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Here's one for the color peeps... AND the jumper peeps!

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  • Here's one for the color peeps... AND the jumper peeps!

    How do you like this guy?? I'll photograph him tomorrow in the Young Jumper classes...

    Vavalier

    Boby shot

    His pedigree is: (Cavalier x Havidof x Alme)

    What is that and where did it come from?
    Not all who wander are lost.

  • #2
    It looks like Silver Bay to me. If one parent is chestnut, it could have come through that parent, as silver only shows up on bay and black.

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      #3
      But is that gene present in the WB lines? I have no idea - I just think he is cool as all get out!
      Not all who wander are lost.

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      • #4
        He reminds me quite a bit of Osilvis...

        http://mwstables.com/osilvis.html
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        • #5
          Originally posted by Kinsella View Post
          But is that gene present in the WB lines?
          I've seen horses who I've been told are Dutch and tested Silver.

          I am betting this horse is silver. Can you get more information on him? Whats his dams name? Is he still a stallion?
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          • #6
            Originally posted by ShannonD View Post
            He reminds me quite a bit of Osilvis...

            http://mwstables.com/osilvis.html
            I was thinking the same thing!! Very pretty boy!

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            • #7
              Black hairs in a flaxen mane and tail on a chestnut....???

              I have often wondered about this combination of colors.....Deja Vu SCF (Quicksilber X Silvio 1 (bay)) was born a "Normal Chestnut", with two chestnut parents (Dam is Sabino), shed her foal coat and looked like a liver chestnut (see photo), then mane and tail turned flaxen with a large % of black hairs mixed in..... See second photo as a long yearling (now 2 yrs old), Deja Vu is back to a red chestnut, but more flaxen with increasing black hairs....What color IS she??<G>
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              • #8
                Chestnuts can change shades often and a lot during the first 3-5 years before settling into their real color. Flaxen is something that can take a couple of years to show up as well, and even then, if there is sooty involved, the maturing horse can get darker and darker. So, she actually sounds pretty common in her changes - regular chestnut to flaxen and perhaps sooty is making its presence known now
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                • #9
                  Wasnt there a Hanoverian jumper stallion some years ago with the silver gene, maybe Gralshulter or something like that (cant remember exact name)

                  So the silver gene is there is a limited extent
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                  • #10
                    He's def. silver bay but without his full pedigree and photos it is imipossible to tell where it came from. Since it is still a rare color I would guess it came from the dam.
                    Every mighty oak was once a nut that stood its ground.

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                    • #11
                      they call OSILVIS a chocolate palomino, which means it would be a chestnut gene.

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                      • #12
                        Then can call him whatever they like, it doesn't make it fact

                        He doesn't have a dilute parent, therefore cannot be palomino of any shade.
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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by JB View Post
                          Then can call him whatever they like, it doesn't make it fact

                          He doesn't have a dilute parent, therefore cannot be palomino of any shade.
                          Ahmen!!!
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                          • #14
                            I also bred a born chestnut colt from two chestnut( one liver) parents who grew up to be almost black( but liver) with an almost totally white mane and tail. Don't know if anyone has seen him but his name was Gameboy, sold as a foal to an FEI dressage trainer in California and was competed some in dressage, he would be in his early teens or so now.
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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by RiddleMeThis View Post
                              I've seen horses who I've been told are Dutch and tested Silver.

                              I am betting this horse is silver. Can you get more information on him? Whats his dams name? Is he still a stallion?
                              I have seen quite a few Silver Apple KWPN registered horses over the years.

                              One of our clients has a kwpn silver bay mare infoal to our cremello stallion, her dam is registered as chestnut however her dam is registered as a silver bay. Breeder is keeping her fingers crossed that the silver will be passed on, to produce a silver dilute.

                              http://www.paardenfokken.nl/pedigree.php?horseid=3279

                              The mare has produced one chestnut filly that has tested postive for silver and a colt that is the most delightful shade of buckskin. They had thought that the silver had perhaps produced this beautiful rich creamy coat and highlighted mane and tail but alas he does not carry silver.

                              http://www.horses-sales.com/photos/87580.jpg?

                              We also have two kwpn registered stallions licensed here in scotland, both are registered and present all the classic silver apple characteristics.

                              http://www.scottishsportshorse.org/img/lunging.jpg

                              Colleagues also have a chestnut mare that produced an exquisite silver bay filly by Versace. I don't know the mares breeding, keep meaning to ask, but obviously the silver is hidden on the chestnut base coat.

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                              • #16
                                Yes, Silver only affects black pigment, so you're right, it hides in red-based colors
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                                • #17
                                  Graf Grande, an imported Hanoverian stallion of Hans Dressler's, had silver in his mane and tail like that. And Grunox, the famous dressage horse, was similarly colored.
                                  Anne
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                                  • #18
                                    Originally posted by L&L View Post
                                    One of our clients has a kwpn silver bay mare infoal to our cremello stallion, her dam is registered as chestnut however her dam is registered as a silver bay. Breeder is keeping her fingers crossed that the silver will be passed on, to produce a silver dilute.
                                    Though she is not a warmblood, we love the color on our Silver Buckskin Welsh cross mare, Her color changes with the seasons and when she is clipped I love it!!
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                                    If you have a face book you can see the contrast in this pic of her half clipped. It still amazes me 3 years later!!
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