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    Last edited by goodnhotkrymsun; Jul. 17, 2019, 08:42 PM.

  • #2
    Do people charge for leases on unfinished Western horses?

    I understand from COTH that in h/j land, a really expensive excellent show horse can go on an annual for 1/3 of his sales price per year, leaser to assume all the care and training costs and to have horse in an owner-approved training program. This is very useful for juniors who can get say a $100,000 horse for $30,000 to meet some competition goals in the coming year, go up a level or get into some of the high stakes youth equitation finals. In that case, people are paying a lot to get a measurable goal. A kid might be a great rider, and just need a horse that is scopey at 3 foot 6 rather than 3 foot 3.

    It is very unusual for a dressage horse to get leased out like this, in large part because it isn't as simple for s rider to just go up a level in their riding because they get a better trained horse.

    I do not know how it works at the upper levels of western riding, whether you can pay big money to lease a high dollar WP or cutting horse to compete on for a year.

    However, the horse you are describing, with all her wonderful qualities, is not (yet) a high level show horse. No one who wants to win big right now is going to choose this horse to lease, because she has some holes still in her WP training.

    Around here, nice recreational horses, or horses that might be able to do lower level competition (2 foot 6 jumpers, training level dressage) get leased basically for expenses. Take your monthly total expenses, board plus pro-rate your farrier costs, plus factor in your vet or medical maintenance costs, and maybe pad things a bit maybe 10 % to make sure you've covered basics. So in my world, if saying your total monthly expenses are something like $550, your horse would go on half lease at $250 or $300, and on full lease at $550 or $600.

    In other words, there is very little profit to be made from leasing out a sweet horse that is good on the trails but is not going to be taking home lots of ribbons in competition.

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    • #3
      In my area this type of horse would not have any type of lease fee other than appropriate (full or half) share or board and most likely farrier. Routine vet could be negotiated...have seen included in the split or not depending on the circumstances. But there would be no “lease” fee on top of actual expenses.
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      • #4
        I agree with the other posters. A very very nice finished western performance horse could fetch approximately 1/3 of its purchase price for a years lease and leased assumes all boarding and training costs.
        An unfinished horse would most likely be leased for no fee if the owner felt the leaser would perhaps keep it in training thus the owner getting some benefit.
        We have leased finished show horses to customers and just required they keep the horse in at least half time training with us and pay all expenses at home and at the show. Just like they would if they owned a horse.

        For the the most part I think leasing is more about giving a horse that doesn’t have a job, a purpose, perhaps alleviating the cost of board and expenses on an owner for a year (but not without risk of a lease going sour) or perhaps matching the horse with someone who fits it better.

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        • #5
          So why take down a question?

          So annoying
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          • #6
            OP, we don't take down the question once we get an answer on a COTH thread. We leave the question up because a lot of other people have contributed to answering the question, and the thread then becomes a piece of reference material for future readers who have the same question. It feels very rude to take down an innocuous question like this, and basically make everyone's comments pointless.

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            • #7
              Yes, this didn’t need to go. Remember good topics are helpful to many others who will read a thread and possibly use the information presented.

              Speaking of which, don’t think AQHA allows leased horses in Ammy classes? Not sure about the Youth. Most folks don’t want to show in the regular Junior and Senior horse classes against the big time Pros. Maybe somebody could check on that, don’t want to lead somebody trying to show on a budget down the wrong trail here. Leasing is no where near as common in Western as it is in H/J.

              Perhaps that’s changed but no longer a member to check on it. No idea what NCHA and NRHA do. Worth checking on that before assuming.
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              • #8
                Originally posted by findeight View Post
                Yes, this didn’t need to go. Remember good topics are helpful to many others who will read a thread and possibly use the information presented.

                Speaking of which, don’t think AQHA allows leased horses in Ammy classes? Not sure about the Youth. Most folks don’t want to show in the regular Junior and Senior horse classes against the big time Pros. Maybe somebody could check on that, don’t want to lead somebody trying to show on a budget down the wrong trail here. Leasing is no where near as common in Western as it is in H/J.

                Perhaps that’s changed but no longer a member to check on it. No idea what NCHA and NRHA do. Worth checking on that before assuming.
                AQHA and NRHA allowed leased horses in competition for Youth and Amateur (non pro) classes - with the proper paperwork in the office. NCHA and NRCHA do not allow leases.
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                • #9
                  Thanks bugs.
                  When opportunity knocks it's wearing overalls and looks like work.

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                  • #10
                    NRHA allows leases to Non Pros and Yourh for category 1 ancillary classes only. Non pros and youth must own their own horses if showing in category 2 and 6 aged events. Lease goes on file with nrha. You pay $100 for the year.

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by TheHunterKid90 View Post
                      NRHA allows leases to Non Pros and Yourh for category 1 ancillary classes only. Non pros and youth must own their own horses if showing in category 2 and 6 aged events. Lease goes on file with nrha. You pay $100 for the year.
                      They allow leases for all categories except 2 & 6. You can't limit to just Cat 1, or else they can't show in Youth (Cat 3), Rookie (Cat 5), ARC and NAAC classes (Cat 7). I was involved with writing the lease rule for NRHA.
                      Last edited by bugsynskeeter; Jul. 19, 2019, 04:20 PM. Reason: adding categories
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