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    Lots of changes this year with construction at The Piers, most notably scheduling over 3 days. That's unusual! I do feel bad for the pro handlers and their dogs that are benched for all 3 days. I know most have assistants but I believe the benching areas need to be manned all day each day, so dogs are stuck there. A pro I know has Monday off so they will actually get some time to see the city; I'm assuming they either have paid help or volunteer help for that day.

    Anyone going?

    I usually know most in my breed but no one this year that I'm very close to; last year my dog's breeder won the breed with my dog's dam's littermate (essentially the male version of his dam) and they got pulled in the group which was exciting.

    Any picks for the winner? I don't have a pick, but the top Old English Sheepdog is shown near me and is now ranked #7 all breeds, so it would be nice for a "local" to win. (I don't think the dog is local but the handler shows in my local area.)

    I have my breed cued up for live feed on Tuesday am. We have a 65" monitor in our conference room I'm hoping to show it on.

    #2
    I am going to a “Westminster Viewing Party” which is overnight PJ party Tuesday night, because no one wanted to drive home after late night Best In Show plus pitch dark rural area plus large herds of deer about plus adult beverages. One of the party is a professional handler and several of us are judges, so the comments will no doubt flow freely! Have you all checked out the “Westminster White Women in White Suits Judging” parody/satire on YouTube? LOL.

    I have seen a few of the top dogs this year. One I saw recently at the Hound Show in Richmond, Va was Finn the Afghan from the West Coast- a real head-turner, fantastic movement. The Hound Group is Monday night.

    Yes I heard because of construction at the Piers, tickets for daytime breed judging sold out early and people were disappointed.

    I showed my first Irish Wolfhound at Westminster at the age of 13 in 1972. Incredible experience. I was back in my 20s but haven’t been since. More fun to spectate there rather than show, I think, particularly if you have a giant breed.

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      #3
      That sounds like fun! I've done a group conference call with everyone watching the breed judging on live feed before. It was fun but there were delays so we had to be careful not to give away spoilers!

      Yes, people are still trying to find spectator passes and I don't think they will get them. Hopefully next year will be back to normal.

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        I wonder which Azawakh (hound group) will win breed. There is a handler who exhibits in typical North African garb which seems like it would be a challenge, but have seen her on tv and it works well. First year for this breed to be shown at the Garden. My interest is not just because I love the sighthounds, but also because I used to have one at my house. He was owned by a permanent houseguest, but became part of our pack (we both showed). A fascinating breed!

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          #5
          Hounds and Herding breeds today....

          https://www.westminsterkennelclub.org/

          I was hoping we could get the catalog but I guess not yet. Technically it shouldn't be available until the show starts, so it should be up around 9am when judging starts.

          You can also watch on a mobile device with the Westminster app https://www.westminsterkennelclub.or...mobile-devices

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            Thanks for that link, it's fun to peek in.

            I just saw something weird with the Ibizan Hounds. This handler had pink things in her mouth that she was chewing and she took one out of her mouth and popped it in the dog's mouth. She's wearing a grey suit. Whaaaat?? She's still chewing something here and there. Bubble gum?

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              There are lots of sharing of treats between dogs and handlers. Hope they taste good.

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                Originally posted by Moonlitoaks View Post
                Thanks for that link, it's fun to peek in.

                I just saw something weird with the Ibizan Hounds. This handler had pink things in her mouth that she was chewing and she took one out of her mouth and popped it in the dog's mouth. She's wearing a grey suit. Whaaaat?? She's still chewing something here and there. Bubble gum?
                Possibly hot dogs. I used hot dogs a lot for bait because I liked the taste. Obedience people use then a lot for training purposes because you can spit them to your dog. Gets the dog to focus on your face. They are a choking hazard though.

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                  Originally posted by Moonlitoaks View Post
                  Thanks for that link, it's fun to peek in.

                  I just saw something weird with the Ibizan Hounds. This handler had pink things in her mouth that she was chewing and she took one out of her mouth and popped it in the dog's mouth. She's wearing a grey suit. Whaaaat?? She's still chewing something here and there. Bubble gum?
                  It's bait, and the handlers are just holding it in their mouth. It's faster and more convenient to hold it in your mouth than in a pocket. So she probably has a bigger piece in her mouth and broke a smaller piece off for the dog. Could be a hot dog or any other of food that the dog will eat.

                  I use slices of steak for bait because it's not too gross to hold in your mouth, doesn't melt like cheese, doesn't crumble like chicken, not slippery like hot dogs. You get over the kind of gross sharing of germs from sharing bait with the dog pretty quickly after a few times of fumbling for bait in your pocket while the few seconds you get in front of the judge starts to tick away.

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                    Hot dog makes perfect sense! It was funny seeing her spit out this big pink thing and walk around with lumps in her cheek. I guess she isn't getting judged on conformation! I know these handlers are professionals and might take many different dogs into the ring. It makes sense that they have a system to get the dog's focused on them. Is it different if the owner shows the dog? I would think the dogs would focus on their owners better.

                    I love seeing the different breeds.

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                      Originally posted by Moonlitoaks View Post
                      Hot dog makes perfect sense! It was funny seeing her spit out this big pink thing and walk around with lumps in her cheek. I guess she isn't getting judged on conformation! I know these handlers are professionals and might take many different dogs into the ring. It makes sense that they have a system to get the dog's focused on them. Is it different if the owner shows the dog? I would think the dogs would focus on their owners better.

                      I love seeing the different breeds.
                      Not all of the handlers are pros. There are a lot of owners at Westminster as well. By the final groups you will see it stacked with pros, but breed judging is different. It's really almost two separate shows - the breed judging and the group judging (at least that's how I think of dog shows.)

                      In theory, you have more time to work with your dog so they may focus on you more than a pro handler, but in reality - pro handlers are very good at handling dogs. And a lot of owners are not. It's not as easy as it looks. It's a little bit like riding - there are many little corrections and adjustments that, when done well, are invisible to a spectator and makes it look like the dog is just trotting in a happy little circle. But the handler is really doing a lot of directing - and you know that because a good handler can make almost any dog look better, even if it's the first time they've ever met it.

                      Some of the best handlers are breeder/owners. Both my dogs are bred by people who almost exclusively show just the one breed, but have handled some of the top dogs in the breed (some of their own breeding, and some just because they are really great handlers.) Judges know who they are, as well.

                      I'm a pretty good handler but both my breeders make me look like an idiot in comparison.

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                        The Fox live feed isn't the best. I'm having trouble finding certain breeds. But I understand that breed videos are being uploaded to YouTube as soon as they are done:

                        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AIHXVe8n3-I

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                          I watched the Live stream yesterday. A dog I bred finished 4th in the 8" division last night

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                            Originally posted by Marshfield View Post
                            I watched the Live stream yesterday. A dog I bred finished 4th in the 8" division last night
                            Congratulations!! That's really exciting. I love watching agility. In my next life I will find the time to play that game with my dogs.

                            Did you watch any breed judging? Do you know the breed people? (I like to watch just to see who I know as much as for the dogs. I like to see who is the crowd spectating too.)

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                              I know several of the dogs competing in my breed. I'm wishing them all the very best of luck and hope they do great...but there's a part of me that hopes for no best in show for them because it tends to throw a breed into the public eye and popularity can mess up a breed. Pretty safe bet though, since Chesapeakes aren't exactly glamorous show dogs. One friend's Chessie exhibiting has won multiple best in shows and a zillion group placements and wins, and is also a master hunter and qualified all age in field trials.
                              "Argue for your limitations and you get to keep them."
                              -Richard S. Bach

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                                #16
                                Where is the Masters Agility? I tuned into FS1 and it’s drag racing. On Westminster’s site it lists FS1. Am I missing something?

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                                  well, I have dish and FS1 is out as they are negotiating. I Missed yesterday, but today I am watching yesterdays on line. Will I be able to watch online live tonight?
                                  Another killer of threads

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                                    I appreciate the live feed and the videos! I cant even pretend to judge a dog show like I try and armchair judge livestock and horse shows. I liked the camera that showed them gaiting head on.

                                    I swear one of the cattle dogs looked at the camera and winked 😂
                                    Kick On

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                                      Originally posted by Larksmom View Post
                                      well, I have dish and FS1 is out as they are negotiating. I Missed yesterday, but today I am watching yesterdays on line. Will I be able to watch online live tonight?
                                      I'm not sure. Aren't the groups on regular TV like usual? I just assumed they would be but haven't actually checked.

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                                        it is on Fox Sport. I was actually watching, (this morning,) on my computer some classes from yesterday, but DISH is 'renewing' their contract with Fox sport, so it is sort of on strike. I can't get it now. I am wondering if I can watch on line? If they are holding the station hostage, can I watch thru the Westminster site?
                                        Another killer of threads

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