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  • WTP bit review

    I am thinking of purchasing a Winning Tongue Plate Western bit--with or without extender? I have a 10 year old mare--mostly trail ridden--that has gotten in the habit last summer of putting tongue over bit--(currently a "tom thumb" type--with curved short shank). Sometimes, when noticed, I will stop and adjust the bit. Sometimes, she corrects herself and gets tongue back under bit. She is very responsive, but I don't think having the tongue over the bit is a habit to get into.

    I would like feedback/reviews of the WTP bit before I invest?

    THank you!!

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    Originally posted by hoclaunch View Post
    I am thinking of purchasing a Winning Tongue Plate Western bit--with or without extender? I have a 10 year old mare--mostly trail ridden--that has gotten in the habit last summer of putting tongue over bit--(currently a "tom thumb" type--with curved short shank). Sometimes, when noticed, I will stop and adjust the bit. Sometimes, she corrects herself and gets tongue back under bit. She is very responsive, but I don't think having the tongue over the bit is a habit to get into.

    I would like feedback/reviews of the WTP bit before I invest?

    THank you!!
    Had to look that up, guess is this bit?

    https://www.jacksmfg.com/WTP-Winning...late,5011.html

    Helps if there is a picture or link.

    No idea, will be interesting what others that may know have to say.

    Is that also a problem with other bits, other riders?

    Defiinitely is a bad idea to try to guide a horse with a bit under it's tongue.
    We used to first try to see when the horse does that and what exactly it does when it starts getting fussy.
    Maybe it was a training problem, especially with young horses.
    Yours is older, that may be other, a bad tooth possible?

    We would try a regular snaffle a hole higher or lower, try different standard mouthpieces, see where a horse may be more comfortable without trying to be fussy about the bit.

    Need to try to remedy that. Good luck.

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    • #3
      We used to just use a bit with a port for those that slipped their tongue over. No need to buy something fancy and new here.
      When opportunity knocks it's wearing overalls and looks like work.

      The horse world. Two people. Three opinions.

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      • #4
        If you're using a Tom Thumb bit or similar she may be putting her tongue over because she's trying to keep it from being pinched. That type of bit is prone to collapsing around the jaw and it's likely squeezing her tongue. And the one you are asking about is a gag so I'm not sure what effect that is going to have on the tongue plate when engaged. Simple is usually better. I agree with Findeight.


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        • #5
          I agree with try changing bits/mouthpieces.
          Most likely pulling the tongue back to avoid pressure on the tongue and putting it on the bars.

          I'd try a mullen. I have a colt bit with a mullen mouthpiece that works good for this. Even on colts with very few rides that want to put their tongue over the snaffle I can hang this on them(first picture attached below). Pretty much leave the reins alone and let them figure it out. A horse that might be a little worried about a bit this a good one too.
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          Cow horse trick, welding a chain link over the top of the dog bone on a 3 piece snaffle. 2nd picture below(not mine, screenshot from a video)
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          • #6
            Some bits, particularly those with a jointed mouthpiece, whether snaffle or broken mouth curb, look nice and soft to us. Horses can absolutely not find them nice or soft and hate them.

            The nutcracker action can pinch the corners of the mouth, poke the roof and some horses don’t like the jointed parts moving separately, it unsettles them. Ones that are fidgety anyway can really get going with them.

            IME, horses get their tongues over bits by nervously playing with bouncing the moving parts around with their tongues or trying to spit the bit out. Once they realize doing so “ changes the subject” with the rider, they can use it as an evasion. You absolutely can’t ride one withthetkngue over the bit because A) it hurts and B) you have no control and if they panic, you up the creek.

            You can tie the tongue, it’s a PITA, or figure out WHY the horse is doing it and fix that. Maybe just adjusting the headstall tighter, maybe the bit is too wide or narrow, maybe a different bit.

            Try adjusting the headstall and some different bits on the horse, borrow them if you need to but don’t spring for a new gimmick bit assuming your horse will find it comfortable and not try to spit it out or fool with it. Even if they can’t get the tongue over, horse may hate it...seems a bit of a mouthful from the picture.

            Most of my personal horses have been deemed “ hot” by others and had far better luck with non jointed mouthpieces and sides. I also prefer a port with most, for sure fussy mouthed horses. It eliminates many issues like bouncing the parts or getting the tongue over it trying to spit it out. They seem more secure without the moving parts.

            Just a thought, be sure you fall back on a little bit theory, like the difference between a broken mouthed curb and a snaffle and that a jointed or non jointed mouthpiece and side can be found in both. And both can be equally harsh if it’s the wrong bit or it’s too wide or narrow or the headstall is not appropriately adjusted, especially if it’s too big.

            Think about it.
            When opportunity knocks it's wearing overalls and looks like work.

            The horse world. Two people. Three opinions.

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            • #7
              Interesting. I have never heard of this "bit".

              Curious, have you tried any other bits? Does she do it with them too?
              Does she still do it if you tighten the headstall a hole?
              It is not enough to know how to ride; one must know how to fall.

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                #8
                Thank you to all for your input. I'm in Montana and probably won't be riding until April some time. I haven't tried other bits, just the tom thumb--so I will probably borrow a curb with port to begin. My mare is very light with neck reining, so I'm thinking that might be good for her.

                A lot of great ideas to think about in these replies. Again....thank you!

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