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"Those Western riders just sit up there, they don't ride"

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  • #21
    "Those Western riders just sit up there, they don't ride"

    Who says that about cutting horse riders?

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    • #22
      The deep footing is pretty much standard in the cutting pen. My ring at home is a stone dust base with 6-8 inches of river sand on top. My horses are used to working in it and we leg them up extensively before showing.

      It does make for a soft landing when you come off!
      "You can't fix stupid"- Ron White

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        #23
        Originally posted by alicen View Post
        "Those Western riders just sit up there, they don't ride"

        Who says that about cutting horse riders?
        The gals on the Dressage forum who think you A) pull on the horn, rather than push and B) think you can ride a cutter bareback, or in an English saddle.

        Not that they all say that: Just that TWO of them absolutely believe it. They don't know it, but they believe it.

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        • #24
          Have the gals on the dressage forum try it, video tape it and post it here for us to see!

          I've got a twice foundered cutter here that I would dare anyone to attempt to cut on bareback! When he was sound, he dumped a professional cutting horse trainer because he is that damn catty. I'm 100% sure he could do it with being unsound too!

          Now, cutting on him brideless is another story! Sheer ecstasy!!!
          "You can't fix stupid"- Ron White

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          • #25
            Originally posted by katarine View Post
            The gals on the Dressage forum who think you A) pull on the horn, rather than push and B) think you can ride a cutter bareback, or in an English saddle.

            Not that they all say that: Just that TWO of them absolutely believe it. They don't know it, but they believe it.
            The dressage people were pointing out that tack does matter, with my point being that a cutter wouldn't try to cut in a jumping saddle. Or maybe I said dressage saddle? I don't remember now.

            It was the western dressage proponents that were saying they had been in the cutting pen with an English saddle, or were posting pictures of bareback "cutting".

            Please don't say it was dressage folks saying it! It was the western dressage folks who said it!

            I boarded at Sperry Ranch in Stockton, California in the mid-80's and the WP trainer there took a cutting lesson and never went back to WP. She was hooked.

            It looks like a ton of fun. I am fascinated at how quiet the horse and rider have to be as they move into the herd and make their cut.
            Sheilah

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              #26
              Originally posted by IdahoRider View Post
              The dressage people were pointing out that tack does matter, with my point being that a cutter wouldn't try to cut in a jumping saddle. Or maybe I said dressage saddle? I don't remember now.

              It was the western dressage proponents that were saying they had been in the cutting pen with an English saddle, or were posting pictures of bareback "cutting".

              Please don't say it was dressage folks saying it! It was the western dressage folks who said it!


              I boarded at Sperry Ranch in Stockton, California in the mid-80's and the WP trainer there took a cutting lesson and never went back to WP. She was hooked.

              It looks like a ton of fun. I am fascinated at how quiet the horse and rider have to be as they move into the herd and make their cut.
              Sheilah
              i'm not about to split that particular hair. The two posters I'm thinking of consider themselves both Dressage, and western dressage, riders.

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              • #27
                No, you're right, that argument is over and done. But the "gals on the dressage forum" who were making that argument were limited to just a few. The rest of us were pointing out they were full of crumbs, regardless of how quickly they found a video on Youtube of bareback "cutting".

                Please don't paint us all with such a broad brush.
                Sheilah

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                • #28
                  Indeed, you DON'T want to fall off, the horse will just keep cutting over the top of you- seen it happen even to good riders/ trainers, and the result is bruises, sometimes even broken ribs!

                  And often you just can't turn these horses out with cattle, because they'll just work them incessantly.

                  But it is VERY fun. I've recently dabbled a bit w/ my little mare- bred for cutting and 'ideal' cutting horse size at 14H. I may do more once I retire and have more time to play! I've been working cattle with her a bit for several years- and doing a bit of team penning and sorting- she does have the moves! My biggest problem is, if the cow does not react as she thinks it should, she'll go beyond just pinning the ears and try to bite the beast. Which is frowned upon.

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                    #29
                    Originally posted by IdahoRider View Post
                    No, you're right, that argument is over and done. But the "gals on the dressage forum" who were making that argument were limited to just a few. The rest of us were pointing out they were full of crumbs, regardless of how quickly they found a video on Youtube of bareback "cutting".

                    Please don't paint us all with such a broad brush.
                    Sheilah

                    Sheilah, what part of TWO is confusing:???

                    This is what I wrote:

                    The gals on the Dressage forum who think you A) pull on the horn, rather than push and B) think you can ride a cutter bareback, or in an English saddle.

                    Not that they all say that: Just that TWO of them absolutely believe it. They don't know it, but they believe it.


                    Looks like a very pointy tip, nothing remotely like a broad brush.

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                    • #30
                      Originally posted by katarine View Post
                      Sheilah, what part of TWO is confusing:???

                      This is what I wrote:

                      The gals on the Dressage forum who think you A) pull on the horn, rather than push and B) think you can ride a cutter bareback, or in an English saddle.

                      Not that they all say that: Just that TWO of them absolutely believe it. They don't know it, but they believe it.


                      Looks like a very pointy tip, nothing remotely like a broad brush.
                      You know what? You are absolutely right. I stand corrected. You did qualify your first statement later in your post.
                      Sheilah

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                      • #31
                        Originally posted by Beverley View Post
                        But it is VERY fun.
                        A cutting horse trainer had an open house at his facility and I went with a friend. I really enjoyed watching the demo rides and hearing his explanations to go with each one.

                        I attended one competition at the Idaho Horse Park and LOVED how the audience would hoot and yell. Total crowd participation. Very cool stuff.
                        Sheilah

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                          #32
                          Originally posted by IdahoRider View Post
                          You know what? You are absolutely right. I stand corrected. You did qualify your first statement later in your post.
                          Sheilah
                          Super I am glad we got sorted

                          Happy New Year, whatever you ride, wherever you ride

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                          • #33
                            If my recollection is correct, many years ago Jimmy Williams from California actually did demonstrate cutting in an english saddle?

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                              #34
                              Lacking video, that tidbit doesn't tell anyone anything. While Jimmy Williams could ride the hair off of just about anything, I doubt he'd elect to- much less succesfully ride- a competitive open level cutter in an English saddle.

                              If you don't think equipment matters, then consider a Rolex cross country course- in a cutting saddle. That's going to leave a mark.

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                              • #35
                                Katarine: there must be some film somewhere cause I know I saw it on a television screen. Anyway, I was not trying to make comparisons.

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                                • #36
                                  I am sure Jimmy was doing it to show off.

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                                    #37
                                    Originally posted by dragonharte8 View Post
                                    Katarine: there must be some film somewhere cause I know I saw it on a television screen. Anyway, I was not trying to make comparisons.
                                    well, I doubt you were making a cake or a pie...what were you doing, then?

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                                      • #39
                                        Those cutting horses are so unbelievably cat-like...it looks like something that should be on my bucket list, but I'd need a seatbelt. WOW!

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                                          [QUOTE=MistyBlue;6730576]This is my favorite cowpony...TR Dual Rey. Has more cow in him than the cows do.
                                          http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LS3y_TFbEJ8

                                          That gave me goosebumps! Any time you get to see a top equine athlete performing at their peak, it's thrilling I have minor experience with cutting and reined cowhorse, but nothing like that!

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