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  • Section B Welsh Pony Stallions that throw size!

    I'm looking for a pony stallion for a 12.1 mare. This is my first venture into pony breeding, so I need some guidance! The mare has a lot of downland breeding, by a Carolina's mare. She is 12- 12.1 and a 3 year old. I would like to get her started and established first, but am already thinking of some stallions for her. Would I be pushing the limit if I tried to get a medium from her, due to her size? Or would I be able to breed her to a bigger sec. B with the hopes of a medium?? The mare has 10 movement and a great temperment. But I would like to add more bone and height to her. Any stallion suggestions??

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    I would suggest Empire's Power. His owner posts on here and would be able to give you a better idea of what size you may end up with. He's a Section K Welsh (Welsh cross) stallion imported from Holland and I think he's just under 14.3 HH.
    www.DaventryEquestrian.com
    Home of Oldenburg, Westphalian & RPSI approved pony stallion Goldhills Brandysnap
    Also home to Daventry Equine Appraisals & Equine Expert Witness www.EquineAppraisers.com

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      #3
      So if he is half welsh, will the foal then have to be registered half welsh as well?

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      • #4
        Originally posted by hrfponies View Post
        So if he is half welsh, will the foal then have to be registered half welsh as well?
        Yes
        www.DaventryEquestrian.com
        Home of Oldenburg, Westphalian & RPSI approved pony stallion Goldhills Brandysnap
        Also home to Daventry Equine Appraisals & Equine Expert Witness www.EquineAppraisers.com

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        • #5
          My only other suggestion is to go with something like a British Riding Pony Stallion. The problem is, if you are trying to produce a pony hunter prospect and your mare is only 12.1 HH, you may be limited on the Section B stallions you can use.

          The height limit for Section B's in the UK is 13.2 HH. The height limit for the B's in the United States is 14.2 HH (14 HH in Canada). But personally speaking, once they start going over 13.2 HH, they start to lose their type (coarser heads, etc.). So, while you could breed to a 14.1 HH Section B stallion (there are VERY few), you may end up with a size you prefer, but may lose the cute factor and correctness.

          So, if you are striving for a medium or large, you're better off going to a cross bred or another breed of pony that might thrown you more height on your small mare, like the Section K Welsh or the BRP.
          www.DaventryEquestrian.com
          Home of Oldenburg, Westphalian & RPSI approved pony stallion Goldhills Brandysnap
          Also home to Daventry Equine Appraisals & Equine Expert Witness www.EquineAppraisers.com

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          • #6
            Originally posted by hrfponies
            So if he is half welsh, will the foal then have to be registered half welsh as well?

            Empire's Power isn't considered half welsh in America. Patty says he's a Section K, which the Welsh Pony & Cob Society doesn't recognize so you wouldn't be able to register it.

            I know the OP asked for a Section B stallion. I'd recommend one that Nancy Reed stands:
            http://www.landsendfarm.com/
            Randee Beckman ~Otteridge Farm, LLC (http://on.fb.me/1iJEqvR)~ Marketing Manager - The Clothes Horse & Jennifer Oliver Equine Insurance Specialist

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            • #7
              I definitely agree with what Daventry wrote....

              As far as bigger B stallions, Rollingwoods has one:
              http://www.rollingwoodsfarm.com/elliott.html

              He seems like he's produced some ponies that have done well for them. If you like his kind of pedigree, he would be one to consider.
              Family Partners Welsh Ponies - Home of Section B Welsh stallion *Wedderlie Mardi Gras LOM/AOE http://www.welshponies.com
              Click here to buy: A Guide To In Hand Showing of Your Welsh Pony

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                #8
                I would like to have the welsh registry option as we enjoy the welsh pony shows. My students have a blast and its a great place to take the babies for experience. But the goals is to produce a hunter pony that is going to be fancy but have enough rideability for children. Do you know the size on the stallion at Lands End??

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by VirginiaBred View Post
                  Empire's Power isn't considered half welsh in America. Patty says he's a Section K, which the Welsh Pony & Cob Society doesn't recognize so you wouldn't be able to register it.
                  I was assuming the OP's mare was a registered Section B Welsh. If so, you would be able to register the foal and get Half Welsh papers regardless. If the mare isn't registered, the only way to get Welsh papers would be to breed to a purebred Welsh.
                  www.DaventryEquestrian.com
                  Home of Oldenburg, Westphalian & RPSI approved pony stallion Goldhills Brandysnap
                  Also home to Daventry Equine Appraisals & Equine Expert Witness www.EquineAppraisers.com

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                  • #10
                    The one at Land's End, Cottrell Amadeus, can't be all that big as his pedigree consists of mostly under 13.0 HH. I'd be surprised if you get a lot of size out of that pedigree.

                    I also second Rollingwoods Easy As L. I've seen many of his babies and loved them all. He's 14.0 HH and a purebred Section B. You may have heard of some of his babies, Gayfields Miss Lydia Pinkham and Gayfields L O Dolly, who have done extremely well on the Welsh circuit and at Devon. Rollingwoods is very nice to work with too!
                    www.DaventryEquestrian.com
                    Home of Oldenburg, Westphalian & RPSI approved pony stallion Goldhills Brandysnap
                    Also home to Daventry Equine Appraisals & Equine Expert Witness www.EquineAppraisers.com

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by Daventry
                      I also second Rollingwoods Easy As L. I've seen many of his babies and loved them all. He's 14.0 HH and a purebred Section B. You may have heard of some of his babies, Gayfields Miss Lydia Pinkham and Gayfields L O Dolly, who have done extremely well on the Welsh circuit and at Devon. Rollingwoods is very nice to work with too!

                      I love this one also!!!
                      Randee Beckman ~Otteridge Farm, LLC (http://on.fb.me/1iJEqvR)~ Marketing Manager - The Clothes Horse & Jennifer Oliver Equine Insurance Specialist

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                      • #12
                        You might consider a German Riding Pony
                        Whispered Wish Weser-Ems: Breeding quality German Riding Ponies!
                        Standing the stallion Burberry
                        www.germanridingpony.com
                        www.facebook.com/HighlifesBurberry

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by hluing View Post
                          You might consider a German Riding Pony
                          I agree. They tend to be fairly typey, and run about 14hands-ish.

                          I LOVE hluing's young stallion
                          Making Your Ambitions a Reality at Secret Ambition Stables.
                          Quality Welsh Ponies and Welsh Crosses bred for sport
                          Facebook Page.
                          Section A and Section B Welsh Ponies at stud

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                          • #14
                            Not very close to you, but my friend's stallion is very typey and 13.1.

                            http://www.moosemeadowponies.biz/ned.html

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by Daventry View Post
                              I would suggest Empire's Power. His owner posts on here and would be able to give you a better idea of what size you may end up with. He's a Section K Welsh (Welsh cross) stallion imported from Holland and I think he's just under 14.3 HH.
                              Thank you Daventy. Yes, Empire's Power can upsize your mare and should accomplish the goals.
                              He is 69% welsh, but the Welsh K is not recognized in US.
                              However, if YOUR mare is full welsh-- then the foal can be registered half welsh thru her.
                              If your mare is not registered, you would need to use a purebred welsh so that you can get half papers.
                              Trying to get a good size medium, perhaps may be hard if not impossible with a section B to a small mare.

                              Best wishes.
                              Windswept Stables-Specializing in Ponies
                              Sales, Breaking,Training,Showing, Stud Service

                              Home of 2008 Sire of Year Reserve Champion
                              Pony Hunter Breeding - Empires Power

                              www.EmpiresPower.com

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                              • #16
                                I agree.
                                Sandy
                                www.sugarbrook.com
                                hunter/jumper ponies

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                                • #17
                                  I have to agree with Daventry, you have to be really careful when you are looking at the taller welsh ponies, they often do tend to lose their type and therefor probably some of the very qualities you like so much in your little mare (especially the head). The thing that I like about Empire's Power is not only his height but he looks like he also has good bone, which is many times harder to find in the taller ponies, who can sometimes look like mini tb's. In my opinion, some (NOT ALL) of the Downland ponies tend to have that look. You mentioned you wanted to add bone to your downland bred pony so that would be a plus for Empire's Power. I was going to suggest Salvandi Jazzman (half-welsh, 14.1 1/2) from Rosmel but I reread your post and I don't think he would have the bone you want. I have not seen him in person but from the photos he looks a bit light for a cross on a lighter mare. R. Easy as L is a nice pony too and could be a nice cross, and your resulting foal would be purebred.
                                  Best of luck to you.
                                  http://summerwoodwelsh.com
                                  Summerwood Farm Welsh Ponies~
                                  http://www.facebook.com/Summerwoodfarmwelshponies

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                                  • #18
                                    Is the mare a purebred, or did I miss that bit of info?
                                    Sandy
                                    www.sugarbrook.com
                                    hunter/jumper ponies

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                                    • #19
                                      Originally posted by hrfponies
                                      I'm looking for a pony stallion for a 12.1 mare. This is my first venture into pony breeding, so I need some guidance! The mare has a lot of downland breeding, by a Carolina's mare. She is 12- 12.1 and a 3 year old.
                                      If she is a purebred, I'd suggest Meadowbrook's Special Edition. Richard Taylor stands him and he's wonderfully bred, a crossbred and 14.1 1/2. I know the stallion well and he will give you the size you need for a medium for your first foal. Here is his pedigree:

                                      http://www.allbreedpedigree.com/mead...pecial+edition

                                      Lovely stallion - be sure to check out his photo there.
                                      Randee Beckman ~Otteridge Farm, LLC (http://on.fb.me/1iJEqvR)~ Marketing Manager - The Clothes Horse & Jennifer Oliver Equine Insurance Specialist

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                                      • #20
                                        Tiffany, You should come see my new buckskin colt. He will be a solid 13.2 or more and is very typey with a lovely head and neck. He has some good size to his pedigree and should produce some larger purebreds. He is a lovely mover and has an impecable pedigree http://www.allbreedpedigree.com/barkmeadow+gold+mine. Cottrell Amadeus is lovely and a really nice mover, but he is about 13hh. I have seen him in person and he is a super pony. I also have a really nice gelding by Rollingwoods Easy As L that I just love. Since you are close, you are welcome to come by sometime and see the colt and the gelding. Here are some photos of the colt.
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                                        Quicksilver Farms, LLC
                                        "Welsh Hunter Ponies"
                                        Welsh Sec. B Stallions and
                                        Fancy Show Pony Prospects
                                        www.quicksilverponies.com

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