Update: Suggestions needed Now for MEDIUM pony hunter stallion- not small....

[ponylover2008]

I know, I know...yet another stallion suggestion thread! A friend and I are breeding a mare of hers who was very successful on the pony hunter circuit. We want to pick the best stallion suited to produce a small pony hunter. The thing is that she is a very large small pony, so we have to be careful on the size of the stallion. We need a stallion that throws a strong hind end with great jumps on the babies. We prefer welsh, but she isn't papered welsh, so it isn't a deal breaker. Of course, for hunters, we are looking for that nice movement, conformation, and jumping ability! Suggestions welcome!

[VirginiaBred]

Things to remember.

A first foal is smaller.
Is she pure welsh, or crossbred?
If crossbred, who are the sire and dam? That makes a difference in the suggestion of a potential sire for her.

You say she's not "papered" welsh, but is she full welsh?

What kind of mover is she?

[ponylover2008]

She is crossbred and the names of the parents I have never heard of! She is a very good mover. She was very successful in the pony hunter world...has a very well-known name and won at many big shows. She ribboned in U/S at the big shows, such as Capital Challenge, National Horse Show, Pony Finals, etc. She is a hard measure, though, so we want to be careful on the stallion we choose. I'd hate to end up with a 12.3 hander- of course I know there's always that risk no matter what!

[ponylover2008]

Sire is Tristan, I believe a section B welsh if it is the one I found on the Internet...

[Daventry]

If you are trying to produce a small pony hunter with a top of the line small pony mare, you're definitely going to have to go with a tiny stallion.

Randee will be able to give you some great advice on stallions, but I'm going to throw Penrhyn Sporting Chance out there. He's on our website in the link below.

[Sugarbrook]

Well, I might as well play. My Blue Who is 11.2 and his dam was a small section A who showed so successfully in pony hunter-land. I have bred him to tons of large smalls (those 12.3 handers) and the foals have remained smalls.
I also have bred Sugarbrook Blue Pacific, my medium, to the smalls and all the babies remained small (of course assuming that their is no HUGE hidden size behind the mare).

Their are some nice smalls on the VPBA stallion auction website to choose from also.

[TrueColours]

I LOVE the Loafers Lodge Spring Ahead pony:

http://www.hunterspeak.com/stallion_services

and from what I have seen of his offspring, they are really doing very well on the line and under saddle as well

If Jill comes onto this thread, she can also offer some insight as to what sizes he has thrown crossed with what size mares and what chance there will be of him producing a small out of a "large" small mare ...

[Nootka]

Here is a secton A someone showed me.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WCsJFEd50ew

He has a realllly nice jump also. PM me for jump pics

[crownridgefarms]

If you want hunter I would definitely consider two of the suggestions -
Blue Who & Penrhyn Sporting Chance.

Penrhyn Sporting Chance has soooo many successful HUNTER foals on the ground. I have been told he does not add size, so you would be safe on that end.

I have seen a video of Blue Who moving, and he has that great hunter movement. He has a huge stride for such a small pony, and who could go wrong with Blue Rain in their pedigree?

Just my two cents.

[Summerwood]

Be careful with any section A you are choosing, make sure they have the right movement that you desire for hunters. Sandy's stallion Blue Who (half-welsh) is absolutely adorable and is a FANTASTIC mover. I have seen him in person and he is very impressive. It would be worth investigating your mare's dam line to know exactly what you have got behind her size-wise before choosing a stallion. Another one that is great is *Pendock Larkspur, but I understand he can only do live cover now and he is in SC so that may not be feasible for you. There is video of him moving on www.heavenlypony.com under stallions. He has been on the USEF list for many years and is a heavier type stallion if you have a lighter framed mare.

[VirginiaBred]

Sire is Tristan, I believe a section B welsh if it is the one I found on the Internet...

I know Tristan.

Because she's a crossbred, you definitely want a purebred sire.
How does she move? I see she "ribboned" so that's nice. Does her step need to be improved?

[ponylover2008]

She moves really good. Her jump could use some improvement, which is why we are looking for a stallion that puts a nice hind end on his babies. Dam is "Jasmine"- not sure if that is the Glenmore Jasmine or not... I think it is.

[VirginiaBred]

[quote=ponylover2008]She moves really good. Her jump could use some improvement, which is why we are looking for a stallion that puts a nice hind end on his babies. quote]

I know the dam as well.

I'd go to Daventry and use Penrhyn Sporting Chance without hesitation. He puts an amazing hindquarter on them, good extension and awesome jump. Safe with the size and you'll get a very, very nice foal as a result.


Here is the website:
http://www.albertahorse.com/daventry...portingchance/

[PixelGraphixDesign]

Check out this guy:

http://www.secretambitionstables.moo...mon/4536395324

[allanglos]

This guy is adorable. 11.2H
Janas Kernal of Independence
http://shnpayback.org/stallions/jana...dependence.xml


And this one has an incredible proven record. 11.1-1/2H
Penrhyn Sporting Chance
http://shnpayback.org/stallions/penr...ing_chance.xml

[RyuEquestrian]

What about Telynau Falcon? In 2008 we bred a small 15.1h mare to him were hoping to produce a large (to be her first foal), but it seems that he will end up being a large medium instead. Unfortunately, he was orphaned, but my father has fallen in love with him and he will remain on our farm as the mascot.

We bred to him not only for his small size, but because we wanted something that produced a very nice mover with great personality and I think have achieved what we were after in the result.

Pics of Falcon

http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?pi...81&id=10402430

Telynau Falcon's page

[MyFancyHunterPony]

I would check out JLA Sir William, he is around 12hh and I know he doesn't add any size. He throws babies with incredible minds, I broke a 3 year old colt by him and it was the easiest pony I ever broke! He also had no groundwork down and didn't even try anything.

A lot of his offspring are proven as well, such as Sham's Raspberry Dream or Sham's Huckleberry. Liseter Fun N' Stuff is another one that comes to mind, he was a pony jump with great form. Sham's Raspberry Dream was hard to beat here in Ontario. She cleaned up in everything from Short Stirrup to the Small at the Royal.

JLA Sir William has also been on the USEF Leading Pony Hunter Sires list for a few years now.

[JA]

I believe Jasmine is/was a medium pony hunter who was owned by Ashmont farm. Maybe try to contact Allyson

[pwynnnorman]

I "third" Blue Who. Outstanding type, classic movement, potent pedigree.

[Windswept Stable]

I believe Jasmine is/was a medium pony hunter who was owned by Ashmont farm. Maybe try to contact Allyson

If so, Glemore Jasmine. By Forge Nimbus, out of Glenmore Chanel who was by Coed Coch Grey Cloud.

Are you sure of sire. I would be surprised if Allyson went out of her barn for a sire? But then again, i could be wrong. How old is your mare?