• Welcome to the Chronicle Forums.
    Please complete your profile. The forums and the rest of www.chronofhorse.com has single sign-in, so your log in information for one will automatically work for the other. Disclaimer: The opinions expressed here are the views of the individual and do not necessarily reflect the views and opinions of The Chronicle of the Horse.

Announcement

Collapse

Forum rules and no-advertising policy

As a participant on this forum, it is your responsibility to know and follow our rules. Please read this message in its entirety.

Board Rules

1. You’re responsible for what you say.
As outlined in Section 230 of the Communications Decency Act, The Chronicle of the Horse and its affiliates, as well Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd., the developers of vBulletin, are not legally responsible for statements made in the forums.

This is a public forum viewed by a wide spectrum of people, so please be mindful of what you say and who might be reading it—details of personal disputes are likely better handled privately. While posters are legally responsible for their statements, the moderators may in their discretion remove or edit posts that violate these rules. Users have the ability to modify or delete their own messages after posting, but administrators generally will not delete posts, threads or accounts upon request.

Outright inflammatory, vulgar, harassing, malicious or otherwise inappropriate statements and criminal charges unsubstantiated by a reputable news source or legal documentation will not be tolerated and will be dealt with at the discretion of the moderators.

2. Conversations in horse-related forums should be horse-related.
The forums are a wonderful source of information and support for members of the horse community. While it’s understandably tempting to share information or search for input on other topics upon which members might have a similar level of knowledge, members must maintain the focus on horses.

3. Keep conversations productive, on topic and civil.
Discussion and disagreement are inevitable and encouraged; personal insults, diatribes and sniping comments are unproductive and unacceptable. Whether a subject is light-hearted or serious, keep posts focused on the current topic and of general interest to other participants of that thread. Utilize the private message feature or personal email where appropriate to address side topics or personal issues not related to the topic at large.

4. No advertising in the discussion forums.
Posts in the discussion forums directly or indirectly advertising horses, jobs, items or services for sale or wanted will be removed at the discretion of the moderators. Use of the private messaging feature or email addresses obtained through users’ profiles for unsolicited advertising is not permitted.

Company representatives may participate in discussions and answer questions about their products or services, or suggest their products on recent threads if they fulfill the criteria of a query. False "testimonials" provided by company affiliates posing as general consumers are not appropriate, and self-promotion of sales, ad campaigns, etc. through the discussion forums is not allowed.

Paid advertising is available on our classifieds site and through the purchase of banner ads. The tightly monitored Giveaways forum permits free listings of genuinely free horses and items available or wanted (on a limited basis). Items offered for trade are not allowed.

Advertising Policy Specifics
When in doubt of whether something you want to post constitutes advertising, please contact a moderator privately in advance for further clarification. Refer to the following points for general guidelines:

Horses – Only general discussion about the buying, leasing, selling and pricing of horses is permitted. If the post contains, or links to, the type of specific information typically found in a sales or wanted ad, and it’s related to a horse for sale, regardless of who’s selling it, it doesn’t belong in the discussion forums.

Stallions – Board members may ask for suggestions on breeding stallion recommendations. Stallion owners may reply to such queries by suggesting their own stallions, only if their horse fits the specific criteria of the original poster. Excessive promotion of a stallion by its owner or related parties is not permitted and will be addressed at the discretion of the moderators.

Services – Members may use the forums to ask for general recommendations of trainers, barns, shippers, farriers, etc., and other members may answer those requests by suggesting themselves or their company, if their services fulfill the specific criteria of the original post. Members may not solicit other members for business if it is not in response to a direct, genuine query.

Products – While members may ask for general opinions and suggestions on equipment, trailers, trucks, etc., they may not list the specific attributes for which they are in the market, as such posts serve as wanted ads.

Event Announcements – Members may post one notification of an upcoming event that may be of interest to fellow members, if the original poster does not benefit financially from the event. Such threads may not be “bumped” excessively. Premium members may post their own notices in the Event Announcements forum.

Charities/Rescues – Announcements for charitable or fundraising events can only be made for 501(c)(3) tax-exempt organizations. Special exceptions may be made, at the moderators’ discretion and direction, for board-related events or fundraising activities in extraordinary circumstances.

Occasional posts regarding horses available for adoption through IRS-registered horse rescue or placement programs are permitted in the appropriate forums, but these threads may be limited at the discretion of the moderators. Individuals may not advertise or make announcements for horses in need of rescue, placement or adoption unless the horse is available through a recognized rescue or placement agency or government-run entity or the thread fits the criteria for and is located in the Giveaways forum.

5. Do not post copyrighted photographs unless you have purchased that photo and have permission to do so.

6. Respect other members.
As members are often passionate about their beliefs and intentions can easily be misinterpreted in this type of environment, try to explore or resolve the inevitable disagreements that arise in the course of threads calmly and rationally.

If you see a post that you feel violates the rules of the board, please click the “alert” button (exclamation point inside of a triangle) in the bottom left corner of the post, which will alert ONLY the moderators to the post in question. They will then take whatever action, or no action, as deemed appropriate for the situation at their discretion. Do not air grievances regarding other posters or the moderators in the discussion forums.

Please be advised that adding another user to your “Ignore” list via your User Control Panel can be a useful tactic, which blocks posts and private messages by members whose commentary you’d rather avoid reading.

7. We have the right to reproduce statements made in the forums.
The Chronicle of the Horse may copy, quote, link to or otherwise reproduce posts, or portions of posts, in print or online for advertising or editorial purposes, if attributed to their original authors, and by posting in this forum, you hereby grant to The Chronicle of the Horse a perpetual, non-exclusive license under copyright and other rights, to do so.

8. We reserve the right to enforce and amend the rules.
The moderators may delete, edit, move or close any post or thread at any time, or refrain from doing any of the foregoing, in their discretion, and may suspend or revoke a user’s membership privileges at any time to maintain adherence to the rules and the general spirit of the forum. These rules may be amended at any time to address the current needs of the board.

Please see our full Terms of Service and Privacy Policy for more information.

Thanks for being a part of the COTH forums!

(Revised 1/26/16)
See more
See less

Confo and breeding critique of this Indoctro colt/stallion...Update with video

Collapse
X
  • Filter
  • Time
  • Show
Clear All
new posts

  • Confo and breeding critique of this Indoctro colt/stallion...Update with video

    I recently inquired about Indoctro offspring becasue I had found a 2y 3mo old stallion out of a Landgold Jmen (Landadel) mare at an extraordinary low price (couple is divorcing and dividing assets...). So I jumped at the opportunity and bought him allthough I wasn't planning on another horse.

    His Breeding is posted on the link below:
    http://www.allbreedpedigree.com/inde...mall_font=1&l=

    This is his confo shot:
    http://pets.webshots.com/photo/21531...49866518GIeuKy

    I'm figuring out how to upload a jump or two on YouTube (I have to make the file smaller). I will try to add that later, but even though he seems heavy, he's pretty light on his feet... that was what surprised me most (I had expected a heavy, slow warmblood because of his build).
    He has the temperament of a puppydog and was pretty relaxed in the jumpchute even though it was his first time.

    His x-rays are perfectly clean.

    Any critiques?

    Thanks,
    V
    Last edited by faraway46; May. 24, 2010, 02:00 PM.
    Over what hill? Where? When? I don\'t remember any hill....

    www.freewebs.com/caballerizadelviso
  • Original Poster

    #2
    Video of Intrepid (colt/stallion) by Indoctro

    I figured out how to upload the video on Youtube.
    This was his first time in the jumping chute, which actually wasn't a chute but a whole bunch of us running around, trying to get him down a jump. I think it went pretty well considering he never did it before (the previous owners have not built one yet at their farm). He seemed very willing and trying to do what we asked.


    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D56rtD54czM

    Any opinions?
    V
    Over what hill? Where? When? I don\'t remember any hill....

    www.freewebs.com/caballerizadelviso

    Comment


    • #3
      Originally posted by faraway46 View Post
      This was his first time in the jumping chute, which actually wasn't a chute but a whole bunch of us running around, trying to get him down a jump. I think it went pretty well considering he never did it before (the previous owners have not built one yet at their farm). He seemed very willing and trying to do what we asked.


      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D56rtD54czM

      Any opinions?
      V
      I agree with you. I think he's cute and looks like he will be a fun horse to own. Maybe a little short in the neck and could have a cleaner throatlatch (or it could be the shadow) if I had to fault something. He also looks like he's in the middle of a growth phase in the picture, but I like him. Plus his personality sounds great and you can never beat "super cheap!"

      What are your plans for him?
      DIY Journey of Remodeling the Farmette: http://weownblackacre.blogspot.com/

      Comment

      • Original Poster

        #4
        Thanks TrotTP!
        I have no plans for him since I didn't plan to buy him in the first place, but he was $5000 (considering that breeding to Indoctro in Argentina costs $3000, he was a steal).
        I guess I want to see him further in the chute. You can't tell very much from the first jumps and he still is in the growing phase. I think I'm going to try to keep him until it's time to back him and then see what he has grown into. Maybe I found a diamond in the rough? Hopefully!
        All I can see for now is that he has a great disposition and a tendency to have correct form over jumps, plus he moves pretty light considering his build. Let's cross our fingers and maybe for once I found the Rembrandt in grandma's attic!
        Over what hill? Where? When? I don\'t remember any hill....

        www.freewebs.com/caballerizadelviso

        Comment


        • #5
          I think he is very cute and agree he is in an odd growing stage. I like the way he uses his frontend naturally. He stalls out over the jumps but that will change with work
          Draumr Hesta Farm
          "Wenn Du denkst es geht nicht mehr, kommt von irgendwo ein kleines Licht daher"
          Member of the COTH Ignorant Disrepectful F-bombs!*- 2Dogs Farm

          Comment


          • #6
            I love him 100x more in the video than I did in the picture--didn't do him justice. He looks short in the back and his shoulder and neck attachment look a little ehh in the photo but that does not translate in the video at all. He has an easy way of going and seems put together well, appears to be an amiable and athletic guy and I like the way he uses himself over those jumps. Good find!!

            Comment


            • #7
              I agree, the video made him look much better than the picture.

              Dan
              www.dmwarmbloods.com
              http://www.facebook.com/pages/DM-War...3105523?ref=hl

              Comment


              • #8
                Pass.... should be gelded
                Aefvue Farm Ft.Lauderdale

                Comment


                • #9
                  Originally posted by Andrew View Post
                  Pass.... should be gelded
                  I agree. Not a stallion type but looks like he will make a nice sporthorse.

                  Comment

                  • Original Poster

                    #10
                    Why?

                    Originally posted by Andrew View Post
                    Pass.... should be gelded
                    I'm not a breeder nor do I know much on bloodlines so, as a learnning experience, I'd love to know your opinion.
                    Thanks,
                    V
                    Over what hill? Where? When? I don\'t remember any hill....

                    www.freewebs.com/caballerizadelviso

                    Comment


                    • #11
                      If he were mine, I would probably wait to geld him just because he looks so light in his neck and that he could probably benefit from the testosterone to build muscle. That is if you can tolerate him with his nuts.

                      He's quite funky looking now, very awkward but he looks like he's got a ton of growing to do. For some reason I have a hard time imagining what he will look like as an adult, usually by 2 it's pretty easy to see the mature horse they'll grow up to be, but this one leaves me guessing.

                      He looks like he'll be a fun one to jump but I too don't see a stallion prospect here.
                      Stoneybrook Farm Afton TN

                      Comment


                      • #12
                        It's a terrible shot and age to be accurately judging any horse's conformation.
                        ______________________________
                        The CoTH CYA - please consult w/your veterinarian under any and all circumstances. - ET

                        Comment


                        • #13
                          Good movement and good instincts over the fences. He has all the right pieces, even if they don't quite match right now! I'd not be surprised if he really blossomed and grew into himself his 3/4 yo years.

                          Comment


                          • #14
                            I think it is a little early to conclude that he is not "Stallion Material". I love his trot and canter. His jumping abilities are not impressive on the video but it may very well be only because the hight of the fence do not create a challenge for him yet. However, I would wait another year before jumping him higher.

                            I find it hard to juge his conformation from the pictures or the video but his front pasterns seem a little straight to me. His hind legs also seems a little straight from the stifle down. As mentionned before though, it is clear that he is not mature yet and I would be curious to see him in a year from now.

                            As for his bloodlines, Indoctros offsprings are often average looking. I've also noticed that they are sometimes late bloomer and far from mature at 2 yo (from the couple I have seen). As for the dam line, it seems to be bloodlines that were developed in argentina for a long time and not much information are available on the internet. However, Grand Veneur is a foundation sire of the Selle Français who have been one of the most influenacial stallion in modern sport horse breeding.

                            A lot must be taken into account when the decision is made to keep a male as a stallion. An average or even only good horse should be gelded. A stallion must be able to improve the mare band of the region where he stands. You must also be sure you have the ressources to promote his career and offer him as a sire efficiently and safely. Otherwise, a stallion in a barn is just a useless liability risk. In case of doubt, I believe guelding is the answer.

                            Comment

                            • Original Poster

                              #15
                              Thanks for the input!

                              The general concensus seems to be to wait to geld...His temperament is very sweet (not stalliony at all), so it doesn't bother me to let him grow and see what he becomes. His body is mismatched for now and gawky, but I also agree he needs to mature, so no harm waiting for that to happen. It's a good thing to know Indoctros are late bloomers.
                              I like how he moves and seems pretty light. As someone else posted, his instinct over jumps seem pretty good for zero training in the chute. We have to remember that all those amazing auction horses have MANY spins in the chute before they are seen by the buying crowd.
                              Bottom line, for what I paid for him, there's enough budget to wait till he shows a little more...
                              Any more opinions would be appreciated!
                              Thanks!
                              V
                              Over what hill? Where? When? I don\'t remember any hill....

                              www.freewebs.com/caballerizadelviso

                              Comment


                              • #16
                                1. I just want to see how he developes. Make sure you keep us updated!

                                2. Why don't I ever find deals like this!!! LOL.
                                DIY Journey of Remodeling the Farmette: http://weownblackacre.blogspot.com/

                                Comment


                                • #17
                                  Originally posted by irkenequine View Post
                                  I love him 100x more in the video than I did in the picture--didn't do him justice. He looks short in the back and his shoulder and neck attachment look a little ehh in the photo but that does not translate in the video at all. He has an easy way of going and seems put together well, appears to be an amiable and athletic guy and I like the way he uses himself over those jumps. Good find!!

                                  I thought the same thing.....did not like him in the picture but the video changed that.

                                  Dalemma

                                  Comment


                                  • #18
                                    Originally posted by JB View Post
                                    It's a terrible shot and age to be accurately judging any horse's conformation.
                                    I agree, he kinda looks like one of my mares at 1yo, he could change a lot, good luck with him.

                                    Comment

                                    • Original Poster

                                      #19
                                      What hurt me/learned most about this post...

                                      ...is that I'm a crummy photographer!!! BooooHoooo! BUaaaah!
                                      I love photography and my husband and I usually organize our trips according to what photos we can take (the Amazons, MachuPichu, northern Argentina, San Pedro of Atacama in Chile, etc).
                                      I guess I'll have to take a conformation shot course in the near future! Anyways, in my favor, the poor lad was unpreped. Just give me some clippers, a brush, hoof ointment, yarn for braids and a REAL PHOTOGRAPHER and you'll see what a handsome chap this teenager can be! hehehe

                                      PS: Intrepid thanks you all for protecting his "manhood" and let him prove what he's worth in the future. He says he will not let you down!
                                      Over what hill? Where? When? I don\'t remember any hill....

                                      www.freewebs.com/caballerizadelviso

                                      Comment


                                      • #20
                                        There is being able to take a good picture - quality of the layout, lighting, etc - and there is being able to take a good *conformation* picture

                                        We actually had a really good thread quite a while ago about what it takes to get good horse action shots, confo shots, etc, which included how to set up the horse, lighting, where to stand in relation to the horse, standing far away and zooming for the best perspective, and much more. His name escapes me at the moment (someone here will know!!) but a well-known photog on this board started it, I believe. OH! Reg Corkum! I don't remember his name here though. He may be here under his actual name?
                                        ______________________________
                                        The CoTH CYA - please consult w/your veterinarian under any and all circumstances. - ET

                                        Comment

                                        Working...
                                        X