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Betta people- any ideas for NQR betta- the saga continues... kiddo dumped food in :-(

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  • Betta people- any ideas for NQR betta- the saga continues... kiddo dumped food in :-(

    Ugh... Good Fish (my 3 year old named him) is NQR. Last night he was in the corner of his tank just about laying on the rocks and not interested in eating.

    He got a fresh filter over the weekend, so I hope I rinsed it well enough. I gave him some more water last night, it was getting a little low. I also turned the filter off for a while. Heater was showing 82.

    Today, he seems to have some more energy but heater was at 84, so I unplugged it... that seemed too warm.

    He's in a tank like this http://www.petsmart.com/product/inde...uctId=11100218 with filter and heater.

    There has been some algae growth in the tank (on the rocks on the bottom and some on the side of the tank) and I was trying to get a snail, but went to 1 pet store that didn't have any and another that I got no help at.

    I don't have time to get the water tested... it is treated well water and I add fresh when it gets low.

    Any betta people have ideas?
    Last edited by M.K.Smith; May. 12, 2012, 12:23 AM.
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  • #2
    Whenever a fish isn't looking right, the first thing to do is a water change. Siphon off about 50% of his water and replace with properly treated water that's the right temp. Do you do regular water changes? They are really required to keep toxins from building up.

    Over 80 deg is also a little toasty. I keep my beta tank at about 75--no heater required.

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    • #3
      I would actually do a 50% water change (rather than just topping off water). Even with the filtration, etc, the water will get dirty and make mr. betta listless.

      Another thing to consider that I've had lots of luck with is something called melafix, which is basically tea tree oil. Mild antibiotic properties, and can help perk them up.

      But I'm thinking water quality may be the main issue so start there.

      As far as water testing, when you get a chance just by a testing kit for ammonia and nitrites. It takes two seconds to test the water at home.

      Also what are you using to treat the water? Some products are better than others.

      Also, ditto simkie, 82 is just a titch toasty. Around 77-78 degrees seems to work really well. Heaters in very small tanks like this can be problematic, and overheat easily or create hot spots. I always used seedling heating mats from garden stores, almost always kept the water in the 75-78 range.
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      • #4
        Partial water change for sure, and maybe do 50% changes daily for a few days.

        Does he look like he any skin / scale issues ?

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        • #5
          If fishy got sick right after adding a new filter, I'd suspect it did something dramatic to the water chemistry. If you just removed and tossed out the old filter, you might have removed all of the bacterial colonies that are what keep the water livable and you might have induced a "new tank syndrome".
          In which case, you need to either retrieve your old filter from the garbage and put it back in, and/or run to the pet store and buy some new seeder bacteria to seed the new filter.
          While you wait for the bacteria to regrow, you'll need to do daily massive water changes to keep your fish from dying. He might go anyway. NEVER change your entire filter at once. Good filters have parts where bacteria live- ceramic beads, sponges, etc. that you don't change, and parts with activated media that you do change- the activated charcoal, etc.

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            #6
            Good news! Good Fish seems MUCH perkier, tonight! I'm going to try to get his water tested, Thurs.

            Wendy, how do you not change the entire filter? This is my exact tank, but I don't have the divider in, so it is just for one fish.

            http://www.petco.com/product/12351/A...t=OnSiteSearch

            The replacement filters are like this- http://www.petco.com/product/102602/...tridges-102602 (only size small )
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            • #7
              I have the exact same tank and struggle all the time keeping things right water wise. I am sure your Nitrite levels are dangerously high. Buy some test strips at the pet store that test for Nitrites and ammonia, ph etc....
              The nitrites come from degrading wastes and dropped food that decay and it is toxic to your fish.
              First I would immediately do a 50% water change for him and do that every day. Get a gravel siphon to get the water out of the tank and then replace the 50% you removed with new fresh but treated water.
              When you change the filter you need to rinse the new replacement filter in some of the water you siphoned out of the aquarium to retain some of that bacteria as that beneficial bacteria is what eats the waste and gets rid of the ammonia and nitrites in the tank. I am far from an expert on this but have
              learned just trying to keep our Mr Fishy alive and happy. Do a google
              search for betta fish and nitrites and read up! It will help you. Note that there are nitrItes and nitrAtes....nitrItes being the killer! May be too late to help him unless you get on it fast! Good luck!
              Last edited by dodedo; May. 10, 2012, 08:46 AM. Reason: Spelling...

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              • #8
                Oh wise fish people let me ponder you with a question! A few months ago a friend received two male betta fish as pets (housed apart). All was well for the first few weeks, then Red Fish developed a large bump on his head. He looked like a dolphin the bump was so big! He was listeless and looked like he was going to die. Then a few days later the bump went away and he seemed normal. A week or so after that he went craaaaaaaaazy and started throwing himself out of the water, splashing all around, and attacking things (plants) in his house. He acted like a rabid animal, seriously! Then he died....any clue? One of the strangest things Ive ever seen!

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by RougeEmpire View Post
                  Oh wise fish people let me ponder you with a question! A few months ago a friend received two male betta fish as pets (housed apart). All was well for the first few weeks, then Red Fish developed a large bump on his head. He looked like a dolphin the bump was so big! He was listeless and looked like he was going to die. Then a few days later the bump went away and he seemed normal. A week or so after that he went craaaaaaaaazy and started throwing himself out of the water, splashing all around, and attacking things (plants) in his house. He acted like a rabid animal, seriously! Then he died....any clue? One of the strangest things Ive ever seen!
                  They can have internal parasites, and that is my first guess.

                  The place I go when I need answers is bettafish.com.
                  The first thing I do is water changes. A 2.5 gallon will have less tolerance for anything that gets in there so start doing changes. If the water tests fine, than you can try taking out the carbon and add an Indian Almond Leaf for a few days - it makes "Betta tea".
                  I keep my guy at 82 degrees. I've tried him colder and he hangs out by the heater. I got rid of the ich he came with by turning the temp up to 88 degrees for 10 days. It interrupts the ich cycle and they die. Cleans the whole tank of it.
                  You are what you dare.

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                  • #10
                    Wendy, how do you not change the entire filter?
                    well, you buy a GOOD filter- a good filter has different parts you can change at different times. Those little tanks with the built-in disposable one-piece filter are a nightmare to maintain and keep stable- the bigger the tank, the easier they are to maintain. The "biocubes" and 2.5liter complete fish kits for sale at petstores are nasty traps set out to snare the unwary, look easy and simple but are not; guaranteed to fail and discourage the fish keeper. A 55 gallon tank is so much easier to run than a 10 or less gallon tank.

                    If you have a small tank, buying an external canister filter can help stabilize it and make it much easier to maintain.

                    If you don't want to buy a new filter device, go see what they sell for "biofilter" media at your pet store- they usually sort of resemble beads, round with a hole in them- and see if you can figure out a way to rig up a mesh bag full of them somewhere where the water pump mechanism will run the water through it. Then you just never change those beads during filter changes.

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                    • #11
                      I have a betta in a 3 gal. tank, heated but unfiltered. Besides regular water changes, if he's NQR, usually some aquarium salt puts him right in 2-3 days. His NQR had been caused from a heater malfunction in the past and he became stressed. Now that he's almost 3 yrs. old, I'm guessing that he's more sensitive to anything and everything in his old age.

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                        #12
                        More on the betta saga...

                        We got a snail on 5/10. My son LOVES the snail... and we find ourselves watching him move around the tank. Well... this AM... it got eerily quiet... I asked if he was watching the snail... he said, yes.

                        A few minutes later, I went to check and low and behold he had dumped about 1/2 of the pellets in the water and it was all cloudy.

                        Fish emergency!!! I did a total water change and rinsed all of the rocks and the filter cartridge. Those pellets were sticking to EVERYTHING!! I didn't want to just put new rocks in because I thought it might sort of keep the tank in a little bit of balance...

                        I was worried I'd come home to a dead fish and snail... but they both seem remarkably perky.

                        The water however is cloudy... clear at the bottom, but cloudy at the top.

                        I'm hoping Good Fish and Good (what kiddo is calling the snail) pull through!

                        I'm assuming the water is cloudy because I didn't get all of the food pellets out.

                        Here is kiddo with his snail on 5-10- https://fbcdn-sphotos-a.akamaihd.net...00930894_n.jpg

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                        • #13
                          Bettas do better with a very slow filter. they do not like moving water very much. You can change their entire bowl of water and he will be fine. I have used a clean pantyhose and rubberband to slow a filter in the past.

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                          • #14
                            I can't help it I laughed. Your Betta was probably in heaven at first. FOOD!!
                            I saw this yesterday and found it timely.

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                            You are what you dare.

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                              #15
                              Originally posted by Nezzy View Post
                              Bettas do better with a very slow filter. they do not like moving water very much. You can change their entire bowl of water and he will be fine. I have used a clean pantyhose and rubberband to slow a filter in the past.
                              That is a great idea! Thanks!
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                              • Original Poster

                                #16
                                Originally posted by GotGait View Post
                                I can't help it I laughed. Your Betta was probably in heaven at first. FOOD!!
                                I saw this yesterday and found it timely.

                                https://fbcdn-sphotos-a.akamaihd.net...46855341_n.jpg
                                OMG Too funny!!!!!
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                                  #17
                                  Morning conversation...kiddo was up before me...

                                  "Are the fish and snail alive?"
                                  "No."
                                  "Are they dead?"
                                  "No. They're okay."
                                  "So, they're alive?"
                                  "No."
                                  "Is the fish swimming?"
                                  "Yes."
                                  "What about the snail?"
                                  "He's working."

                                  Sigh... snail seems happy as a clam. Fish is a little slower than normal. Water is coming less cloudy. I changed some last night and will change a little more today.

                                  Hoping we're soon out of the woods.
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                                  • #18
                                    By rinsing your filter and the rocks, you've probably eliminated all of the beneficial bacteria that handled the nitrogen cycle in your tank, and now you're *really* at risk for a large ammonia or nitrite spike that could kill the fish or the snail. It can take weeks to rebuild the bacteria that is responsible for the nitrogen cycle.

                                    Snails can be tough, too, because they're often more sensitive to water chemistry than your common fish, and it can be tough to tell if they're dead. Their large biomass can totally screw up your water chemistry when they start to rot.

                                    I'd really pick up a basic testing kit for ammonia and nitrite and start testing the tank daily, along with water changes. This also looks to be a good website for info: http://www.firsttankguide.net/cycle.php

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                                    • #19
                                      A different betta question here. Can they get cataracts? One of my guy's eyes started out being a bit cloudy, and now it's totally opaque, almost iridescent. When I first noticed it I researched different eye diseases and this didn't match any of them. He's about 2 1/2 yrs. old and I know he's getting close to the end, but other than slowing down a bit and resting more, it doesn't seem to bother him. He probably can't see out of it, but he still looks for food when I approach the tank and eats everything.

                                      It's both creepy and cool---like a mini pearl for an eye.

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                                      • #20
                                        Cloudy eyes are usually caused by poor water quality or bacterial infection.

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