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  • High Performance stallion sons of High Performance sires

    Can we do a couple of lists here for the following:

    1 - Grand Prix dressage stallion sons of Grand Prix dressage stallions.

    2 - Grand Prix show jumper stallion sons of Grand Prix show jumper stallions.

    3 - Working Hunter (is that the highest level for hunters?) stallion sons of Working Hunter stallions. Am I correct in thinking there probably won't be a lot here since many hunters were/are sired by TBs that didn't show much themselves, and now, by jumper or dressage type warmblood stallions?

    4 - Advanced eventing stallion sons of Advanced eventing stallions. Again, not too sure how many we will have here.
    Last edited by DownYonder; Jan. 11, 2010, 04:07 PM. Reason: Edited title for clarity
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    #2
    I can start with a few for the dressage list:

    Donnerwetter and his sons Donnerhall and Disco Dernier
    Donnerhall and numerous GP sons, including Donnerschlag, Don Gregory, De Niro, Davignon, Don Schufro, Don Primero, Dream of Glory, Donatelli, Don Principe, Damon Hill, etc.
    Donnerschlag and his son Donnerwind
    Don Schufro and his son Diamond Hit

    Rubinstein I and numerous sons, including Rohdiamant, Royal Diamond, Relevant, Rolling Stone, Rubignon, Rubino Bellisimo, Regardez Moi, etc.
    Rohdiamant and sons Rubin Royal, Romanov, Rhodes Scholar, etc.

    Enrico Caruso and his son Kostolany
    Kostolany and his sons Gribaldi and Showmaster
    Gribaldi and his sons Painted Black and Totilas

    Idocus and his son Olivier

    Samber and his son Art Deco

    Cocktail and his son Jazz
    Jazz and his son Tango

    Master 850 and his son Tip Top

    Solos Carex and his son Scandic

    Grundstein I and sons Grusus and Giorgione
    Last edited by DownYonder; Jan. 12, 2010, 05:26 PM. Reason: added names

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    • #3
      Gribaldi / Totilas

      Idocas / Olivier

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      • #4
        Great idea for a thread.

        Can people naming stallions put (NA) for those stallions who stand in North America? Thanks.

        This fits in with a question of mine. If you want to buy a prospect for the highest level of the sport, you want to choose children of parents who performed at that level. Right?
        www.oakhollowstable.blogspot.com

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        • #5
          I think Rolling Stone is also by Rubinstein I and he is upper level dressage. Lovely horse!

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          • #6
            Darco and Parco and other stallion sons for SJ.
            "I'm a lumberjack, and I'm okay."
            Thread killer Extraordinaire

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            • #7
              Some SF "Chef de Race" those stallions have multiple progeny at GP level, I cite the most famous: (some have all ready the fifth generation of international GP winners.

              Almé > Galoubet > Baloubet du Rouet > South Wind
              Almé > Galoubet > Quickstar > Sprehe Stella
              Almé > Jalisco B > Quidam de Revel > Nabab de reve > Vigo d'Arsouille
              Almé > Jalisco B > Papillon Rouge > Fleche Rouge
              Almé > Jalisco B > Olisco > Kraque Boom
              Le Tot de Semilly > Diamant de Semilly > Kalaska de Semilly

              Jumpers
              Last edited by andy.smaga; Jan. 11, 2010, 01:59 PM.
              "If you can meet with Triumph and Disaster, And treat those two imposters just the same"
              Rudyard Kipling
              Quartz Rouge

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              • #8
                Advanced eventing:

                Welton Gameful
                --> Welton Crackerjack
                --> Welton Louis --> Welton Ambassador
                --> Welton Apollo --> Up with the Lark
                --> Welton Gazelle*(dam of Summersong and Catherston Dazzler)

                Fleetwater Opposition
                --> Yarlands Summersong --> Leprince des Bois

                Jumbo
                -->Jigilo

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                • #9
                  3 - Working Hunter (is that the highest level for hunters?) stallion sons of Working Hunter stallions. Am I correct in thinking there probably won't be a lot here since many hunters were/are sired by TBs that didn't show much themselves, and now, by jumper or dressage type warmblood stallions?
                  I think the bigger issue is that few stallions compete in the hunter divisions.
                  Roseknoll Sporthorses
                  www.roseknoll.net

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by Oakstable View Post
                    This fits in with a question of mine. If you want to buy a prospect for the highest level of the sport, you want to choose children of parents who performed at that level. Right?
                    Not necessarily. I want to pick the offspring of parents that are proven *producers.* The parents may or may not have competed at high levels themselves.
                    Roseknoll Sporthorses
                    www.roseknoll.net

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                    • #11
                      yl, exactly right.

                      this is a big difference in the thinking about breeding here vs europe. in america folks are bamboozled by the horse with the big blue ribbon or the gold medal, and want to breed to him. in europe, they look and see how that horse was bred and do it again.

                      it is about knowing the difference between a sport horse and a breeding horse. there is great resistance to this idea here, and for sure there are areas of overlap and rare individuals who manage both. but the european experience my program looks to leverage from is very clear minded in this area and stands in stark contrast to the typical stateside breeding mindset.
                      Hidden Pearl Farm

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                      • Original Poster

                        #12
                        I would just like names, please.

                        Let's not get sidetracked on THIS THREAD on the merits of breeding to high performance stallions versus non-high performance stallions.

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                        • #13
                          Sandro Z and his son Sandro Boy!
                          Sporting Chance Farm/Dr Carlos and Karin Jimenez
                          Breeders of International Quality KWPN Horses
                          2006 KWPN-NA Breeders of the Year/2006 Res CH USDF DSHB Breeders Year
                          www.sportingchancefarm.com

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                          • #14
                            Jazz and Parzival (and many others!)
                            Sporting Chance Farm/Dr Carlos and Karin Jimenez
                            Breeders of International Quality KWPN Horses
                            2006 KWPN-NA Breeders of the Year/2006 Res CH USDF DSHB Breeders Year
                            www.sportingchancefarm.com

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                            • #15
                              stallions

                              Originally posted by DownYonder View Post
                              I would just like names, please.

                              Let's not get sidetracked on THIS THREAD on the merits of breeding to high performance stallions versus non-high performance stallions.
                              indeed, it is an interesting question, and quite fun when you find where it has occurred. however, it can be misleading and needs qualification that success less frequently follows the performance trail. in the persuit of successful breeding such a caveat is more than relevant.
                              Hidden Pearl Farm

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                              • #16
                                OLYMPIC COCKTAIL AND HIS SON JAZZ!
                                Sporting Chance Farm/Dr Carlos and Karin Jimenez
                                Breeders of International Quality KWPN Horses
                                2006 KWPN-NA Breeders of the Year/2006 Res CH USDF DSHB Breeders Year
                                www.sportingchancefarm.com

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                                • #17
                                  Golan - International Jumper (Reserve horse for German show jumping team) and Circuit Champion 4' conformation winner, by the International jumper Goya - who is by the legendary Gotthard.

                                  I was happy to have found a photo of Goya for a Golan article. He only stood at stud for two years before a pasture accident ended his life early.
                                  The photo is here:
                                  Goya
                                  As is our confidence, so is our capacity. ~W. Hazlitt

                                  Gift Hill Farm

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                                  • Original Poster

                                    #18
                                    Originally posted by karin@dutchbreeders@aol.com View Post
                                    Jazz and Parzival (and many others!)
                                    Isn't Parzival a gelding?

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                                    • Original Poster

                                      #19
                                      Originally posted by ne1 View Post
                                      indeed, it is an interesting question, and quite fun when you find where it has occurred. however, it can be misleading and needs qualification that success less frequently follows the performance trail. in the persuit of successful breeding such a caveat is more than relevant.
                                      This would be a good discussion for another thread. I do not want to derail this thread, though. Thanks.

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                                      • #20
                                        OOps Down Yonder...I think you are right! Parzival may very well be a gelding.....

                                        One more:

                                        Gribaldi and his son Painted Black......
                                        Sporting Chance Farm/Dr Carlos and Karin Jimenez
                                        Breeders of International Quality KWPN Horses
                                        2006 KWPN-NA Breeders of the Year/2006 Res CH USDF DSHB Breeders Year
                                        www.sportingchancefarm.com

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