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    I'm leasing a registered breeding stock paint gelding that I'm considering buying when the lease is up this spring. The owner says he can be registered as a quarter horse, but I can't find anything on the AQHA website about registering paints. I like the horse a lot and not being able to register him as a QH won't be a deal breaker, but it would be huge bonus if he could be double registered. Anyone know if it can be done?

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    Are his sire and dam registered Quarter Horses?

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      #3
      I had that question a couple years ago and called the AQHA.

      They said as above, if both parents were AQHA registered and horse had too much white to register, as they required before they didn't, you can today register it.

      If it is an APHA registered horse with any paints in it's breeding, just no color, no, it can't be AQHA registered.

      Just to be double sure, since rules change regularly, why don't you call and see what they tell you?
      In your specific situation that may be different.

      I think what was passed in the AQHA may have been the ability to register "crop-out" AQHA individuals, that before were not permitted to be registered, not to now accept APHA horses.

      Some top performance horses that were crop-out and so could not be registered before, Miss White Trash one of them.
      You can find her in all breed pedigree with this write-up:

      ---"Registered with AQHA & APHA (APHA #00014179)
      1970 National Cutting Horse Association (NCHA) Futurity, took fifth place out of 250 competitors
      Winner of multiple NRHA Bronze Trophies
      NRHA Hall of Fame inductee
      As a foal, she could not be reg with the American Quarter Horse Association (AQHA) because she had too much white on her.
      The American Paint Horse Association(APHA) reg rules declared that the filly did not have enough white to be reg with them.
      Horn decided to name the horse after the trouble.
      (Later, rules were changed, and she was registered in both.)
      Owner: Bill Horn"---

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        #4
        Current rules are that both parents must have either AQHA or Jockey Club papers for the offspring to be AQHA registered. However APHA will register a horse where one parent has AQHA, APHA, or Jockey Club papers as long as one parent is APHA. If you get a hold of his paint papers you can check to see if his parents are both double registered. However the price for aqha registration for a horse above 3 years old can get pricey

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          #5
          Originally posted by Bluey View Post
          I had that question a couple years ago and called the AQHA.

          They said as above, if both parents were AQHA registered and horse had too much white to register, as they required before they didn't, you can today register it.

          If it is an APHA registered horse with any paints in it's breeding, just no color, no, it can't be AQHA registered.

          Just to be double sure, since rules change regularly, why don't you call and see what they tell you?
          In your specific situation that may be different.

          I think what was passed in the AQHA may have been the ability to register "crop-out" AQHA individuals, that before were not permitted to be registered, not to now accept APHA horses.

          Some top performance horses that were crop-out and so could not be registered before, Miss White Trash one of them.
          You can find her in all breed pedigree with this write-up:

          ---"Registered with AQHA & APHA (APHA #00014179)
          1970 National Cutting Horse Association (NCHA) Futurity, took fifth place out of 250 competitors
          Winner of multiple NRHA Bronze Trophies
          NRHA Hall of Fame inductee
          As a foal, she could not be reg with the American Quarter Horse Association (AQHA) because she had too much white on her.
          The American Paint Horse Association(APHA) reg rules declared that the filly did not have enough white to be reg with them.
          Horn decided to name the horse after the trouble.
          (Later, rules were changed, and she was registered in both.)
          Owner: Bill Horn"---
          Love me some Miss White Trash! The mother of many great ones!

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            #6
            Originally posted by aqha.apha View Post
            Current rules are that both parents must have either AQHA or Jockey Club papers for the offspring to be AQHA registered. However APHA will register a horse where one parent has AQHA, APHA, or Jockey Club papers as long as one parent is APHA. If you get a hold of his paint papers you can check to see if his parents are both double registered. However the price for aqha registration for a horse above 3 years old can get pricey
            I keep reading different things and am confused, I have a JC registered TB with high whites and a white belly, can she or can she not be registered as a paint?
            We're spending our money on horses and bourbon. The rest we're just wasting.
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              #7
              Originally posted by DLee View Post

              I keep reading different things and am confused, I have a JC registered TB with high whites and a white belly, can she or can she not be registered as a paint?
              There is APHA, paint association and APtH or something like that, pinto association.

              APHA has strict rules, pinto accepts more horses, that may be why the confusion?

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                #8
                Call and ask APHA.
                When opportunity knocks it's wearing overalls and looks like work.

                The horse world. Two people. Three opinions.

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                  #9
                  Originally posted by DLee View Post

                  I keep reading different things and am confused, I have a JC registered TB with high whites and a white belly, can she or can she not be registered as a paint?
                  For some reason I can’t add the link, but search the APHA site for “cropout”. There’s a page on how to register AQHA and JC horses with qualifying color as APHA. What isn’t 100% clear to me is if the Stallion Breeding report can be filed retroactively or if the stallion needs to have been on file at the time of the breeding.

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                    #10
                    APHA - You can register "crop out" AQHA and JC horses. They must have a specific color marking - 2'' of white with some underlying pink skin within the designated zone. https://apha.com/news/registering-cr...ier-than-ever/

                    You can typically file stallion breeding reports retroactively, though there is an associated fee. There may also be additional hoops, such as DNA, since APHA *is* a breed registry.

                    PtHA (Pinto Horse Association) is a color registry. If you meet their requirements, you can register almost anything. Hell, they've opened it up to donkeys and mules and solid horses.

                    There is a trend for double registered horses right now, but it's specific lines of horses that qualify. It's almost always a descendant of an overo cropout AQHA who applied for, and received, APHA papers. It's never the other way around. Tobiano horses of any kind are ineligible for AQHA papers. Anything that doesn't have AQHA/AQHA or AQHA/JC parents will not be able to get AQHA papers.
                    Veni vidi vici. With a paint pony, nonetheless.

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                      #11
                      If horse is 3/years old or more, it can be awful expensive to register even with all proper documentation. Best check before you start that process or buy the horse assuming it will be cheap and easy to get him in, it will be neither.
                      When opportunity knocks it's wearing overalls and looks like work.

                      The horse world. Two people. Three opinions.

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                        Originally posted by Aprilfool View Post
                        I'm leasing a registered breeding stock paint gelding that I'm considering buying when the lease is up this spring. The owner says he can be registered as a quarter horse, but I can't find anything on the AQHA website about registering paints. I like the horse a lot and not being able to register him as a QH won't be a deal breaker, but it would be huge bonus if he could be double registered. Anyone know if it can be done?
                        Is there a tobiano any where in his pedigree? If so, he cannot be registered AQHA.
                        Only two emotions belong in the saddle: One is a sense of humor. The other is patience.

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                          Originally posted by findeight View Post
                          If horse is 3/years old or more, it can be awful expensive to register even with all proper documentation. Best check before you start that process or buy the horse assuming it will be cheap and easy to get him in, it will be neither.
                          This is very true, I purchased a horse that had all of the paperwork but was never registered. It would have cost me $1,000 just to register him. He was a gelding so I never bothered.
                          I don't always feel up to arguing with your ignorance

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