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  • Can a palomino. . .

    be born with PINK skin and when I say pink I do mean pink as in pink everywhere, not just the skin around the eye?
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    I've had a lot of palomino foals, and I've never had one that had pink skin on the *body* -- just around the eyes and kind of on the muzzle, really. And it's more of a *coral* color than true pink.

    If you have one that is pink all over, it sounds like you may have a double dilute. What colors are the parents? (And if they are grey -- the color before they turned grey.)
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    • #3
      Born? Yes - red-based colors are typically born lighter than their adult shade. Even chestnuts are born "pink", very noticable around the eyes and nose.

      The skin darken within a few days of birth.

      if it's not darkening, then he's a double dilute, or champagne. Or, in a less common case, cream+Pearl making him appear DD.
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        #4
        Well, I am trying to make it out from a photo of a filly born at a friend's farm. . .she has sent me photos and if I could figure out how to post them here, I would. Basically what I see is pink skin around the eyes and her, um, well, her. . . .fine, her tail was swishing in one photo and her 'junk' is pink too!! So I was telling her that it looked like she was either a cremello or a perlino, but she swears it is a 'palomino'.
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          What color are mom and pop?
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            Ah yes.... if she is PINK, I mean really pink, like the color of skin under a blaze pink, then she is a double dilute. And yes, you can still see markings a lot of time when they are born -- and they look a bit yellow too. I had one, and spent the first four hours of her life thinking she was palomino -- and in fact she was cremello.

            Further, if one parent was palomino (or some other dilute color) and turned grey, and the foal might be grey, then you often see a much darker coat color on a double dilute/going to grey foal. Again, this is in my experience.
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              #7
              thanks for the comments--mom is a definite dilute. She is a buckskin. Sire was born a smoky black and has since turned grey. The filly appears to have a blaze and her mane and tail appear white with her coat a kind of 'macaroni and cheese' tint.

              Also, if anyone has a foal photo of a palomino foal vs. a perlino/cremello foal I would love to see the difference, especially at the young age ;-)
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                I have attached photos of 4 different palomino foals I have had. I think the oldest one is 14 hours old. I can't seem to find any of the pictures of the cremello filly I had. I think those pictures must have been on my old computer. (Even though the last two pictures look alike, they are different foals.)
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                  Thank you so much ridegoldenpony!

                  Question: the first photo the eyes are darker but the skin (around the eye) is pink. . .the last photo, the eyes are darker and the skin (around the eye) is also dark. Can you tell me if the skin "darkened" or was each foal born with different skin color??
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                  • #10
                    So it is possible for it to be a double dilute, and it is also possible that it could be grey too. It will be interesting to find out!
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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by rideagoldenpony View Post
                      I have attached photos of 4 different palomino foals I have had. I think the oldest one is 14 hours old. I can't seem to find any of the pictures of the cremello filly I had. I think those pictures must have been on my old computer. (Even though the last two pictures look alike, they are different foals.)
                      Oh, that first photo is so lovely! What a moment to capture!

                      And OP, you can put your photos into an online photo album like Photobucket and just link us to them so we can see too. You need to have a premium account here to actually attach photos to your post, but linking to them is free.

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                      • #12
                        Here are some links to my perlino filly - Champagneandpearls - at a day old and then a week old:

                        http://www.angelfire.com/on3/TrueCol...BabyPearl.html

                        and a link to my smoky cream colt - TCF Palladium - at a couple of days old:

                        http://www.angelfire.com/on3/TrueColoursFarm/Mochi.html

                        The filly came out a light mocha colour when she was born and as she lightened up, her hue was much darker than a cremello. I was positive she was either perlino or smoky cream

                        When the colt was born, he was a really really dark chocolate / charcoal colour. I mean - SO dark - you wondered how a double dilute could possibly be THAT dark at birth. I was 99% positive he was in fact a smoky cream and the DNA tests confirmed it

                        What colour are her eyes? If she's double dilute - they cannot be dark - they have to be "light"
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                          TrueColors,

                          Gorgeous photos! Wow

                          I see the 'light' eye and golden coats. . .honestly, she only sent me one, wee little photo and I can't tell the color of the eyes, http://midwestconnemara.ning.com/pho...ums/misc-foals

                          The photo that displays her 'other' pink skin I can't seem to download :-(
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                          • #14
                            As much as one can tell looking at that photo, I'd say palomino for 100% sure

                            The palomino's will have "pink" eyeliner when they are born, but those eyes look dark and the coat colour looks more single dilute than double dilute to me
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                            • #15
                              I vote palomino as well. My mare was a butterfinger palomino with platinum blond mane and tail. Both of her kiddos were butter palominos and looked identical to said pictured foal. Both by same dad too. One matured into a caramel with platinum and the other one stayed butter and platinum. Dad was a plain jane sorrel which is a color I do not particularly like.
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                              • #16
                                Hm.

                                Maybe some pinto at work too? For the genitals to be pink?

                                Eyes look dark in the photo, BUT, inside, and at that angle, we might be seeing all pupil and no iris. Eyes have to be light if DD.

                                I am trying to remember... I want to say a 'trigger' pally in my childhood who had pink genitals & skin... He was most likely a TWx

                                My stallion is sabino, tobi & rabicano... and while he doesn't 'appear' to have white, parts of his genitals are definitely pink. Sooo... with that big ol' blaze... maybe some 'white' genetics at worK?
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                                • #17
                                  I'm not entirely convinced it's not a double dilute - perlino or cremello. I don't think smoky cream at all. I'm not convinced it's not palomino either. Definitely at least a single dilute going on. If the eyes are a typical baby blue, which is more navy than sky, then palomino definitely. But if they are closer to sky than navy, then it's a DD. I just can't say I see the eye color well enough to be confident they are more navy.
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                                    Originally posted by pintopiaffe View Post
                                    I am trying to remember... I want to say a 'trigger' pally in my childhood who had pink genitals & skin... He was most likely a TWx
                                    The TWx was most likely champagne and not pally if he had pink skin and genitals (assuming no DD of course). They can look REMARKABLY like pallys.

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                                    • #19
                                      mmm... He could have been, except definitely no freckles. (We had quite a few champagnes on the Ranch...) His muzzle was definitely pink... BUT--big but, he also had four almost perfect high whites, and a big fat blaze... every kid's dream pretty much--and he was a Police Horse on the 4th of July and for the Block Dance etc.
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                                      • #20
                                        That pink muzzle was probably from his big fat blaze.
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