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    Its been 2 years since the takeover of this program and I'm sorry to say that it is worse than ever =(

    No Payouts happened for 2011 SHN, people are now asking where's the money? THis really sucks!!!! I know there are stallion owners that know nothing of what is going on because they are not Arabian breeders, but have their stallion enrolled with this program. Just thought everyone should know the whole story.

    http://forums.arabianbreeders.net/in...-shn-paybacks/

    http://forums.arabianbreeders.net/in...-still-active/
    http://www.tamarawiththecamera.com

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    • Back in the beginning of this - several years ago, I had communicated to Laura that I no longer wanted my stallion to be part of this, and he has never been taken off the roster.

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        Seriously? WOW!

        This was an awesome program, back in 2009 we had $50,000 in prize money and everything was looking up. Now, who knows whats going on. Its sad when such a great idea gets ruined by incompetence.
        http://www.tamarawiththecamera.com

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          Well it has now been 5 months since SHN and the winners still have not heard from this program and still have no prize money. More importantly the winners have contacted this program and have not been responded to.

          If you are a stallion owner who has donated a breeding, Thank You!, but I would now be asking what the heck is going on! You didn't get the money for the breeding and the program that promises to Payout everything has not done so.
          http://www.tamarawiththecamera.com

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          • And SHN Payback will not respond to questions - particularly about what happened to the money and/or when will thosewho won money receive their checks. They simply ignore any and all questions. When I posted the question about when the recipients could expect to receive their checks on the SHN Payback facebook page they deleted ALL of my prior posts as well as my ability to post on the Payback facebook page. Clearly they (SHN Payback BOD) do not want to have to answer those tough questions - WHERE'S THE MONEY and WHEN CAN THE WINNERS EXPECT THEIR CHECKS?

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            • This happened to us, too. In 2010, I had contacted them about removing Apiro and it never happened. Then someone purchased a breeding for 2012 from them for Apiro. Of course, I was shocked as he wasn't supposed to be listed but when I contacted them, I was told that once a stallion is listed with them, then they are forever listed with them and the donation is not for just the one year but for every year. I am not okay with this. I was able to obtain a refund for the mare owner. They have some good ideas, but they need to get everything ironed out and earn the trust back.

              Originally posted by Daventry View Post
              Well, I have to say that I am appauled that all three of our stallions have been posted on the shnpayback.org AND the sporthorsepayback.com!!!! Neither website asked for a contract from us, one of the websites not even asking for permission to use our stallions. What if a stud fee had been purchased off of both websites? We have asked that our stallions be removed from both "programs". I'm sorry, but what an embarassing mess. Daventry Farms is definitely no longer in support of any of it.

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              • Please remove Bravo from the SHN payback auction. I have not read the whole thread but read enough to know we're not participating any further. I also sent an e-mail to info@shnpayback.org . I hope that's the right address?

                When the program gets back on track I will be happy to donate Bravo in the future.

                Thank You.
                Chris Misita
                www.hiddenvalleyfarms.net Home of Bravo and Warrick!
                To dare; progress comes at this price. All sublime conquests are, more or less, the rewards of daring.
                Victor Hugo

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                • Originally posted by showjumpers66 View Post
                  Of course, I was shocked as he wasn't supposed to be listed but when I contacted them, I was told that once a stallion is listed with them, then they are forever listed with them and the donation is not for just the one year but for every year.
                  Well that's a crock of...you know what! There isn't a Stallion Owner on the planet that's going to take orders from someone else in regards to how their stallion will be managed.

                  As soon as Peggy resigned from the program and she mentioned some "funny dealings" happening, we pulled our boys out...and I see now it was for good reason. When our stallions were not removed from the website, I threatened legal action and they were taken down immediately.
                  www.DaventryEquestrian.com
                  Home of Oldenburg, Westphalian & RPSI approved pony stallion Goldhills Brandysnap
                  Also home to Daventry Equine Appraisals & Equine Expert Witness www.EquineAppraisers.com

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                  • WOW... I haven't read each post here but this is unbelievable.

                    I noticed that OP posted (on Page 1) a link to another forum. 62 pages later on that forum, scroll down to post 614:

                    http://forums.arabianbreeders.net/to.../page__st__610

                    Life is short. Hug your horse!

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                    • After posting here about my stallion not being taken down in 2010?, someone from SHN emailed me and he has now been removed from their roster.

                      Luckily, before bidding, the mares owners did contact me, so I was able to tell the interested parties that he was no longer part of it.

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                        Originally posted by showjumpers66 View Post
                        This happened to us, too. In 2010, I had contacted them about removing Apiro and it never happened. Then someone purchased a breeding for 2012 from them for Apiro. Of course, I was shocked as he wasn't supposed to be listed but when I contacted them, I was told that once a stallion is listed with them, then they are forever listed with them and the donation is not for just the one year but for every year. I am not okay with this. I was able to obtain a refund for the mare owner. They have some good ideas, but they need to get everything ironed out and earn the trust back.
                        I'm so sorry, I know I have nothing to do with how this program is run, but I'm an Arabian person and I hate to see this program give our Arabian sport horses a black eye in the sport community. I also Thank You and all the other non Arabian stallion owners for giving this program a shot. I for one really appreciate it. It was a great program for 2 years, now I have no idea how this will end up. As of now a couple of SHN 2011 winners have received a check. Many others have not heard a word from this group and now people are wondering "Where's the money?" And the speculation that surrounds this question is not good. The last anyone heard we all have to wait until after Scottsdale to talk to anyone at Payback. I guess showing their horses is more important than sending out prize money and talking to stallion owners.
                        http://www.tamarawiththecamera.com

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                          Originally posted by Daventry View Post
                          Well that's a crock of...you know what! There isn't a Stallion Owner on the planet that's going to take orders from someone else in regards to how their stallion will be managed.

                          As soon as Peggy resigned from the program and she mentioned some "funny dealings" happening, we pulled our boys out...and I see now it was for good reason. When our stallions were not removed from the website, I threatened legal action and they were taken down immediately.
                          Where's the "Like" button?
                          http://www.tamarawiththecamera.com

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                            Originally posted by misita View Post
                            Please remove Bravo from the SHN payback auction. I have not read the whole thread but read enough to know we're not participating any further. I also sent an e-mail to info@shnpayback.org . I hope that's the right address?

                            When the program gets back on track I will be happy to donate Bravo in the future.

                            Thank You.
                            That is the correct email, but they have announced that their email is having issues. This is the reason they stated for not responding to people. I would also post this on their Facebook page. I have no doubt that it will be deleted, but it will also be seen by them.
                            http://www.tamarawiththecamera.com

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                            • Originally posted by stripes View Post
                              That is the correct email, but they have announced that their email is having issues. This is the reason they stated for not responding to people.
                              They are obviously monitoring this thread, since they contacted me because of my post here.

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                              • I certainly don't want to be part of anything like this and have some good contacts in the IRS (not the ISR, lol!!) that I can forward this thread to......maybe that will be a reason for them to get their house in order.
                                Last edited by not again; Feb. 12, 2012, 08:36 PM.
                                Anne
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                                "Where knowledge ends violence begins." B. Ljundquist

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                                  Originally posted by misita View Post
                                  Please remove Bravo from the SHN payback auction. I have not read the whole thread but read enough to know we're not participating any further. I also sent an e-mail to info@shnpayback.org . I hope that's the right address?

                                  When the program gets back on track I will be happy to donate Bravo in the future.

                                  Thank You.
                                  Just wondering if you've had a response to your email? They've been on their facebook page, so I know the excuse of everyone being out of town is bogus. Plus, with smart phones, wi fi and all those other handy little devices it is posible to be on the internet just about anywhere
                                  http://www.tamarawiththecamera.com

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                                  • It's a shame that such a good program is heading toward demise. Peggy did a great job with Payback but since the change in leadership, the question of it's financial health has been a recurring one. And with no answers forthcoming, owners that have their stallions enrolled should take note.

                                    What a damn shame.
                                    It's only when a mosquito lands on your privates that you realize there is always a way to solve problems without using violence. fb meme.

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                                    • And no response as to whether the 2012 sales funds are being used to pay the winners from 2011. Nobody on the BOD will respond regarding the money. Beginning to smell as though it isn't there to be paid out. Every excuse imagineable has been dished out as to why the winnings have not been paid out yet. Now they're stalling and can't (won't) respond to any requests until after Scottsdale. I'm pretty sure that not all of the directors are showing at Scottsdale. And even if they are, that does not abrogate their fiduciary duties to the organization - which means paying the money out as promised, in a reasonable time frame. It sounds like an investigation is in order... Perhaps not again's friend can get that started!

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                                      • There is a woman defending the actions of the BOD. In fact, she and Laura have been corresponding via email yet Laura, et al refuse to answer or explain why the prize money hasn't been distributed as of yet. Unfortunately, the woman defending Laura has been talking in circles and actually defends the COI created when some on BOD picked which classes would offer payouts then entered into those classes, not to mention enrolling their own stallions in the program. It seems Laura is telling her what to post, making her appear more of a lapdog therefore, has no credibility. Furthermore, since Patience is on the BOD, this situation discredits her as well. The whole thing is sad and a black eye on our breed.
                                        Last edited by kathy s.; Feb. 13, 2012, 05:48 PM.
                                        It's only when a mosquito lands on your privates that you realize there is always a way to solve problems without using violence. fb meme.

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                                        • Originally posted by stripes View Post
                                          Just wondering if you've had a response to your email? They've been on their facebook page, so I know the excuse of everyone being out of town is bogus. Plus, with smart phones, wi fi and all those other handy little devices it is posible to be on the internet just about anywhere
                                          Yeah, and I'm pretty sure Laura has been posting here as well.



                                          ETA: She did. http://www.chronofhorse.com/forum/sh...6&postcount=12
                                          Michael: Seems the people who burned me want me for a job.
                                          Sam: A job? Does it pay?
                                          Michael: Nah, it's more of a "we'll kill you if you don't do it" type of thing.
                                          Sam: Oh. I've never liked those.

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