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Aussie pups and the merle gene... (bit of a rant) PUPPY PIC!

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  • Aussie pups and the merle gene... (bit of a rant) PUPPY PIC!

    My SO and I are proud breeders of registered Australian Shepherds and today we welcomed 9 puppies...

    Now let's talk genetics. Our female dog (Jitterbug) is a blue merle and the male (Bocephus) is a red tri. Jitterbug is heterozygous for the merle gene (Mm) as one of her parents was a blue merle and the other was a black tri. Since she is heterozygous, she will produce a merle puppy (statistically) 50% of the time. In fact, out of her first litter of 8 puppies, 4 were merles...

    Today Jitterbug and Bocephus became the proud parents of 9 SOLID babies. As a math/finance major in college and a current benefits analyst, I did the math... There is a 0.2% chance of a heterozygous merle and a solid having 9 solid babies... Yes I did my research and yes I am confident in my calculations and reserach...

    Why couldn't we defy the odds the other way around with 9 merles??? It's the same 0.2% chance!
    Last edited by OveroHunter; Aug. 19, 2011, 11:49 AM.
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    Merle, solid, tri.....they're all adorable! I love the ones in our herding group - eventually we'll get one for herding

    You may recognize this one, OveroHunter....

    http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v4...9sar/pup-1.jpg
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    • #3
      How dare you post something like this without pics of those puppies! That's pretty bizarre - I'm assuming more people shopping for Aussies want merles or tris rather than solid?

      We had a beautiful red growing up that was just the bee's knees. Miss that girl.

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        Originally posted by HydroPHILE View Post
        Merle, solid, tri.....they're all adorable! I love the ones in our herding group - eventually we'll get one for herding

        You may recognize this one, OveroHunter....

        http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v4...9sar/pup-1.jpg
        PUMPKIN!!! Best dog we own

        ETA: She was such a freaking cute puppy (half Australian Shepherd, half Blue Heeler)
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          #5
          Originally posted by LulaBell View Post
          How dare you post something like this without pics of those puppies! That's pretty bizarre - I'm assuming more people shopping for Aussies want merles or tris rather than solid?

          We had a beautiful red growing up that was just the bee's knees. Miss that girl.
          I'll get some pics Yes, more people want merles than solids... which is the reason we got a merle, but yes all Aussies are great
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            #6
            Bocephus and Jitterbug from behind:
            http://pets.webshots.com/photo/21396...43029495mDPkcL

            Jitterbug and Pumpkin:
            http://pets.webshots.com/photo/27681...43029495ttySTf

            Pumpkin trying to kill Bocephus when she was a tiny puppy:
            http://pets.webshots.com/photo/21964...43029495MxFSss

            Bocephus in my lap with his tongue out, Pumpkin in a headlock, and Jitterbug being normal:
            http://pets.webshots.com/photo/23323...43029495bLifeT

            Last but not least... Solid Bocephus and Jitterbug puppies!
            http://pets.webshots.com/photo/29472...43029495KDdHvn
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            • #7
              Awwww...I'd take any one of them! When I got my Aussie I didn't care about color. I wanted a good dog. I fell in love with the breed because several friends have them. IMO they are a little calmer than a BC and less aggressive than an Australian Cattle Dog. My Brody at 8 weeks: http://i833.photobucket.com/albums/z...rody_8_wks.jpg
              Riding politely in the backseat with his buddy Buster:
              http://i833.photobucket.com/albums/z...rodyBuster.jpg
              16 months: http://i833.photobucket.com/albums/z...s/IMG_5434.jpg

              I have a feeling that when Brody reaches his expiration date many years in the future (I hope) I'll get another Aussie. Oh heck, who am I kidding, I probably won't even wait that long.
              "My biggest fear is that when I die my husband is going to try to sell all my horses and tack for what I told him they cost."

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              • #8
                Similarly to how I grew up loving plain bays and not really getting "colored" horses, I actually prefer the tamer colored Aussies = )

                Wonderful breed though, no matter what the color. The statistics are pretty humorous though. Congrats on your pups!

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by OveroHunter View Post
                  Why couldn't we defy the odds the other way around with 9 merles??? It's the same 0.2% chance!
                  Bummer how those statistically independent events still bite you!! On the up side, they are all darling. You just need to get to a statistically significant sample size, say the litter of 50 or so

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                  • #10
                    My last dog was a blue merle (standard size). My current dog is a mini black tri. I had two requirements, female and good temperment. Here's a pic of my old girl
                    http://www.flickr.com/photos/simbalism/3193170457/ and a pic of my current pup. http://www.flickr.com/photos/simbalism/5689079549/. Can't wait to see pics of them as they get bigger.

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                    • #11
                      Well holy heck - I guess I need to take a day trip out to Southern Cross soon! I mean....an Aussie makes a good wedding gift* to my fiancé, right?







                      *DISCLAIMER: Puppies are not gifts unless both parties of the household are responsible and familiar with the breed of puppy they obtain from a reputable source and both are in agreement as to the purchase of the puppy.
                      If wishes were horses then beggars would ride...
                      DLA: Draft Lovers Anonymous
                      Originally posted by talkofthetown
                      As in, the majikal butterfly-fahting gypsy vanners.

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                        Originally posted by HydroPHILE View Post
                        Well holy heck - I guess I need to take a day trip out to Southern Cross soon! I mean....an Aussie makes a good wedding gift* to my fiancé, right?
                        Definitely, they're great dogs I'll keep everyone posted with pics. They are adorably improbable
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                        • #13
                          I suppose they can't/don't "merle out" as they get older? Something like my appy did? I breed Paints and I love to joke that my breeding stock colt and filly are going to "paint out" some day.

                          It can happen though. Someone dumped a pregnant cat on our farm about 6 years ago who gave birth to three white kittens. Not my cup of tea -- solid white kittens? Ugh. And then... and then... their Siamese markings started to show up. We were absolutely delighted!

                          I think the pups are adorable and sure to please!
                          Shall I tell you what I find beautiful about you? You are at your very best when things are worst.
                          Starman

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                            #14
                            That's how Australian Cattledogs are, but not Aussies Cattledogs, aka blue heelers, like Pumpkin (pics above) "color out."

                            High school SAT test:

                            Australian Shepherd is to Paint as Australian Cattledog is to Appaloosa

                            Merles are born merle from what I have seen and from what I have researched; however, if one of these guys "merles out," I'll be uber duber excited
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                            • #15
                              Kind of off topic but since you guys are the experts. I need a dog to trail ride (approx 4-5 miles at a time, 3/4 walking speed) My husband mtn bikes the same distance with the dog at higher speeds. The Aussies I have met seem kind of mellow. Would this be too much activity ? Sometimes the dog would do both in the same day. I have a field bred rough coat collie that has been doing this but is getting older. Her activity level is kind of like a slightly mellow border collie.

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                              • #16
                                Solid as in?

                                Solid as in no white? Solid black? Solid red? Not that it really matters. (spoken as the happy owner of a black bi and a blue merle). Parent's are lovely by the way but I'm with those waiting for puppy pictures!

                                Oh, and Liberty, most Aussie's tend to be pretty high energy. I only tried to trail ride with mine once though. They went a short way and then went back to keep and eye on the farm while I was gone.
                                Whatever you can do, or dream you can, begin it. Boldness has genius, power, and magic in it. Goethe

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                                • #17
                                  I'm a fan of tri-colors versus the merles....your pups are adorable!

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                                  • #18
                                    Originally posted by LibertyRun View Post
                                    The Aussies I have met seem kind of mellow. Would this be too much activity ?
                                    I have never met a mellow Aussie - can you send me one? lol

                                    Aussies are very athletic dogs and can go all day if you let them. I don't think jogging 4-5 miles would be tough at all.

                                    Friends of ours have several Aussies (they breed once every 5 years and train/perform in herding events,) and even her oldest one (at 12) is going' strong.
                                    If wishes were horses then beggars would ride...
                                    DLA: Draft Lovers Anonymous
                                    Originally posted by talkofthetown
                                    As in, the majikal butterfly-fahting gypsy vanners.

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                                      #19
                                      Solid as in not a merle (kinda like a roan in horses), but they do have plenty of white.

                                      Aussies are the best trail dogs! We took Jitterbug (the mom) to Big South Fork with us about 3 months ago and she did one 5 mile ride and one 15 mile ride. She loved it!

                                      Bocephus (the dad) is pretty mellow, but I think he is the exception, not the rule
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                                      • #20
                                        In border collies, we call the merle a "candy color"....I own a "candy" colored BC and while she is absolutely stupendous, she is not as brave or consistent a worker (on stock) as my traditional, plain jane black and white.

                                        Color does not make the dog! I know it's easy to say that when you have people wanting merles though.

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