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  • Possible puppies??

    Hey All,
    So I went to the barn this past weekend, and my BO said we may have a problem.......I assume it's with my gelding and start to panic......she says it's with the dogs (none of which are mine) so I calm down and listen

    Her one female came into heat over the past week, it was her first heat and they were waiting for it before they got her spayed, so not completely unexpected. She is a young malamute X, looks pretty much like a large coyote.

    Enter stage left, her 5mth old Great Dane.......not neutred....(you can all see where this is going)

    So at first they kept them apart, then someone (no idea who) told BO at 5mths he can't produce so not to worry....and she let them be together like they used to.....

    And wouldn't you know it, they locked!! They only "interupted" the one they seen, who knows how many times they did "it" before then......and the female is now rejecting/snapping/attacking the pup like I have seen other females do after their time together...

    Sooo do we have puppies coming????
    And is it wrong for me to be excited to see how the pups would look??? (flame suit on...go!)
    if you havent fallen off a horse….then you havent been ridin long enough

  • #2
    Yes, pretty likely that puppies are coming.

    Depending on when this happened, it may still be possible to terminate the pregnancy, either via an injected abortion drug, or by spaying the bitch.

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    • #3
      Oops! Isn't it great when you have the option of just sitting back, pulling out a can of beer and a bowl of popcorn, and watching the situation unfold? My guess is the pups will look like lurchers or wolfhounds, only heavier built.

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      • #4
        Just go with the spay, wont hurt anything.
        Did you know, today is yesterdays tomorrow and what you would leave for tomorrow you should do today?
        I am pro-Slaughter

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        • #5
          JUst spay her now, problem fixed (pun not intended)
          .

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          • #6
            Originally posted by Kitari View Post
            Just go with the spay, wont hurt anything.
            this, and neuter that over-achiever

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              #7
              See you would think I could do just that....with the beer n popcorn....but I am such a hands on kinda gal I would probably volunteer to foster some until homes are found! hahah yep sucker was tattooed on my face long ago!

              And the one BO is against ending the pregnancy, and the other is all for it....so they are at a stand off.

              I am just praying I don't end up with one! Fingers crossed they are not cute adorable fluffy babies, or so ugly that you can't resist them!!! Please please please just all be unremarkable boring old pups! lol
              if you havent fallen off a horse….then you havent been ridin long enough

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              • #8
                Some vets won't do a spay if they think the female could be pregnant. Some charge much more for the surgery which is then an abortion more than a spay. One could just request the spay and not be as surprised as the vet will be when they end up with a much more extensive surgery. And you don't be surprised when you get a higher bill for the more extensive surgery.

                Yes there is an injection if the owner chooses.

                I hope you have thick skin-you're really not going to get a lot of positive feedback on this. Please help this misinformed lady to place all these little muttpups that you possibly can starting now-it's not going to be easy. This is a whoops that is going to have pretty dire consequences for those pups if she doesn't start educating herself and trying harder to be a responsible owner. Make that just BEING more responsible, no more "try".

                Odds are pretty good if they tied up that there will be pups. Unless you paid a high stud fee and traveled many miles and have been planning on the breeding for years and have puppy buyers stacked up six deep. Then she would not catch no matter how many times they tied up.

                ETA they're going to be adorable right up until the time they're annoying and too much work and too loud and need to go to their own homes. They're going to be trusting baby cute dogs that have no clue how much training and health issues await them and even if they knew all they can do is hope for kind people to step up that are willing to take them on. Don't wait until they're six weeks old to try to find homes, it's not going to be easy.
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                  #9
                  Originally posted by Jumpin_Horses View Post
                  this, and neuter that over-achiever
                  Appt has been booked for in 2 weeks!

                  Females on the chopping block, pending BO's decision of before or after......
                  if you havent fallen off a horse….then you havent been ridin long enough

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                  • #10
                    Breeding a bitch on her first heat is like a 14 year old girl getting pregnant and having a baby. Yeah, it can happen (all the equipment works) but the bitch may not be physically or mentally ready to have those puppies and there could be plenty of complications.

                    And it's hard enough to place puppies from actual planned breedings, much less giant puppies from an "ooops" breeding in the middle of winter.

                    The kindest thing for all involved is the spay the bitch now and neuter the Dane...

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                    • #11
                      Oh please end the pregnancy and get both of them altered! All we need in this world are more unplanned mutt puppies. Can go to the humane society to find PLENTY of those...

                      How unresponsible of those people to even allow this to happen....

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by Simkie View Post
                        Breeding a bitch on her first heat is like a 14 year old girl getting pregnant and having a baby. Yeah, it can happen (all the equipment works) but the bitch may not be physically or mentally ready to have those puppies and there could be plenty of complications.
                        Echoed. Is BO prepared to possibly lose the bitch in a difficult whelping and deal with trying to hand raise a litter of orphaned puppies? Or hand raise them if the bitch has zero interest in her new offspring?

                        Is she going to keep all the puppies? If not, is she willing to take them back once (and it will happen at least once, I'd almost put money on it) a new owner realizes this puppy is going to be a HUGE dog and more than they can handle?

                        Spay now, or at the least give the shot. ALL puppies are cute, but sadly cuteness doesn't count for much in the grand scheme here. Shelters are bursting at the seams with "cute".

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by vtdobes View Post
                          Oh please end the pregnancy and get both of them altered! All we need in this world are more unplanned mutt puppies. Can go to the humane society to find PLENTY of those...

                          How unresponsible of those people to even allow this to happen....
                          Seriously. I would have a VERY hard time boarding at a barn that is run by people who can't be responsible enough to fix their animals.

                          I will take my money to more responsible places, thanks.

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by GoForAGallop View Post
                            Seriously. I would have a VERY hard time boarding at a barn that is run by people who can't be responsible enough to fix their animals.

                            I will take my money to more responsible places, thanks.
                            No doubt...there would be no way I could keep my opinions to myself!

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                            • #15
                              This is not cute. Large, powerful, unknown mutt-dogs.

                              Obviously OP posted here for some reason though it is BO who owns the dog and states BO is anti-spay/abort...

                              Doesn't matter how many boarders line up to fawn over adorable puppies strategically housed in an empty stall during peek hours. Or how many puppies go home with friends and neighbors. The number of permanent homes for these guys is guaranteed to be far fewer.

                              Can you imagine the size of these guys if they reach 6months? And the temperament/personality Neither adolescent gene contributor has had time to reveal temperament, but with those breeds they're not going to be love-everybody-labs. Then the health side: hips? Heart? Elbows? Eyes? Skin?

                              This is not a cute situation. Tell BO to spay or personally kennel every puppy individually for life if she does not want to kill poor little babies. She prefers they be killed in the euth room at the shelter and dumped into a giant rubbermaid trash can instead?!?

                              What are BO's reasons for being anti-spay? What is her plan? Fill us in on BOs thoughts about this big group of large dogs. Stop using the word puppies when speaking to her. These will quickly be big, powerful, working temp mutt-dogs she is blessing into the world with no known temperament or health.

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                              • #16
                                Good post Bicoastal!

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                                • #17
                                  I'd probably spay her--as noted she may not even be pregnant at all. Yeah, it's not a good feeling (let's not pretend spaying with a litter, pinching embryos, injectsions, etc. are any different than 'terminating a pregnancy'--you're killing the offspring, just accept you're killing something, and deal) but it's not exactly the world's smartest cross, if she IS pregnant and has a large litter they're stuck either finding homes or keeping a lot of dogs, it's probably not worth the hassle.

                                  Molly was *definitely* pregnant when we got her, and we actually wouldn't have objected to whelping her out before spaying, but we had the ONE dog at the time (not a yard full already), and in the end she had severe heartworm and the vet had no problem spaying her and taking the litter so she could begin immediate intensive treatment for that.
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                                  • #18
                                    Spay NOW. The extra costs for a complicated spay are minimal compared with the cost of feeding, cleaning up after and trying to home a litter of large breed puppies.

                                    As a breeder of Jack Russells I can tell you that puppies are adorable and so easy to care for until the moment you start feeding them. That's when mom stops cleaning up after them (ie eating their poop). Then you never have enough newspapers, the puppies are always gray from rolling in wet newspaper, people call can't wait to see your pups, then never show up. (For the record, I litter box train my puppies just so I don't have to deal w/ nasty newspapers)

                                    Tell BOTH BOs to do the responsible thing and spay the bitch NOW while it's less complicated.
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                                    • #19
                                      Originally posted by vtdobes View Post
                                      Oh please end the pregnancy and get both of them altered! All we need in this world are more unplanned mutt puppies. Can go to the humane society to find PLENTY of those...

                                      How unresponsible of those people to even allow this to happen....
                                      THIS!!!

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                                      • #20
                                        Oh, and I forgot the vet bills for all the puppy shots...ask the pro-puppy BO about THAT. I just got done (well, minus the leuk booster) spending $250 for just ONE cat, and the CHEAPEST part of that was his actual neutering. And he's an adult and just needed three shots. If the bitch is pregnant and has a litter there could be four, five, six puppies, and they all need to see the vet and get all their puppy shots and as long as the BOs have them they need their boosters and their yearly shots...and of course once mom dog is not feeding them someone has to....
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