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  • TB approved by Zangersheide

    "Hopalong Cassidy" a Swedish TB by the US TB "Strong Statement" has been approved with very positive comments by the jury of the Z studbook.
    If some TB specialists can comment on his pedigree, it will be of great interest.`
    http://www.sporthorse-data.com/d?z=T...palong+cassidy

    The stud farm: http://www.berkenbroeck.com/_html/ma...&page=hengsten
    I can't get it in English, but also available in French.

    Could be a future star in the WB breeding arena, after winning five races and competed successfully up to 1m50 until the age of 16.
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  • #2
    That's a beautiful stallion. . .
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    • #3
      The racing photo in the photos on the bottom of that page is obviously not stallion in question.

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      • #4
        The racing photo says Sample Image -- I don't know why they don't put something else there.

        He is a beautiful horse. It's unusual to see Hyperion so close up.

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        • #5
          Hornbeam is one of the best of Hyperion's sons for sport. He's the damsire of Blakeney, sire of Julio Mariner. Sire of Honorius as well. Julio Mariner, of course, is good for both eventing and pure show jumping.

          It's a pretty standard European pedigree for a TB with a good mixture of US and European lines that have produced well for jumping over generations. The sire's damline is especially nice, with a double to Tourbillon. Every horse in the sire's damline has been productive for sport. In the sire's tail male line, both Nijinsky II and Rockefella have been found in some good chasers. Panaslipper is a grandson of Windsor Slipper, a name that shows up quite a bit in the great jumping pedigrees of a generation ago. Windsor Lad is even better. Caerleon, just to show how nice the Round Table mares are, is a Nijinsky son who is also out of a Round Table mare. Linacre is found in advanced eventers (in the US Ballinkilla Glory) and at least one BWP show jumper who has gone CSI 3* and 4*. Panaslipper was used in European sport horse breeding some, and is in the pedigrees of both jumpers and dressage horses through his WB daughters and granddaughters and one Oldenburg WB approved son, Apollo. I've found just as many dressage descendants for Panaslipper as jumpers and eventers. It all depends on who the female descendants are bred to.

          Strong Statement is the sire of three eventers on the equestrian-database, and he is also the damsire of two dressage horses per them.

          Helene de Troie was also the dam of La Troienne by Teddy, which makes Adargatis a 3/4 sister of La Troienne. Adargatis was the dam of Ardan, sire of Hay Hook, sire of Idle Dice. Pardal was used quite a bit in early SF breeding. He is also, IIRC, direct tail male to Stan The Man, great event sire. Has a couple of Irish descendants from Firestreak who have done CSI level jumping.

          The tail female line is Swedish for at least five generations. Edited to add that the female family is 2-g, one of the better ones for jumping horses. There is going to be some Australian genetic research on MtDNA effects on race horse performance in the next year or so.

          Will do more digging later.
          Last edited by vineyridge; Feb. 3, 2010, 09:20 PM.
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          • #6
            cool viney.... thank you!

            hey, the holsteiner verband's best current tb, ibisco, is now available here frozen through karen at foxfire..... care to have a stab at his pedigree when you have time?

            http://www.paardenfokken.nl/pedigree.php?horseid=288631

            or

            http://www.allbreedpedigree.com/ibisco2
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            • #7
              I had the opportunity to visit Czaravich at Gainesway a million years ago. He was a gorgeous individual -- big, substantial and just a super sporthorse type as well as being chestnut with lots of bling. I think he wound up being shipped to Europe or somewhere obscure because he just didn't get the numbers of winners on the track.
              PennyG

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              • #8
                Viney, thank you for that research, it's SO fascinating!
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                • #9
                  Viney, I just wanted to take a second and say, "you are my hero."

                  I just love reading this stuff!
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                  • #10
                    Vineyridge is so spectacular at this that one of my imported rescue TB mares has her name as a barn name!
                    Sakura Hill Farm
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                    Young and developing horses for A-circuit jumper and hunter rings.

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                    • #11
                      That's awesome!
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                        #12
                        Thanks Vineyridge, very informative, as usual.

                        Out of curiosity, what does Vineyridge mean ?
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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by vineyridge View Post
                          Hornbeam is one of the best of Hyperion's sons for sport. He's the damsire of Blakeney, sire of Julio Mariner. Sire of Honorius as well. Julio Mariner, of course, is good for both eventing and pure show jumping.

                          It's a pretty standard European pedigree for a TB with a good mixture of US and European lines that have produced well for jumping over generations. The sire's damline is especially nice, with a double to Tourbillon. Every horse in the sire's damline has been productive for sport. In the sire's tail male line, both Nijinsky II and Rockefella have been found in some good chasers. Panaslipper is a granddaughter of Windsor Slipper, a name that shows up quite a bit in the great jumping pedigrees of a generation ago. Windsor Lad is even better. Caerleon is a Nijinsky son who is out of a Round Table mare. Linacre is found in advanced eventers (in the US Ballinkilla Glory) and at least one BWP show jumper who has gone CSI 3* and 4*. Panaslipper was used in European sport horse breeding some, and is in the pedigrees of both jumpers and dressage horses through his WB daughters and granddaughters and one Oldenburg WB approved son, Apollo. I've found just as many dressage descendants for Panaslipper as jumpers and eventers. It all depends on who the female descendants are bred to.

                          Strong Statement is the sire of three eventers on the equestrian-database, and he is also the damsire of two dressage horses per them.

                          Helene de Troie was also the dam of La Troienne by Teddy, which makes Adargatis a 3/4 sister of La Troienne. Adargatis was the dam of Ardan, sire of Hay Hook, sire of Idle Dice. Pardal was used quite a bit in early SF breeding. He is also, IIRC, direct tail male to Stan The Man, great event sire. Has a couple of Irish descendants from Firestreak who have done CSI level jumping.

                          The tail female line is Swedish for at least five generations. Edited to add that the female family is 2-g, one of the better ones for jumping horses. There is going to be some Australian genetic research on MtDNA effects on race horse performance in the next year or so.

                          Will do more digging later.
                          Damn Viney ! You know TB blood like I know Holsteiner blood. SCARY !

                          Nice research !

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                          • #14
                            I was going to say the same thing about Viney - now that this has turned into a thread about Viney's knowledge of pedigree/sporthorse bloodlines - Agree - a good selection of sporthorse blood. I always love reading the commentary....and ticking off how many are in my horses' pedigrees.

                            Regarding the Holsteiner tb - good old Saddlers Wells is in there.
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                            • #15
                              Gosh, I'm blushing.

                              Andy, Viney Ridge is the name of our family cotton farm on which I live.

                              I was surprised today to learn that one of Sadler's Wells tail male grandsons was one of the gold medal French Event Team horses at the Athens Olympics. Horse's name is Fine Merveille and his sire is/was Dress Parade by Sadler's Wells. Another thing that is sort of interesting, but has little to do with with Olisco, is that Northern Baby, the great North American Steeplechasing sire, (Northern Dancer x Two Rings x Round Table) has an International (World Cup, World Championships, Athens Olympics) level son named Bold Action. And that Mill Reef is in the pedigree of the 2009 Pau 4* winner, King Artus (GER) through his grandson, King Milford (licensed WB sire in Germany, but I forget the registry. King Milford's sire's dam was a mare in the stable of the Queen of England, and is FF2-f. Her dams have been owned by the Queen for generations, and I love that female family which has been very productive for many generations--even before it went royal. The dam of King Artus is a tail male granddaughter of Ladykiller and her damsire line goes to the TB Nevado, who is by Hethersett, the sire of Blakeney. (And is Dollar TB line through Tourbillon.) Her second damsire was Cottage Son. Lots of talented TBs in King Artus's dam.

                              The dam of Royal Solo, Sharp Castain (Sharpen Up x Sultry Song x Tropique) is also the dam of a TB, Dashing Blade, who has numerous licensed sons with many different registries in Germany. I'm seeing lots of successful event horses in Ibisco's lines, but very few jumpers. He does have the obligatory line to Wild Risk through Blushing Groom's dam. Local Suitor is damsire of a full TB event stallion named Water Dance by Saddler's Hall who was in Andreas Ostholt's string for a number of years. 3* is as high as he went according to equestrian-database. According to Paardenfokken, Water Dance is/was Holstein approved.

                              Special, Sadler's Wells' 2nd dam, was a full sister of Thatch, sire of Prince Thatch and Thatching. Special was herself a very special mare in the breeding shed, since she also produced Nureyev.

                              Ibisco's dam Itza was a winner at the track. Ibisco himself had
                              4 wins and 2 Places out of 11 starts, per Pedigree Query. I found a pedigree page for his damline, but am having trouble downloading it. Ibisco is a blacktype winner for Germany. Comes from a very nice flat racing family--
                              3rd dam
                              IDRISSA (GER) (by Tamerlane): Champion 3yr old filly in Germany in
                              1975, 5 wins in West Germany and £29,257 inc. Preis der Diana, Gr.2,
                              Deutscher Stutenpreis, Gr.3 and G. Herbst-Preis der Int. Harvester, Gr.3, placed
                              2nd Ludwig Goebels-Erinnerungsrennen, Gr.3, Stutenpreis der Dreijahrigen, L.
                              and 3rd Preis der Winterkonigin, L.; dam of 4 winners inc.:
                              IRISETTE: 3 wins in West Germany inc. Dusseldorfer Stuten Preis, L., placed
                              4th ARAG Schwarzgold-Rennen (1000 Guineas), Gr.3; dam of 6 winners inc.:
                              Idria (GER): 4 wins at 3 and 4 in Germany and placed 3 times; dam of
                              Isarnixe (GER) (2 wins at 2 and 3, 2006 in Germany and placed 4 times
                              inc. 2nd P. Union-Gestuts Fruhjahrs-Stuten-Preis, L.).
                              Ingola: winner in Germany; grandam of INGOLF (GER) (6 wins in Germany
                              and £85,761 inc. Benazet-Rennen, Gr.3 and Dortmunder Fliegerpreis, L.).
                              Idun (GER): unraced; dam of IBO (GER) (6 wins in Germany and £26,230
                              inc. Der Grosse fur Sie Beauty-Dahlwitz Preis, L., placed 13 times); grandam
                              of IBISCO (GER) (3 wins at 2 to 4 in Germany and £24,484 inc.
                              Oppenheim-Rennen, L., placed twice), Itzmo (GER) (winner at 4, 2006 in
                              Germany and placed 7 times inc. 2nd Preis der Nordtreuhand, L.)
                              .
                              Last edited by vineyridge; Feb. 3, 2010, 10:15 PM.
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                              • #16
                                Originally posted by Bayhawk View Post
                                Damn Viney ! You know TB blood like I know Holsteiner blood. SCARY !

                                Nice research !
                                Way to pat yourself on the back Bayhawk!

                                In all honesty, there are many many lines among TBs that have been proven for sport. It all depends on what a horse inherits.

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                                • #17
                                  One thing that I have learned from this exercise is that Round Table is a helluva good damsire line for sport.
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