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    #41
    Originally posted by Chall View Post
    This is very helpful - thanks!

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      #42
      Originally posted by blue_heron View Post

      I am very allergic to specific breeds and I am not allergic to my Whippet. Some people are only allergic to saliva, but greys and other sighthounds have very short hair that doesn't "stick" to your clothes and furniture. Sometimes people are allergic to individual dogs or bloodlines and not others. It is all very strange.

      I understand her reluctance to look at a dog in person. The benefit may be that they could see it outside.
      I shared this information with her. I think Whippets are very cool dogs.

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        #43
        Originally posted by RacetrackReject View Post

        That's slightly terrifying. They don't refer to them as Maligators for nothing....

        I second or third the standard poodle. That was my first dog and she was the absolute best. People tend to forget that poodles are sporting dogs so they are not as fragile as they think.

        Maybe a soft-coated Wheaten Terrier? They do have to be brushed but are considered one of the "non-shedding" breeds and are medium-sized.
        She doesn't like the poodle muzzle shape for some reason, but I think poodles are a smart and fun breed. She would like the soft-coated Wheaten, it's just hard to find them and often litters six months out already have deposits on puppies.

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          Originally posted by Sanely Eccentric View Post

          She doesn't like the poodle muzzle shape for some reason, but I think poodles are a smart and fun breed. She would like the soft-coated Wheaten, it's just hard to find them and often litters six months out already have deposits on puppies.
          I wonder if part of her muzzle issue is because most of them are shaved? Gun dog poodles have a different look and I have seen many that look like a curly-haired lab. As I'm sure you know, conformation ring bred dogs vs working bred dogs are often miles apart in terms of looks. I get that she isn't into poodles, it's just that she's against what is probably the best choice for what she needs. lol Sometimes you just have to look at what the must-haves are, then compromise to get something that fits.

          I grew up with Siberian Huskies and love them, but when I needed to get a new dog and started looking at what would fit with my lifestyle and environment, I ended up with a JRT. I had never had a small dog in my life!! I had also heard all of the horror stories about JRTs, but I love my guy and he is the best dog. I don't know that I would ever want a different breed now.

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            #45
            After months of Kendi researching breeds, breeders, etc. and finding waiting lists of 6-12 months a breeder called Kendi today unexpectantly with an available puppy. She’s an f1b berniedoodle so lots of poodle genetics to help on possible allergies. If it doesn’t work out the pup will just have to live with me.

            Edited to add that there’s an adult keeping the pup safe on the Loveland sign while carefully hiding.
            Last edited by Sanely Eccentric; Aug. 12, 2020, 10:29 PM.

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              #46
              Originally posted by RacetrackReject View Post

              I wonder if part of her muzzle issue is because most of them are shaved? Gun dog poodles have a different look and I have seen many that look like a curly-haired lab. As I'm sure you know, conformation ring bred dogs vs working bred dogs are often miles apart in terms of looks. I get that she isn't into poodles, it's just that she's against what is probably the best choice for what she needs. lol Sometimes you just have to look at what the must-haves are, then compromise to get something that fits.

              I grew up with Siberian Huskies and love them, but when I needed to get a new dog and started looking at what would fit with my lifestyle and environment, I ended up with a JRT. I had never had a small dog in my life!! I had also heard all of the horror stories about JRTs, but I love my guy and he is the best dog. I don't know that I would ever want a different breed now.
              I am with you on the poodles.

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                #47
                It looks like you have a pick! and a good one.
                But, can I add a note of caution on poodles? They are smart, active, confident dogs and too many people look at the coat and not the mind. With a confident owner who works with them and has the time for them, they are awesome. They can also be absolute nightmares. I know one that was bought by a couple, she knows dogs, he does not, they have kids about the age of your daughter's. It might have worked, except they really were looking for a confident couch potato and this dog wants to be doing things. It is now a full grown, standard poodle. It looks cute....and bites; it is never off leash even in their fenced yard if people are visiting. I suspect it will end up being put down, hopefully not after it gets a child. Which makes it the third standard poodle kept by the wrong people that I know of.

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                  #48
                  Berniedoodle?

                  Sorry, I just don't get it.

                  A Bernese Mountain dog is a double-coated breed. An F1B might still shed unless the F1 was specifically selected for coat type.

                  I hope the breeders have done health clearances on the parents.

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                    #49
                    I'm afraid I have to agree with above. I've never seen a lot of luck with the doodle crosses. All I've seen have severe allergies, constant ear infections, and training difficulties. This is also probably going to turn into a HUGE dog. Much bigger than I would want to own and could be hard on little kids, especially when young and playful.

                    He is cute though!! I would take him just for the day lol

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                      Originally posted by blue_heron View Post
                      I'm afraid I have to agree with above. I've never seen a lot of luck with the doodle crosses. All I've seen have severe allergies, constant ear infections, and training difficulties. This is also probably going to turn into a HUGE dog. Much bigger than I would want to own and could be hard on little kids, especially when young and playful.

                      He is cute though!! I would take him just for the day lol
                      And the poodle x double coated coats need real grooming. They *must* be managed or they can mat horribly to the extent that veterinary care might be required. As any groomer their opinion of Goldendoodles - you'll get an earful.

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                        #51
                        The puppy, I would agree, sure looks cute.

                        Count me in the 'not fond of' designer hybrid dogs.

                        An AKC (for lack of a better, ATM, registry) pure bred dog assures a better guess at what the puppies might be like, particularly if the breeder (since the AKC is a registry organization, not enforcement) is contiencious and breeds after doing health checks as appropriate for the breed and what the parents bring to the table.

                        Any hybrid is putting all your dice into a dice cup, shaking that cup and getting something out. Problem is you might end up with the best of both parents but you could also end up with the worst of both parents or some variation in between. The offspring of a hybrid breeding are much less predictable than pure bred. Yes, pure bred puppies are no guarantee but at least the odds are tipped more in your favor with a pup that is much more 'predictable'.
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                          #52
                          Originally posted by B and B View Post
                          It looks like you have a pick! and a good one.
                          But, can I add a note of caution on poodles? They are smart, active, confident dogs and too many people look at the coat and not the mind. With a confident owner who works with them and has the time for them, they are awesome. They can also be absolute nightmares. I know one that was bought by a couple, she knows dogs, he does not, they have kids about the age of your daughter's. It might have worked, except they really were looking for a confident couch potato and this dog wants to be doing things. It is now a full grown, standard poodle. It looks cute....and bites; it is never off leash even in their fenced yard if people are visiting. I suspect it will end up being put down, hopefully not after it gets a child. Which makes it the third standard poodle kept by the wrong people that I know of.
                          Thank you, I think she is as well. This pup has a kind and fun temperament and she is smart. DD has successfully raised many a guide dog puppy so this pup will be properly trained/raised and socialized with excellent manners.

                          Unfortunately I don’t think poor or lack of training and socializing is limited to poodles. It says much more of the person than the breed.
                          Last edited by Sanely Eccentric; Aug. 13, 2020, 11:58 PM.

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                            #53
                            Originally posted by blue_heron View Post
                            I'm afraid I have to agree with above. I've never seen a lot of luck with the doodle crosses. All I've seen have severe allergies, constant ear infections, and training difficulties. This is also probably going to turn into a HUGE dog. Much bigger than I would want to own and could be hard on little kids, especially when young and playful.

                            He is cute though!! I would take him just for the day lol
                            I’ve heard many people talk about how much they love their doodle. There are many in our neighborhood so I’ve literally asked people about their dog and experience. As for allergies which typically cause ear infections, there are many food options that can help a lot, plus simple medical interventions.

                            This girl is expected to be around 70 pounds and our family has typically had large breeds. The kids have been learning how to correctly manage a puppy and that will be ongoing with their puppy. She will be taught good manners around everyone as well.

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                              #54
                              Originally posted by S1969 View Post

                              And the poodle x double coated coats need real grooming. They *must* be managed or they can mat horribly to the extent that veterinary care might be required. As any groomer their opinion of Goldendoodles - you'll get an earful.
                              Grooming has already begun as a daily routine. We’re trying out a variety of brushes to figure out which work best. Our family takes very good care of our animals so no worries.

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                                #55
                                Originally posted by Where'sMyWhite View Post
                                The puppy, I would agree, sure looks cute.

                                Count me in the 'not fond of' designer hybrid dogs.

                                An AKC (for lack of a better, ATM, registry) pure bred dog assures a better guess at what the puppies might be like, particularly if the breeder (since the AKC is a registry organization, not enforcement) is contiencious and breeds after doing health checks as appropriate for the breed and what the parents bring to the table.

                                Any hybrid is putting all your dice into a dice cup, shaking that cup and getting something out. Problem is you might end up with the best of both parents but you could also end up with the worst of both parents or some variation in between. The offspring of a hybrid breeding are much less predictable than pure bred. Yes, pure bred puppies are no guarantee but at least the odds are tipped more in your favor with a pup that is much more 'predictable'.
                                That’s exactly why DD has researched so much plus we’ve watched the GDB breeding program for nearly 25 years, both purebreds and crosses. If it were me I would have gone with a poodle for less allergy possibilities, yet it’s ultimately their decision. No matter what this cutie will be well-raised and be in the family for her lifetime, extended family if needed.

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                                  #56
                                  Originally posted by S1969 View Post
                                  Berniedoodle?

                                  Sorry, I just don't get it.

                                  A Bernese Mountain dog is a double-coated breed. An F1B might still shed unless the F1 was specifically selected for coat type.

                                  I hope the breeders have done health clearances on the parents.
                                  DD has been very careful with these considerations.

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                                    #57
                                    Originally posted by Sanely Eccentric View Post

                                    She doesn't like the poodle muzzle shape for some reason, but I think poodles are a smart and fun breed. She would like the soft-coated Wheaten, it's just hard to find them and often litters six months out already have deposits on puppies.
                                    I love my Toy Poodle. He is almost human in his ability to follow conversations and pick up on emotions. Muzzle shape has a lot to do with how they are groomed. I play around with Jetson's clip all the time. How he is clipped changes everything in how he looks.

                                    Finding the right breed and then the right breeder is key. Most good breeders will have a wait list. Remember, patience is a virtue and that time on a wait list can be spent getting ready for the puppy. I have been waiting years for my favorite GSD breeder to have a litter. Now that she has a litter on the way, I am on her list. My husband does not know that, but I can work on him.

                                    Please, don't doodle. I know how Poodle breeders feel about it and a friend is a Golden breeder (well known for her successful conformation dogs and well loved family pets) and I know how she feels about doodles. I own a Dachshund/Poodle mix (from a rescue) and her coat is a nightmare. I can't think of any doodle breeders that are starting off with the best examples of each breed. And that is what your daughter should be aiming for, the best example of her chosen breed.

                                    I am totally jealous of your puppy raising experience! When I was a kid, raising a GDB puppy was my dream.
                                    Sheilah

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                                      #58
                                      Originally posted by blue_heron View Post
                                      I'm afraid I have to agree with above. I've never seen a lot of luck with the doodle crosses. All I've seen have severe allergies, constant ear infections, and training difficulties. This is also probably going to turn into a HUGE dog. Much bigger than I would want to own and could be hard on little kids, especially when young and playful.

                                      He is cute though!! I would take him just for the day lol
                                      Polo, the LhasaPoo respectfully disagrees

                                      Healthy and sturdy and stubborn as a rock, velcrodog and don't tell him he's smarter than me.
                                      Funny, happy goofy boy. Crazy smart but not too brite.

                                      He is probably a second generation cross back to a poodle.

                                      The poodles and doodles I know need an alpha owner that respects their talents.



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                                        #59
                                        Originally posted by Irish Ei's View Post

                                        Polo, the LhasaPoo respectfully disagrees

                                        Healthy and sturdy and stubborn as a rock, velcrodog and don't tell him he's smarter than me.
                                        Funny, happy goofy boy. Crazy smart but not too brite.

                                        He is probably a second generation cross back to a poodle.

                                        The poodles and doodles I know need an alpha owner that respects their talents.


                                        I've never seen a lhasapoo! I've mostly met labradoodles and goldendoodles and I have yet to meet one without a string of ear infections. Much less trainable.

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                                          #60
                                          Originally posted by blue_heron View Post

                                          I've never seen a lhasapoo! I've mostly met labradoodles and goldendoodles and I have yet to meet one without a string of ear infections. Much less trainable.
                                          I've only met 4

                                          And 2 of them were mine
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