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How does a performance mare change after breeding?

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  • How does a performance mare change after breeding?

    Another quick question.
    How does a performance mare - one expected to return to a competitive career post-weaning - change physically after foaling? I've heard it said that her canter will be forever changed but nobody ever elaborated on what exactly that means and whether or not it's a good or bad thing! Mare has a super canter as is so I'm interested to know if anyone has any input on this. I also rather imagine her topline will be somewhat compromised, and as this is her weakest link I'm curious to know if it can be recovered, or if she always might be a little bit saggy around the middle. Thoughts?
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    I think it depends on the mare.

    I don't have years of experience to go on, but I've been around 4 maiden mares (and a dozen "lifetime mamas").

    One of them hasn't seemed to change physically much AT ALL. In fact, I just started her back under saddle, at age 8, after two foals. She hasn't been ridden since she was 4 (OTTB). No belly sag, no weakness over her topline; she rides slightly better than your typical green TB off the track (a little tense, choppy, wiggly, but athletic). She never did get *huge* though, even right before she foaled.

    Another young mare (foaled at age 4 and 5) developed a little belly, but still could have worked back into shape easily. Unfortunately, we lost her to colic last summer.

    The other two look pretty much like has-been broodmares, after their first foal. Perma-bellies, and sacrificed a good bit of their youthful athleticism. (If they had much to begin with, lol)

    Then again, we have one mare who has had 4 foals (age 10). She was not bred last year, and this spring looks FANTASTIC. Strong topline, elegant mover, muscle in all the right places (better than a lot of riding horses!). The other open mares still have the broodmare-look about them; but there are definitely some of them that retain the sport-horse physique when mommy time is over.
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      I think it depends on how you manage them while they're in foal too. A mare who has been worked lightly, and kept strong will have an easier time of it than a mare who has lived out for the whole pregnancy when it comes to going back undersaddle. Plus, it helps keep that 'mental discipline' that riding horses need.
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        I think it depends on the mare. We just put my (now 5 year old) Sandro Hit x Donnerhall mare back under saddle and she is better than ever - bigger, stronger, and has an even better work ethic. She had good MPT scores from her test in Germany and was super but very green before being bred. She is quite a big mare and before being bred needed to work on improving her balance at the canter - she seemed to like to be on her forehand due to greenness. Now, she travels very uphill and just gets better and better. In general, with young mares. I think the additional handling broodmares receive, coupled with the experience of raising a foal, can mature them. (FWIW this mare did NO work during her pregnancy as I was not willing to risk it in this case).

        That said, with my top mares, I typically only plan to have them carry one foal themselves, then return to training and be bred by ET thereafter. I do think that after 1 or 2 foals, the disruption in training and physical changes are more likely to pose an obstacle to a serious performance career.
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        • #5
          My FEI level horse had her first foal as a 17yo. I kept her in full work to 4 months, she actually competed a couple of times while preggers as she was based at a competition yard which ran shows on site. She then stayed in light work to 9½ months, mostly walking out on the bridleways.

          She had her 'figure' back within a couple of days of foaling. Started riding her again with foalie at foot at 6 weeks post foaling with walking only for the first month building up from 5 minutes to 45 minutes. By the time the foal was weaned she was almost fully fit.

          She actually moves more freely behind now than she ever did pre-foaling. Her trot work improved considerably and there was no deterioration in her canter. She competed on to 19yo when I felt she wasn't enjoying it any more sp retired her to a bit of schoolmastering and hacking about. She's now 21yo and expecting her second foal at the start of May, still fairly fit and completely sound. Stopped riding her this time at 8½ months mainly due to lousy weather and lack of time.

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          • #6
            I have only seen positive results from breeding and returning to work. But agree, the level of fitness going into being bred, age and amount of time before returning to work after foaling makes a difference. But that said, even my older mares who haven't been ridden in years look good. My 21 year old girl has dropped her back some, but I'm not surprised with everything she has done.
            I have one mare who was the bottom of the herd (she was an orphan) and was always a little worried in the schooling area. After having a foal she is now queen boss of the farm and went back and showed with a lot more confidence.

            I bred a four year old last year and she looks fantastic - no sagging. She will go back to work after weaning and I expect her to be more mature and we will make up for her time off easily.
            As is our confidence, so is our capacity. ~W. Hazlitt

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            • #7
              I did not own my mare before she was bred, so I can only speculate and go off what I have been told by previous owners.

              The two things that seem to have changed pre/post pregnancy are that she almost seems WIDER through the rib cage and when out of work, she really truly does look like a saggy old broodmare with the dropped back, zero topline, and saggy belly. When people get on her for the first time, they're usually more than surprised to find how wide and round she is-- she now needs a 34cm tree, and she's not even 16.1h and is half TB. I am probably presenting her to a different registry this summer/fall and I am doing my best to keep her in at least moderate work as she looks SO much better fitted. I am told she did not have this issue pre-foaling.

              Taken today, while in moderate work at age 16...
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              Taken last summer at age 15. Had not had a rider on her back in quite some time.
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