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  • How worried should I be? Update.

    Confirmed 16d in foal Friday. Showing estrus on Sunday

    Is it possible she's lost the embryo and is in heat? Should I get the vet out tomorrow to u/s (because I can't afford to lose a cycle at this time of year)?
    Last edited by Molly Malone; Jul. 12, 2010, 01:34 PM. Reason: update
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    I'll bet

    she was never in foal, that was just a cyst that was mistaken for an embryo. Sorry, but I'm afraid you will need to rebreed. I would recheck but put the stallion owner on notice just in case.

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      well cr@p


      this has to be the worst breeding season ever.
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      • #4
        Definitely get her u/s. I have my fingers crossed XX for you. Has your vet breed this mare before? The vet I spent breeding season helping out, had charts on all the mares from years past. We knew who had cyst, their location and size. It made the 16 day check much easier. Good luck
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        • #5
          Mares can show estrus and still be in foal. I have a mare who loves to kissy face a gelding over the fence, then rear and posture. She does it so faithfully when she is in foal that I worry if she doesn't do it. I'll keep my fingers crossed for you that she is still in foal.
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          • #6
            It's also possible that she is a double-ovulator. We had a mare confirmed in foal @ 18 days, but she also had a follicle that was going to be ready in 4-5 days.

            This mare had twins last year although she was checked in foal with a single at day 18. She lives with our stallion so she obviously did the same thing and was bred during the second ovulation.

            We seperated her from the stallion this year until she had ovulated and had her ultrasounded again to make sure there was still just one.
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            • #7
              Same thing happened to us with one mare. Confirmed 16 days in foal and then noticed signs of estrus. We put her on a regime of Regumate as per the vet and are keeping our fingers crossed until the 30 day check.
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              • #8
                I would definitely get the vet out to check again, MM.
                Although it is true that some mares will show signs of heat while in foal - I have had one mare in particular who nearly made me go grey every pregnancy by continuing to show signs of heat (while definitely in foal) - I would be concerned that your mare is not actually in foal and that what the vet saw was perhaps a cyst.
                Good luck, keeping my fingers crossed for you.
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                • #9
                  My mare who just foaled showed signs of estrus and was confirmed still in foal. We have a lovely filly now

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                    Vet is coming out at 11am tomorrow.

                    Cysts just don't come out of nowhere though, do they? This is our second breeding/pregnancy check - you'd think it would have been seen on the first one, wouldn't you? (and on other checks, pre-breeding and for uterine fluid etc etc) no? Or am I wishful thinking?
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                    • #11
                      My Puchi Trap mare was confirmed in foal with twins on Monday the 21st of June. One at 2.5 and one at 1.5mm. It was felt the smaller one was on the way out

                      On Friday 25th, my stallion is going nuts when she comes close, she is squatting and peeing and both young colts have their noses buried up her rear end and have mini erections. The vet came out and the 2.5 has now receded to a 1.5 and the 1.5 has receded to a .5. And she has 2 follicles coming up - a 25mm and a 30mm. Great ...

                      Saturday and Sunday my stallion wasnt interested in her and neither were the 2 colts.

                      On Monday had the vet up again and everything was the same. The embryo's hadnt grown or receded and neither had the follicles. It was decided to give her a shot of Lute and look at breeding her on about the 3rd of July

                      I hot shotted her again on Thursday 8th and will probably be breeding her today as she is teasing in very strongly

                      SO yes - been there, done that, have the T Shirt. It stinks when they were in foal once upon a time and now you are playing look-at-the-calendar-and-what-is-the-last-drop-dead-date-for-breeding ...

                      Good luck with your girl. Fingers crossed she was just fooling you
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                      • #12
                        I have one mare that shows heats for several months into her pregnancy. She does everything else textbook.
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                        • #13
                          About 10 to 15% of mares will display estrus despite being pregnant. And, with those that do, there is a SLIGHTLY higher incidence of the foal being a filly. No correlation between mares that act studdish and producing a colt however. I would still have her checked, but don't despair quite yet <smile>.
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                            Originally posted by Equine Reproduction View Post
                            About 10 to 15% of mares will display estrus despite being pregnant. And, with those that do, there is a SLIGHTLY higher incidence of the foal being a filly. No correlation between mares that act studdish and producing a colt however. I would still have her checked, but don't despair quite yet <smile>.

                            LOL Kathy, the mare that nearly made me go grey by showing signs of heat during her pregnancies also would also act studdish with the other mares, even mounting one on occasion - later in the pregnancy.
                            She was also the one who hated her foals, but her first foal went on to be an Advanced event horse, AND a winning Grand Prix jumper, and her second is now a winning event horse.

                            She was always determined to make me cry.



                            As ER said, MM, stay optimistic until you know for sure! keeping our fingers crossed for you.
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                              No foal.

                              No cyst either. So it must have been fluid.

                              Why the raging heat though? There's a CL and a 24mm follicle and lots of tiny ones on the other side, but nothing remotely breedable.

                              Getting a second opinion this afternoon from the vet that should have been doing the breeding work, but got kicked and couldn't do it.

                              I feel quite sick. A whole breeding season, countless thousands (well I can count them, but that makes me feel even worse) of dollars. I have one more check on friday and I will give this mare one more try.
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                              • #16
                                Oh shoot ... I am SO sorry ... we can all commiserate with you in your misery - believe me

                                When this breeding business doesnt go well, it can go south in a hurry cant it, and take all of your $$$ along with it

                                Hope you get some better news and some answers as well ...
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                                • #17
                                  Originally posted by Molly Malone View Post
                                  No foal.

                                  No cyst either. So it must have been fluid.

                                  Why the raging heat though? There's a CL and a 24mm follicle and lots of tiny ones on the other side, but nothing remotely breedable.
                                  She could very well have been in foal. Mother Nature's way of dealing with a problem is to short cycle the mare and bring her back into estrus. But, I feel your pain. Just dealt with one of my own mares that confirmed in foal at 12 days and when we rechecked at 16 had lost the pregnancy and was FULL of fluid <sigh>..and yeah...back in season. Flushed her today and filtered the flush medium to pull out the conceptus to show the intern that's working for us. Fascinating, but disappointing. So, we are trying again. Since we've managed to get everyone else's mares in foal, NOW I can focus on my own <rolling eyes>.

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