stallions with Amatuer friendly brains...

[Valentina_32926]

Wolfgang (KWPN)

[J-Lu]

Canaan Ranch's, Donates, has a wonderful brain and rideability for AA's. His do quite well at the breed shows too. http://canaanranch.net/horse%20pages...es%20page.html

Amen, sister!!! I'm an amateur and I've had the priveledge of riding him, walking him, wrapping him, etc. His tagline? "Ma'am, yes ma'am". He's primarily a dressage horse but jumps very well and has produced a couple of very nice hunter prospects, too (i.e. Daschelle on that website).

J.

[florida foxhunter]

Claim to Fame is as sweet as he is gorgeous........He's been raised, mostly trained, shown successfully, ridden daily at home and now even collected by his 50+ amateur owner!! He seems to be passing this wonderful temperaments on to his foals as well...........a THREE year old has been foxhunting with Rappahannockj Hunt in VA........but she ALSO was in the top five of her class at Devon, the IHF, etc.........brains and beauty.....a winning combination.

[gortmore]

Another Vote for Irish Horses

Clover Cliste is producing Amateur Friendly temperament and ability for the pros. He was pulled out of the field and taken to a horse show this year after two years away from showing. I put a pro on him for the first time in his life, she jumped/rode him two times before the show and he went in and jumped double clean for her and did the 4's with her on his second day. The grooms were in love with him and could not believe he was a stallion. To boot he now has a 7 year old son, Clover All Over, from his first foal crop whoe just moved into the Grand Prixes (did a Level 8 class on Saturday night) in the Midwest USA and this same son is heading to Wellington for the 7/8 year old Young Jumper National Finals.

[1derful]

Hi, here is my babysitter hacking one of my stallions on the roadside trails. http://www.1derful.com/hanoverian/wo...rail_horse.jpg
Non-horsey kids wanted a picture:
http://www.1derful.com/hanoverian/wo...kids_horse.jpg

I also found from this forum a link to one of his offspring Wunderland in Scott Hassler Symposium - http://www.photoreflect.com/pr3/Thum...8&g=0AO3000U01 He also competed in the National 4-year-old FEI championship, which required qualifiying scores, ridden by his owner Erika. Before the championship, Erika reported that he got a cut on the knee only few weeks before they championship so she was not sure whether the would go. I followed up with the championship news, and saw they did go, and were 4th out of 12 entires in one of the tests beating BNTs and BNHs. The second test was not so exciting. Oh well, young horses.

All my boys are pretty good for their old ammie owner, moi. :-) They have to be because other than the breeding season, they are boarded at a public training facility with 200 boarders; many are youngsters with their ponies, or ammies who can't control their jumping horses at times. Of course I am not saying they are good for beginners, but experienced amateurs can enjoy them. Take a peek at my website if you're interested in their and their offspring's accomplishments, etc.

Enjoy,

[Glorybee]

Any links for Shine ladies and gents? he's one I haven't heard or seen much about?

I agree that the mare also have a genetic role to play... In reality, there isn't much about my mare that I wouldn't want to reproduce... a little less "mareishness", and a cup of "slow down", oh yeah, and better feet!

[MagicRoseFarm]

Beste Gold, but not many of his oldest offspring's owners come to COTH... and he is only 8 years old now,,, I never had a stallion before, and I never competed at the national level before He is very consistant with passing his temperament and movement to his offspring

He is #3 ranked USEF sire for DSHB and 25th for Hunter breeding sires..

[fish]

Any links for Shine ladies and gents? he's one I haven't heard or seen much about?

I agree that the mare also have a genetic role to play... In reality, there isn't much about my mare that I wouldn't want to reproduce... a little less "mareishness", and a cup of "slow down", oh yeah, and better feet!

I checked the IHF website and found a stallion listed as "Alesi (Shine)" with the following contact info.: Olde Oaks Farm 713-806-7108. I do believe there was also a full page ad for Shine in last year's COTH stallion issue as well.

Edited to add: found the website: http://www.oldeoaksfarm.com/shine.html

[chalkhorse farm]

Ragtime at the last Pebble Beach show after being Champion Regular Working Hunter with Carol Wright, was Champion Amateur Equitation 18-35 3' with Laura Mormann.

[WhatzUp]

YES !

The list of stallions that produce amateur friendly offpsring is only limited by the number of people that respond to this question. Most good stallions are proven performers, and frankly they are generally subjected to highly restricted lives, with more confinement and less freedom , even to express themselves than other horses . It takes tremendous strength of mind for them to remain sane, respectful and well mannered when they rarely have choices. Stallions that have shown, have in some cases shipped hundreds of miles as a trooper on a rig full of other horses, performs like a trooper on someone elses schedule, sometimes breeds mornings or evenings to meet obligations to mares, hangs around endlessly waiting for classes, jump offs, braiding , whatever. They ship to shows where they have different neighbours, different bedding, different feed and water available, even different handlers and they take it all in stride. One show we were at had about 30 hunter jumper stallions and there was nary an example of bad behaviour out of the entire lot, infact I see countless examples every show where people around have NO CLUE who is a stallion, backing mares in front of you and proceeding to walk a few feet ahead through a crowded ingate while you patiently have a stallion in hand behind them and no where else to move to.
And horsemanship in the hands of professionals is not neccessarily profoundly more skilled than amateurs.

In general I find that how you raise the offspring has a more subjective bearing on the horse you will have and its amateur suitability. There may truly be a few stallions that do not throw amateur friendly offspring, or dams for that matter but I personally have yet to encounter a problematic youngster that I could attribute to the breeding, I truly have not. I have bred to jumper stallions and I have been delighted to find the youngsters are as docile and easygoing and nonproblematic regardless of sire.

Now I think the question would be "how do you raise your horses to be confident, trusting, willing and amateur friendly?".

My horses have been by my own stallions Cotopaxi and Raffaello, also Cicero, Crack, Capone, Cantour and so on...

Synergy Sport Horses
http://www.synergysporthorses.net

Hello,

I completely agree with you ... your post is extremely well written
and I too have seen - and more often than not experienced from the
handler's side - exactly what you have written time and time again ...

(I surmise we should be stabling beside you in the future if possible !)

Yours in sport,

Lynn

[jvstanyer]

Northwest Sporthorse Stallions

Hi, If you are interested in finding a breeding at a great price check out the Northwest Sporthorse Breeders Association at www.nwshba.com. The 2008 stallion listing is open. There are several very amateur friendly stallions listed, Palladio is one of them.

[Ladybug Hill]

I have a friend that has a lovely Shine 2 year old and she knows a couple of others with Shine offspring. They are definitely nice horses and well behaved. I have been told that the stallion has smallish, TB type feet, but the Shine 2 year old has good feet so I am not sure.

Email me for pictures if you like and I will also give you Meg's email address too. christolar@comcast.net

[Rubs Not Pats]

Without a doubt POPEYE K.

Uhh hate to say it but have you seen WOW? She is amazingly beautiful but not amateur looking at all.

[KimPeterson]

I think more horses are victims of "Bad Breaking and Starting" than bad temperament. Some need to be brought along slower with the steps broken down and I think that often the owners may rush them. I agree with Hi Jump, also remember a stallion that is a harder ride can look/learn to be ammie friendly through a good rider and lots of exposure/training.

[Equino]

Uhh hate to say it but have you seen WOW? She is amazingly beautiful but not amateur looking at all.

Is she the big, bay mare in the Westchester area, for sale? I saw one recently at an OSF show, and while she was gorgeous, nice mover, jumper, definitely not easy at this point in her career. I've heard that aside Sailor's Spirit, most of the Popeye K babies have been a bit bloody and nervous. I don't know if that's true, never worked around one, just what I've heard.

[HSGF]

I have 2 Popeye offspring(one is now owned by a freind) and both are amateur friendly mounts. I don't ride much any more and I hacked my Popeye 3 year old at the time around and flatted her 3 times a week..... she is a joy to ride...very easy going under saddle. Both have been easy to work with and not complicated rides at all. A good friend of mine also has a Popeye youngster and he has also been very easy to train with a great mind.

There are quite a few Popeye's showing in my area (Ontario) that are being shown in the hunters with amateurs riders. So far I have heard really positive things from trainers and riders about the Popeye offspring......


Don't forget you also have to take the mares temperment into the equation as well...... stallions can't get all the blame or credit .

[CBoylen]

We have three Popeye babies in the barn, and they are all ridden by amateurs and easy to handle (seriously, for me, and I'm 5'2" on a good day). The one was just purchased for its owner to do in the adults next year, and has been showing in the adults and younger childrens all this year as a 5 year old. The other two are four and both shown by a professional, but ridden and handled by amateurs at home.
My two year old Popeye filly is also going under tack with no problem, and is very easy and friendly on the ground. My cousin recently purchased a yearling Popeye stallion with the intention of eventually making him up for herself as an amateur horse and keeping him a stallion, and he appears as though he's going to be appropriate for that.
Popeye himself is as easy to handle as they get, and takes almost no prep to get to the ring (I've been around Shine and he is also a great example of an easy prep stallion.). If all the geldings in the barn were all as easy to handle as Popeye we'd be golden .

[Equino]

Well, that's good to know! I'm aware the mare contributes a lot, probably the majority personality traits. Popeye is so popular, and for good reason, nice to know some of his offspring are following in his footsteps. I always wondered why his owner has only been on him once, and I guess I just assumed he was tougher than the public has been led to believe. I've riden and worked around a few Voltaire babies and they were all so much fun to ride, and easy easy easy.

CBoylen-is your 2 year old filly the one out of Roxanne? I'd imagine that cross is truly something special. Do you have pictures?

Now I realize my mistake...Of course I meant Rox Dene, not Roxanne! That's my sister's mare...Sorry for the mistype!

[CBoylen]

I always wondered why his owner has only been on him once, and I guess I just assumed he was tougher than the public has been led to believe.

The horse was purchased by her mother as a professional division horse, and not intended for her to ride. It wasn't a case of him being too tough to ride, just a management decision from the very beginning.

Yes, my two year old is the one out of Rox Dene. I don't have any recent pictures online, but there are a few older pics in my webshots. She seems to be pretty special so far.

[Rubs Not Pats]

Equino,
No it is a different horse, this one is a yearling out of Holy Cow. Now I will be the first to say, it could be a case of a yearling getting serious amounts of food (and anyone who has done the HB seriously knows that they do get fed "up") but I think there is a little more to this one.