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    #41
    Originally posted by GramV View Post
    Oh, and MAYBE telling idiot wife (and husband) that since her children can make their own food, she should send them off to school somewhere or out to be on their own now since they don't "need" their mother. Do you have any children?
    Okay... this is AWESOME and I'm gonna use it!
    Boyle Heights Kid 1998 16.1h OTTB Dark Bay Gelding
    Quiet Miracle 2010 16.1h OTTB Bay Gelding
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    • #42
      Well I picked up my current Lab at 6 weeks and she is just fine. However, I do have an older Lab and there were older dogs at the barn too. So she got to socialize from the beginning with good examples.....all the older girls are/were very well behaved. My DH was also working from home at the time so she was never alone and had constant supervision...then I would take her to the barn in the afternoons. She started right away doing trail rides with us around the property. So maybe that is the difference? I have gotten several pups younger than 8 weeks over the years and all have been just fine - but again there were older dogs in the house and they had dog friends to play with.

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      • #43
        Originally posted by Uncorked View Post
        Well I picked up my current Lab at 6 weeks and she is just fine. However, I do have an older Lab and there were older dogs at the barn too. So she got to socialize from the beginning with good examples.....all the older girls are/were very well behaved. My DH was also working from home at the time so she was never alone and had constant supervision...then I would take her to the barn in the afternoons. She started right away doing trail rides with us around the property. So maybe that is the difference? I have gotten several pups younger than 8 weeks over the years and all have been just fine - but again there were older dogs in the house and they had dog friends to play with.
        Also, some people have a knack for training, which is a 24/7 way to manage your dog's life so it is not on it's own and doing wrong.
        Add to that some dogs are bred to be very biddable, over the top amenable to work with humans, not always necessarily from any one breed, although some breeds are generally formed just for that, labs one of those.

        So, if you pick a dog from a dogs that are bred to work well with their humans, or are lucky to get a dog of any bred that has that trait in spades, you can say you are already ahead to have a well adjusted, easy to train dog.

        My rat terrier is from a breed known for being independent, not necessarily bred to work with people over doing their own thing.
        Well, lucky me, she just happen to inherit a huge desire to be and do things with you, was the easiest dog to train and live with of the many I ever worked with.

        My point, there is more than just when a puppy is weaned, but when it comes to something as important as a dog you will live with for many years, we should learn all we can up front and stack the deck in our dog and our benefit, if we can.

        When we can't, we just work with what we have and manage the results best we can.

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        • #44
          Originally posted by Uncorked View Post
          Well I picked up my current Lab at 6 weeks and she is just fine. However, I do have an older Lab and there were older dogs at the barn too. So she got to socialize from the beginning with good examples.....all the older girls are/were very well behaved. My DH was also working from home at the time so she was never alone and had constant supervision...then I would take her to the barn in the afternoons. She started right away doing trail rides with us around the property. So maybe that is the difference? I have gotten several pups younger than 8 weeks over the years and all have been just fine - but again there were older dogs in the house and they had dog friends to play with.
          Why are you taking these puppies at 6 weeks?

          Can they do ok? Sure. And lots of kids grow up fine after having been in the NICU or in an orphanage, or in multiple foster homes as infants. It doesn't mean that this is good for them, though.

          And sometimes there is a real reason for puppies to be placed in a home early - the dam dies, the dam is sick, there are other unexpected issues....etc.

          But when there is no specific reason - why wouldn't the breeder want the puppies to get the best chance for success? If it's because they are "too much work" or because the owners "think they look ready"....or the breeder "needs the money sooner".....they are all willing to sacrifice the well-being of the puppy for their own selfish reasons.

          This is why people call these people backyard breeders or puppy mill breeders. Because they are.

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          • #45
            Originally posted by Bluey View Post
            In today's very complicated world, to have a dog that is a breed that scares so many is a big, serious liability.
            You have to start by liking that breed way above any other and then train them to the max and always manage them so they never, ever put a paw out of place.

            A pit bull has to be a perfect dog to even be considered a nice dog.
            A dog of most other breeds can be obnoxious or even dangerous and get a pass because it is not a breed with a dangerous dog reputation.

            All puppies are adorable.
            Just be sure you take that oh so adorable puppy home for the right reasons
            and will follow with a lifetime of very good management, no matter what breed.
            Especially if of a breed with a bad reputation, if deserved or not.

            That is the reality of the dog world today, be sure your DH is very clear about that, especially starting with a puppy being weaned too early, where it may have temperament problems later from that lack of important early social learning.
            I wish I could like this more than once, so I'm going to quote it. Bluey, this is very well said and articulated some of my thoughts better than I could have. I bolded the two points that really resonated with me.

            I could not own a pit bull or Staffy type because it would have to be a perfect dog -and I would have to be a perfect owner/handler every minute of every day- to earn even the lowest consideration. And there is no such thing as perfect. It would be way too much pressure and judgement for me.

            Not to mention insurance, county, and housing restrictions.

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            • #46
              [QUOTE=Bicoastal;n10120796]I could not own a pit bull or Staffy type because it would have to be a perfect dog -and I would have to be a perfect owner/handler every minute of every day- to earn even the lowest consideration. And there is no such thing as perfect. It would be way too much pressure and judgement for me.QUOTE]

              I disagree with this--it's just overly dramatic. As you said there is no perfect owner or dog. Period.

              Does a blocky headed dog owner need to be a bit more aware and thoughtful than the average lab/beagle/corgi owner? Absolutely! But we aren't talking about owning alligators or venomous snakes or dragons! If owners would just think through the situations that the insert themselves and their dogs into, there would be far fewer problems from all breeds.

              Am I going to take my staffy to a dog park to encounter who knows what kinds of situations? Nope. Am I going to enforce/reward good behavior to ensure that my dog not only acts like an angel but is a top notch steward of her (god knows what all) breed since I know she's going to get some looks? You betcha. Am I going to do ridiculous things like dress her up in costumes and such so that anyone who might possibly think she's scary is too busy laughing instead? Totes. But that's not going to stop me from taking her to Tractor Supply or dog class or hiking (assuming I could convince her that physical activity is fun) or swimming with friends. She's a dog for goodness sake, she needs to go do fun dog things. But she's going to go do them with outstanding manners. Something that I wish the average chihuahua or dachshund owner would endorse.

              Flip a coin. It's not what side lands that matters, but what side you were hoping for when the coin was still in the air.

              You call it boxed wine. I call it carboardeaux.

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              • #47
                She irresponsibly bred mutts and is charging a rehoming fee and wants to off load them during a critical period of development. She needs to keep them until 8 weeks and do a pediatric spay/neuter. If her judgment is so poor that she thinks the world needs more pitX then she is probably going to rehome them to anyone with a pulse. The least she can do is ensure these puppies don't produce puppies in 6 months. If they are crying during the night they are hungry, cold, scared, or all three. It really is not that hard to raise puppies and kittens. Feed the damn things, keep them safe, and take basic safety precautions. The notion that tossing them in an unsecured pen is seen as a viable option is disgusting.

                Needless to say, this is something that hits close to home. On my facebook timeline I've seen 8 pit rehoming posts this week, 6 litters of kittens, and 4 mixed small breeds. Spay and neuter your pets people.

                OP best of luck. You have a stronger stomach than I if you can stay involved with a situation like that. It sounds like you are the only one advocating for the welfare of these poor puppies. Perhaps you can help your friend identify low cost spay/neuter options and get mom and appointment book in a month before she "accidentally" ends up pregnant again.

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                • #48
                  As a pit bull owner and foster of bullies I do feel responsible to train and raise these dogs to be as good of ambassadors as they can be. There is such a stigma (wrongly placed) on these dogs that we have to be responsible and aware of these misguided people. Thankfully I live in a place where the bullies are welcome and loved by many with very few showing the ignorance of the fear of "pit bulls".

                  https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?f...type=3&theater

                  one of my fosters (not really a bully but some think he is DNA shows mostly Boston, with Sharpei, Catahoula and Staffordshire Bull terrier) showing how stable and trustworthy he is. He spent the afternoon surrounded by middle schoolers as they loved and hugged on him. He was in heaven

                  Koda at his first adoption event https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?f...type=3&theater

                  I hope these puppies all end up well. At least the owner is charging a fee to keep the bad folks from getting them. Too many are given away for free when unwanted litters happen. Yes spay and neuter your dogs so you don't add to the unwanted pet population.

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                  • #49
                    I'd offer to foster mom and litter for next 3 weeks, just so they get the necessary socialization. Then return to her to sell, and keep your puppy.
                    if the puppies are crying a lit, chances are, she isn't feeding them often enough if mom is weaning them. Puppies that young need about 3-4 feedings per day, minimum.

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                      #50
                      We were able to get them to agree keep the puppies closer to 7 weeks because at 5 weeks they weren't old enough to have their first shots and since they were charging a fee, I convinced them that was only right. It seems I was the only one concerned about the age of the puppies because when we went to get her, only her and one of her litter mates was still there

                      So far she seems to be adjusting well... minimal whining, she sleeps well at night so far and was only up to go out to pee twice. She LOVES my son and is glued to his side constantly. She's smart, bold and curious.

                      I appreciate everyone's feedback and I promise we will do everything we can to assure she grows up to be a well adjusted member of society. I will admit to having a soft spot for the ones who are misunderstood or given a bad name because of idiots.

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                      • #51
                        Enjoy your cute puppy, is not her fault how people are.

                        You do your best, already had enough advice there.
                        Remember most dogs are nice dogs, well adjusted and good citizens.
                        We mostly hear from those that cause trouble, why some times caution is in every one's mind.

                        She may go thru a couple fear periods, a serious one around week 12, a lighter one around 8 months.
                        Give her time, don't push it when she is there.
                        The whole world for a bit looks scary.
                        They get over it on their own as they grow past that stage.

                        Glad that she is happy in your family.

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                          #52
                          Thanks Bluey after meeting her I couldn't say no. Especially after seeing how her and my son are already getting along.

                          Pooped out here
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                          • #53
                            She's very cute! I'm glad she was able to have some extra mom/sibling contact.
                            Your son looks young but if he's well behaved then I'd recommend looking for a place that will allow him to attend puppy classes with you, even if he's only allowed to watch. It's good education for kids and it will help the pup in the long run if she recognizes him as a leader. The place where I frequently attend classes has lots of junior handling workshops as well, everything from obedience to agility, tricks, and scent training.

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                              #54
                              GoodTimes Tristan would enjoy that!

                              Things continue to go well with her, she loves her crate and will go in it on her own when she's tired. I wish I had my camera yesterday. They were both very cute.
                              Boyle Heights Kid 1998 16.1h OTTB Dark Bay Gelding
                              Quiet Miracle 2010 16.1h OTTB Bay Gelding
                              "Once you go off track, you never go back!"

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