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  • comments on TB Pedigree, please

    I have my own opinion, but I'd like to see what you other TB lovers think.

    She's just started a racing career at age 4, I believe. Is a Washington State bred in New York now. I have no idea what she looks like or how big she is. This is just asking for thoughts on her paper.
    "I'm a lumberjack, and I'm okay."
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  • #2
    Holy Moly

    Well if this is a test I find it to be every bit as good as you think. It is not often my notes go to two pages and Raise a Native would be considered the weakest point of the pedigree...often it is the only good point in a potential sport pedigree...at times two or three with inbreeding.

    To start at the top
    Full Pocket with Olden Times and his double Rock Sand and Fairy Gold...this mares pedigree is loaded with doubles of good good stuff.
    Djenne with her Double Tourbillon. Loaded with Bayardo, Teddy, Bay Ronald as is the whole pedigree.
    Then I have a soft spot for Summer Tan and Sickle though it may be a pesonal weakness without any proof.
    Forli with Foxglove
    Tudor Melody with Gainsborough and Sun-In-Law and more Dark Ronald.
    Matelda Pharis x2, Darl Ronald, and Bay Ronald
    A sprinkling of Roi Herode
    Damascus with Teddy, My Babu(Tourbillon), and Blue Larkspur
    Aesthetic Mamoud, Sir Gallahad, Phalaris, Blue Larkspur.
    PAGE 2
    Raise a Champion with Raise a Native, Case Ace and American Flag.
    Then Ack Ack. Turn-To, Princquillo and The interesting horse The Shoe With Khaled and Iron Reward. I love Iron Reward with Beau Pere(Son-In-Law) and War Admiral, Teddy.
    Then some Nasrullah and Bulldog(Teddy).
    Another personal favorite with more reason...Grey Dawn. Herbager(Son-In-Law), Mahmoud, Case Ace, Blue Larkspur.
    And finally what a dam line for Sport! La Buterne to Lady Juror. She has Precipitation(HurryOn) Abernant Foxhunter, Hasty Road, Solario, Blue Peter.

    Even if she is a shrimp she should be a pony mom. PatO


    • Original Poster

      Thanks, Columbus, for your analysis. It validates what I thought.

      Since she's just starting racing and could well be a flop, it would nice if there were a soft landing for her later.
      "I'm a lumberjack, and I'm okay."
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      • #4
        While I'm no TB pedigree expert, I LOVE anything with Herbager, especially through Grey Dawn. Seems they are all gorgeous movers.

        PS. Does anyone know the correct pronunciation of Herbager?


        • Original Poster

          Herbager ought to be Errbaajay
          "I'm a lumberjack, and I'm okay."
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          • #6
            This filly and a fulll sister to this filly, both no-sale'd for €5k at the Tattersall's Derby sale last week.

            T'isn't often you'd be seeing Menelek in a pedigree anymore, not a full TB anyway.


            • #7
              I loved that Lavarico on paper! There was a filly at the Derby sale out of a half sister to Moon Fleet who didn't sell at 6500 by Heron Island I believe.

              I did not go as Mr. Equilibrium is on his last week of vacation before going back to Saudi and the last thing he wanted to do was hang out with horses all day! I've had a hard enough time getting him to take care of the ones he owns!

              The August NH sale is a treasure trove of fun pedigrees and the prices are much nicer than the Derby Sale obvioulsy.

              COTH, keeping popcorn growers in business for years.

              "I need your grace to remind me to find my own." Snow Patrol-Chasing Cars. This line reminds me why I have horses.


              • #8
                1st gen/sire and dam: eh. nothing of note.
                2nd gen/ Full Pocket is very nice to see up close.
                3rd gen/Raise a Native and Grey Dawn are super jump lines (Full Pocket lines already accounted for above)
                4th gen/in additon to the above lines are Forli, Damascus, and Ack Ack.
                all in all some nice old family in the first 4 generations. While there are lots of goodies farhter back I presonally need to see upfront/recent talent (first 4 gens) when I look at a pedigree. I am not so interested in 5+ gens back.
                Providence Farm


                • #9
                  Originally posted by Equilibrium View Post
                  I loved that Lavarico on paper! There was a filly at the Derby sale out of a half sister to Moon Fleet who didn't sell at 6500 by Heron Island I believe.
                  Can't believe I missed that one, very nice indeed...


                  • #10
                    I wish I'd gone to see her but I just expected her to make decent money at the Derby Sale.


                    I had a big reponse typed with my research but the computer ate it! But then I thought why in the world would you need our help!!!! But I did rather like her pedigree and love the Grey Dawn II. I know there were other highlights but I can't remember now. Good luck in tracking her.

                    COTH, keeping popcorn growers in business for years.

                    "I need your grace to remind me to find my own." Snow Patrol-Chasing Cars. This line reminds me why I have horses.


                    • #11
                      I would add she is out of the 9-C* dam line which is supposed to be very prepotent for sport horses...
                      Hickstead 1996-2011 Godspeed
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                      • #12
                        What trainer is she with? If they show up in Saratoga, I can take a peek at her, see what she looks like. Maybe take her for myself, if she's that nice.
                        Different Times Equestrian Ventures at Hidden Spring Ranch


                        • #13
                          I think she has a very attractive pedigree, and is a good one for us to keep an eye on.
                          Timex, if you see her, let us know!
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