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  • Stallion for Voltaire mare

    Hello,
    I want to breed my Dutch mare this year and am curious about stallions. She is a Voltaire, 16.1 hands and hot. I would like to breed for a larger, longer strided horse that can do either Jumpers or Eq.
    She has great conformation so I don't need corrective changes.
    Any thoughts? I was thinking Consul or Liocalyon..

    Her breeding is:
    Dutch Warmblood bred by CGH Hofland imported to the US in 2001.
    Sire is Voltage out of Voltaire. Dam is Salome xx out of Queen's Champion xx
    Last edited by alirae; Feb. 3, 2010, 09:02 PM.

  • #2
    cubito or cunningham.

    don't be fooled by cunningham's success in the hunter ring. he jumped over 5' as a 2yo at his neumunster stallion approval in 2000.
    Hidden Pearl Farm

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    • #3
      Depending on her build, I too suggest you looking at Cunningham. He's very quiet. His younger full sister is in the jumper ring doing 1.45m
      "Sometimes you just have to shut up and color."

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      • #4
        Cubito looks perfect but the breeding contact seems a little one sided.. Does anyone know of someone who has bred to this stallion? They don't have video and only one foal listed.

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        • #5
          What is the rest of the pedigree? Voltaire has been used a lot and can throw a few different types, largely based on the mareline.
          www.newstandardsporthorses.com

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          • #6
            As someone else said it is hard to give specific advice without knowing more about the mare, but generally here in Europe Voltaire is known to go very well with Nimmerdor-blood but also Indoctro. I am not too familiar with the Stallions you have in US but I an sure you have very good stallions with that kind of blood
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            • #7
              Fully agree with Northern about Voltaire and Nimmerdor going well together, Kannan being the best example of that.

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              • #8
                Originally posted by alirae View Post
                Hello,
                I want to breed my Dutch mare this year and am curious about stallions. She is a Voltaire, 16.1 hands and hot. I would like to breed for a larger, longer strided horse that can do either Jumpers or Eq.
                She has great conformation so I don't need corrective changes.
                Any thoughts? I was thinking Consul or Liocalyon..
                As others here have pointed out, you don't mention the rest of her pedigree but FWIW Voltaire's owner Dr Jan Greve (see interview on Articles page on my site) talks of the Voltaire 'attitude' and the Nimmerdor cross as well as options like Ramiro, Joost and Pilot among other interesting observations but again, depends on the full pedigree of your girl.
                GreenGate Stables
                http://ggstables.webs.com/

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                • #9
                  Ikoon's sire line is Libero H/Nimmerdor.

                  I have an Ikoon filly that I am very fond of.
                  www.oakhollowstable.blogspot.com

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                  • #10
                    So not to derail this thread however I am curious as to why several of you keep recommending Cubito? He has not done anything yet and does not have much on the ground.

                    I would personally lean more towards something with some offspring and record for a mare I have never bred before.

                    Maybe Goodtimes also if you are looking for the Nimmerdor cross. I also like Ikoon.

                    I love Cunningham as well.
                    Hickstead 1996-2011 Godspeed
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                    • #11
                      Plaid Horse Stallion Issue

                      Check out The Plaid Horse Stallion Issue... you may get ideas there...

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                      • #12
                        Our stallion Equinox is by Torino (Heartbreaker/Cassini) out of Summers Day (Ramiro) so based on the stallions suggested he would have many of the bloodlines (Heartbreaker, Cunningham is a Cassini, Ramiro) that have been suggested to cross well with Voltaire. Equinox is very level headed and easy to work with, quite the gentleman but is 16.1 hands. See more info on our web site: www.serenityfarmsinc.com

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                        • #13
                          If the mare is hot Nimmerdor seems like a tough cross. I love Nimmerdor however they can be difficult in the mouth and have a "confrontational" attitude at times... just in my opinion.

                          Do you want to use a Dutch stallion? I know a lot of people who have been very happy with Roc USA babies, great minds, lots of step and jump.
                          www.jazcreek.com
                          Specialized Equine Rehabilitation, Reproduction, and Fitness in the Wine Country of Northern California

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                          • #14
                            For really really easy characters and super jumps I would suggest Navarone (Jus de Pomme x Armstrong). He is available by fresh and puts on the easiest babies out there. Check out his son Thorwald (Navarone x Voltaire) who is doing super with a young amateur rider now at Level 4. Navarone's oldest offspring are winning in the Grand Prix jumper ring now. He has competed to Grand Prix dressage and now is going back into jumping. A super all around stallion and available fresh semen.

                            Kathy
                            Majestic Gaits-Dutch Warmbloods,#1 USEF Dressage Sporthorse Breeder. #1 KWPN-NA Jumpers.Standing Navarone,Schroeder,Dante MG.VDL Frozen.

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                            • #15
                              What about the Hilltop Farm guest stallion Laroche? Concorde with a Nimmerdor damsire. He looks really nice to ride around the big jumps. . . .go watch the videos. . .
                              Dina
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                              • #16
                                VDL Laroche is by Concorde, who is by Voltaire. Voltaire is not one I would double up on.

                                Equinelvr, Cubito won his stallion testing in Holstein in 2006. No small feat. Hopefully we'll see him in sport as time goes on.

                                Another one that works with Voltaire is Burggraaf. A few examples of this cross are Oxford, Budweiser, and Kingston. The Ramiro/Alme nick combined with Voltaire has also been interesting.
                                www.newstandardsporthorses.com

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                                • #17
                                  Thank you for the great suggestions. Here is her full breeding:

                                  Her breeding is:
                                  Dutch Warmblood bred by CGH Hofland imported to the US in 2001.
                                  Sire is Voltage out of Voltaire. Dam is Salome xx out of Queen's Champion xx

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                                  • #18
                                    Go look at all the Rainbow Equus Meadows stallions. . . I like Baron VanGogh (Burgraff) who has super, super technique and a great, great mind, and size/substance or LandFriese II (but might be to refined for you), but Edgar has a super line up.

                                    Do you have a picture or video?
                                    Dina
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                                    • #19
                                      How do you attach a picture?

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                                      • #20
                                        I really love stallions standing at South Lane Farm

                                        http://www.southlanefarm.com/

                                        I have 3 Pepper and love them all ! Very nice character and versatile !
                                        Élène

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