedience with temps in the 80's he always gave me all he had when I asked Ready, willing and wanting!

                                        At one point I took him out of his crate to get warmed up before our class (he had been in there sleeping) and a fellow exhibitor (who has a Bullmastiff) said "Beckham don't you ever get tired??". Because he had come out of his crate from a sound sleep to bright eyed ready to work! I said "No he doesn't. This is a real working dog right here!". Beckham does however know how to conserve energy when there is down time

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                                        • [QUOTE=Houndhill;7080965
                                          Anything over 170 is extremely impressive, and plenty under that, who says a dog who might err on one excercise didn't do well also?[/QUOTE]

                                          We had one particular run which was FABULOUS! But then he blew the recall.....SOOOO sad! Even the judge said "I am SO sorry to have NQ you!". Ah well...the boy is young! When we do pull everything together he will be awesome!

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