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  • Which airline for international shipping of big dog?

    I am in the process of moving to the UK for school. By in the process, I mean I'll be moving in about a year! My dog will be coming with me, and I have started the microchip, rabies vax/titer, health certificate shenanigans. But my vet said I need to at least pick an airline, as most of the airlines also have their own rules that need to be followed as well.

    Some basic stats -- said dog will be 8 years old when we fly, neutered male border collie mix, generally in good health, fully accustomed to his crate and has flown domestically (from NY to AZ so approx 4-5 hour flight) with no issues. We may also start training as a therapy dog team, so he may have that nifty little vest when we leave...maybe I can sneak him in the cabin??
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    Unlikely you will be able to get him in the cabin, unless he can squeeze himself under the seat.

    For flying animals internationally, hands down the best is Lufthansa. I used them to fly my dogs to and from India and had a wonderful experience. I've heard good things about KLM as well.

    I've had less great, but not horrible, international dog flying experiences with Air France, United, and Delta, and I've been told to stay far, far away from US Air (good advice for people too ) and Continental (although they're getting better).
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      Thanks for the recommendation! The Lufthansa website says "Guide dogs and other service dogs
      Guide dogs for the blind and deaf as well as other service dogs that you depend on are transported free of charge on Lufthansa flights and may also travel inside the cabin. Please remember to notify us of your guide dog ahead of time. " (bold is mine). I wonder... I'd, of course, need to double check and make sure that he would qualify. But even if he does have to travel in cargo, the price is not too bad! It cost about the same to fly him from NY to AZ! I'll be calling them tomorrow to see what their specific regulations are.

      Thanks again!!
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        I don't know how strict they are, but I personally would not consider a therapy dog to be in the same category as an assistance dog. He's not going to be doing any therapy on the flight or immediately thereafter. The point of the regulation is to not separate people from animals they PERSONALLY RELY on to help them through the day, like assistance dogs for the mobility impaired, seizure detection dogs, etc. IMO, it would be unethical to pass him off as a service animal. That's not to say that people don't do it and get away with it, but I would not do it in your situation.

        I have heard of formal or informal policies giving special dispensation or at least discounted rates to certain categories of animals which provide a public service, such as search-and-rescue dogs. You could ask Lufthansa if they have any policies regarding therapy dogs.
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          We had a topic covering some air travel with pets just recently.

          http://www.chronofhorse.com/forum/sh...d.php?t=310546

          I've had lots of experience as ex used to work in Saudi Arabia. It's been 10 years since I've last flown with our dogs, but we used just British Air, or KLM.
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            I believe the UK has quarantine requirements for dogs. Have you checked into that?
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              The UK no longer has an in country quarantine requirement. As long as you have the appropriate microchip (which can be read by an international scanner, so is 15 digits long), a current rabies vaccine (with said microchip # on the paperwork) and a rabies titer that was drawn at least 6 months before departure showing that the dog has sufficient rabies antibodies, and a health certificate from the vet 24-48 hours before departure stating the dog is in good health, my dog can walk off the plane with me. A giant pain in the ass, but well worth the effort so my poor pup doesn't have the languish in a quarantine facility! I think they consider it "in home" quarantine as well, hence the 6 month rule after the titer was pulled.
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                I used to work for Delta. I wouldn't put my own dog on a Delta flight The poster who said to stay away from US Air (aka US Scare) is spot on.

                Lufthansa would likely be a good choice for you.

                However, a therapy dog does not qualify to be in the cabin. Unless you have some sort of documentation that he's an actual ASSISTANCE dog, it is very difficult to get a large dog in the cabin. Basically the only ones that meet the requirements are dogs assisting blind, wheelchair bound people, or those that have dogs that can detect seizures.

                Best of luck with your move!

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                  Years ago, when I was young and semi feral myself. I was stranded and had no money (car engine blew up) on the way to school. Had to be there..on time. Had money for a plane ticket one way and slapped on some dark glasses and took my "seeing eye dog" with me... lord help me
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                  • #10
                    Very interesting point on the other thread about temperament testing on "fighting breeds" in Germany!

                    It was reported there that if the dog does not pass the temperament test getting off the plane, it is euthed. Worth checking if this rule or something similar is in other countries.

                    The other thread had great advice. CVPeg, you had a great write up on the issues and how to solve them.

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                      Originally posted by In the Air View Post
                      Years ago, when I was young and semi feral myself. I was stranded and had no money (car engine blew up) on the way to school. Had to be there..on time. Had money for a plane ticket one way and slapped on some dark glasses and took my "seeing eye dog" with me... lord help me

                      You mean no one ratted on you at the baggage claim area?!?
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                        The airline employees got the luggage.. Mom picked me up from airport, now that was pretty funny...
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                          Oh, I should add that he's not a BIG dog, only about 40-45 pounds. But far too big to be "cabin sized"!

                          In the Air, I don't think I'd have the guts to pull that one off!! I tip my hat to you!

                          Looks like under the PETS scheme, I'd have to have him travel with certain carriers from JFK to Heathrow. KLM is on the list, and I've had several people say they did a good job, so that will probably be my first choice to use. Lufthansa looked fabulous, but is not on the list of approved carriers. I'm going to call them today and see if I can get some particulars about what I need to do to get my pup prepared to fly!
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                            Anyone used Virgin Atlantic to ship their dog? I LOVE VA as a company, but it seems like I'd have to be on the same flight with him, and that might not be how it works out in the end (I may go ahead by a week or two and he would stay with a friend).

                            Also, good news for all who travel to the UK and need to bring their pet, as of Jan 1, 2012 the requirement to bring dogs and cats into the UK will be an ISO microchip, rabies vax at least 21 days prior to travel, and an Official Health Certificate/Pet Passport. Check it out--

                            http://www.defra.gov.uk/news/2011/06...pet-passports/
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