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  • German Short Hair? Color Question

    I just got back from visiting my mom in CT. She just got a new rescue dog that is pretty unique looking. Vet things he's a Black German Short Haired Pointer (purebred- just not the best looking one). I did some research and there are black ones, that look just like him. I guess AKC won't recognize them, but they can be shown with other groups(not that he will be shown, hes a farm dog now). He has a white splotch on his chest and white hairs on some of his toes.

    Now the weird part. He has brindle markings on his right side. Not sure what could have crossed with to make it (definatly not boxer or pit. Maybe greyhound? Dane?)? We had thought if anything he looks part Weimaraner.

    Here's Beemer:
    http://a1.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphot...98916307_n.jpg

    http://a7.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphot...03173309_n.jpg

    http://sphotos.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-...49498285_n.jpg

    http://sphotos.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-...42375636_n.jpg

    http://a5.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphot...94739411_n.jpg

    not great photos but you get the picture, his head is not that big(I know the photo makes it look huge... he's so wiggly it's hard to get a good photo)

    Searching google- came across this black one, looks just like him! http://www.bing.com/images/search?q=...er&FORM=IDFRIR
    Proud owner of Belle- 17.2h PerchxTB-wannabe dressage horse & Fayah 14.1H arab-trail horse extroidinaire!

  • #2
    black, black and roan and black and white are accepted colors by the Germanshortaired Breed but not for AKC conformation shows

    not sure where the brindle comes from, as Weims only come in one color that I know of and brindle is not it

    he is a cutie

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    • #3
      He could be a shorthair crossed with a coon hound of some kind. Brindle is not a color found in shorthairs. Solid liver, liver and white, liver and white roan are the only colors allowed..Dark solid liver should not be confused with black. Black is a DQ.

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      • #4
        Regardless of the odd coloration, he's a very handsome boy!

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        • #5
          http://www.gspca.org/Breed/colors.html

          per the German Shorthaired Club of America black is allowed but not in conformation but can compete in performance, they however can not be a combination of black and liver

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          • #6
            Black is completely NAVHDA legal. Black is actually even genetically dominant. Many, many, reputable hunting kennels have black, black roan, and black and white GSP's As for this guy, I'd guess GSP x Weim

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              #7
              Thanks everyone! He's very handsome indeed. We don't care about akc and showing, just were curious if he lookes like a GSH or if he looks like a mutt (and what would cause the brindle).

              He acts just like my (english) pointer, kinda doofy and cluless. Too bad Mom won't give him up... He'd fit in so well with my car theemed pets (Shelby, Dually)!

              He's got a nasty scar along his spine (you can see it in some of the photos). Like he was caught somewhere. He also needs to gain a few pounds too. He was able to outsmart the Animal Control officers for 2 days before they caught him in a very wealthy neighborhood. (hence the name "Beemer").
              Proud owner of Belle- 17.2h PerchxTB-wannabe dressage horse & Fayah 14.1H arab-trail horse extroidinaire!

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              • #8
                Originally posted by tradewind View Post
                He could be a shorthair crossed with a coon hound of some kind. Brindle is not a color found in shorthairs.
                Thats my guess...although I didn't see the brindle at first because I thought it was dirt. My dogs are a muddy mess every day, so I figure everyone else's dogs are too.

                He's adorable!

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                • #9
                  My guess is that he's a Plott hound (or mix with one) who got his tail docked somewhere along the way.

                  He's handsome regardless of breed!

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                  • #10
                    The breed standard for the GSP, taken directly from the breed standard as written by the parent club is as follows:

                    Color The Coat may be of solid liver, or a combination of liver and white such as liver and white ticked, liver patched and white ticked, or liver roan. A dog with any area of BLACK, RED, ORANGE, LEMON OR TAN, OR A DOG SOLID WHITE SHALL BE DISQUALIFIED. Now I realize that certain alternative registries and certain performance venues allow this, but, it is a breed standard disqualification and the breeding of such disqualified animals should not be encouraged. Breed standards are important, there is a reason they are there. And while the maintaining of breed standards in dogs is out of fashion at the moment, it is important to many of us who take our resposibiblities as caretakers of a breed seriously. This does not take anything away from the handsome animal shown in the photo by the OP...He is handsome, and I am sure an enjoyable pet, but in answer to her question, black is a diqualifying fault, and I have never seen brindle on a purebred GSP.

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                    • #11
                      Looks like a Plott Hound. http://www.nationalplotthoundassociation.org/
                      The neck is far too long for either a GSP, or Weimeraner.

                      http://www.akc.org/breeds/plott/
                      "Color
                      Any shade of brindle (a streaked or striped pattern of dark hair imposed on a lighter background) is preferred. This includes the following brindle factors: yellow, buckskin, tan, brown, chocolate, liver, orange, red, light or dark gray, blue or Maltese, dilute black, and black. Other acceptable Plott colors are solid black, any shade of brindle, with black saddle, and black with brindle trim. A rare buckskin, devoid of any brindle, sometimes appears among litters; ranging from red fawn, sandy red, light cream, and yellow ochre, to dark fawn and golden tan. Some white on chest and feet is permissible as is a graying effect around the jaws and muzzle."
                      Last edited by Equibrit; Mar. 28, 2012, 07:10 PM.
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                      • #12
                        My husband judged AKC dog shows for 27 years, just for fun I showed him the photos. He thinks your moms dog is a Weim mix.

                        Going from the photos he has more of a Weim head then a GSP head.

                        He is a VERY handsome boy!

                        Why doesn't your mom get one of the DNA tests? I know there are naysayers here on COTH. But I wouldn't be surprised if those people actually tested their dog(s) and just didn't like the answer so they pooh-pooh the test!

                        I have done many of them with great results, this is the best test IMO: http://www.wisdompanel.com/
                        Proud Native Texan!
                        owned by 3 Cardigan Corgi's + 3 wonderful horses!

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                        • #13
                          The reason the DNA tests are pooh-poohed is because they are a waste of their money. There was a great thread on here with lots of information about why they are not actually accurate at all, and it has to do with genetic diversity in the canine species as a whole.

                          And I too see Weim mix. I could totally buy Weim x Plott mix too.....
                          You can't fix stupid.... but you can breed it!

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                          • #14
                            German based GSP's are allowed to be black. DK is one of the parent clubs for the breed and again black is allowed. AKC based parent clubs aren't always the end point. My NAVHDA registered black and white puppy from the last litter can be issued AKC papers right off of his NAVHDA papers.

                            I see absolutely no reason to discourage the breeding of black GSP's when they are proven dogs. If you go to any NAVHDA event (which is an AKC recognized registry, not an off shoot or alternative registry) you'll see many high quality GSP's who aren't liver based. Some of the most prominent hunt kennels which trace back to or breed DK registered dogs have black based GSP's.

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                            • #15
                              All my UK bred GSPs had B&Ws in their pedigrees. These dogs are bred for HUNTING, not for bench shows, and they make bad pets. Who cares what the AKC says ?
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                              • #16
                                I do...

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                                • #17
                                  Originally posted by Equibrit View Post
                                  ...These dogs are bred for HUNTING, not for bench shows, and they make bad pets.
                                  I'm sorry, but I just have to ask, how on earth do you think GSPs make bad pets? My parents have one and while she is very high energy, she is just about the most fun and affectionate dog EVER. Pretty much every GSP owner I've met says the same thing. They're smart, trainable, affectionate, ready for anything, generally non-aggressive, and people-oriented....How does that add up to "bad pet"? I'm honestly just shocked b/c I haven't met a GSP owner who wasn't head over heels with their dog.

                                  ETA: OP, your mom's guy does look more Plott than GSP to me, but whatever he is, he's a handsome fellow! And he looks so proud carrying that stick

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                                  • #18
                                    The average GSP from a kennel breeding with a strong focus on working hunting dogs (not just AKC field test/trial) is far more dog than the average pet owner wants kicking around.

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                                    • #19
                                      Originally posted by Marshfield View Post
                                      The average GSP from a kennel breeding with a strong focus on working hunting dogs (not just AKC field test/trial) is far more dog than the average pet owner wants kicking around.
                                      I think you're making the assumption that people are getting their dogs from working lines. Most dogs aren't from working stock and therefore don't have the same temperament. So you can't really make the argument they make bad pets.

                                      I do agree that most pet owners have way to much dog on their hands or entirely the wrong kind of dog, but assumptions and generalizations are not very helpful.

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                                      • #20
                                        There are many well bred dual purpose gsps that are making fabulous pets for their owners. The ones that come from high octane working lines that often have field bred pointers in them as well oftne do not. The majority of gsps come from dual or show bred lines and have calmer dispostions for the average family.

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