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  • Grey Arabian Stallion what do you think of him?(Pedigree)

    There is an arabian stallion for sale in my area. I'm not sure of his breeding but he is a double Red Tape grandson registered name SA Pzephyr E. They are selling him for $400.00 cheap because they want him to go to a good home. Selling because he is out with another mare and stallion and have trouble keeping weight on him. They say it maybe easyer if he was gelded. This it was it says ...."The reason we are selling him is that he is very difficult to keep weight on living with the mare and stallion. He should probably be gelded to get him at proper weight."
    Also he has only been ridden 12 times and he is to small for the owner to ride(14.1). Apparently a fabulous mover was bought as a yearling for $3000.00.

    My question is this a great opportunity for me to own a great horse at a great price. I am not an arab breeder and don't know much about what lines to look for? Would probably geld him. Would be looking to do a bit of everything with him, jumping, dressage, western maybe even some barrel racing. Sorry I don't have pictures yet.
    Anything send big red flags up bad, good?

    Thanks guys! Still on my never ending search for my horse!

  • #2
    Originally posted by Cavesson View Post
    There is an arabian stallion for sale in my area. I'm not sure of his breeding but he is a double Red Tape grandson registered name SA Pzephyr E. They are selling him for $400.00 cheap because they want him to go to a good home. Selling because he is out with another mare and stallion and have trouble keeping weight on him. They say it maybe easyer if he was gelded. This it was it says ...."The reason we are selling him is that he is very difficult to keep weight on living with the mare and stallion. He should probably be gelded to get him at proper weight."
    Also he has only been ridden 12 times and he is to small for the owner to ride(14.1). Apparently a fabulous mover was bought as a yearling for $3000.00.

    My question is this a great opportunity for me to own a great horse at a great price. I am not an arab breeder and don't know much about what lines to look for? Would probably geld him. Would be looking to do a bit of everything with him, jumping, dressage, western maybe even some barrel racing. Sorry I don't have pictures yet.
    Anything send big red flags up bad, good?

    Thanks guys! Still on my never ending search for my horse!
    I'm going to sound like a fun-hater. So I apologize in advance. Yes to the red flags. The red flag to me is:
    -The price,
    -They can't keep weight on him (what does being a stallion have to do with that unless they are breeding him a ton or he is a bit nutty--I'm asking honestly. Hard keepers cost alot more over the long run...
    -He's only been ridden 12 times (or are you a trainer--I don't know).

    Most expensive horse I ever got (and my first horse--live and learn) was free! Owner was selling it for $0 because she "so wanted a good home."

    Purchase price is the absolute cheapest part of owning (almost) any horse. [Man I sound like my dad--I guess we do grow up to be our parents] I mean I've spent well over $400 on my riding horse this month already (and he's pasture boarded in a rural area and I didn't have any vet calls or buy new tack either).

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    • #3
      Hi Cavesson,

      I can't find specifics re: his Dam or Sire but I would assume from the SA in his name and being that he is of Red Tape lines, that he was bred by Summit Arabians. You might want to contact them and/or you can find a lot of info about Red Tape on their website @ http://www.summitarabians.com.

      I own a Red Tape granddaughter myself and if she is a typical example of these lines then I could not wish to find more in terms of character and temperament. We started together as two greenies, which made for some moments of rough sailing, but we are now currently training second level with some third level moments sprinkled in.

      My mare is by the Red Tape son Rouge Mont (there is some video of him on You Tube if you want to see how he moves) and she was selected for a feature on Arabian Sporthorses in the August issue of Practical Horseman. These are sporthorse type Arabians and I know that Red Tape most certainly produced horses capable of competing in dressage.

      If you are looking for something versatile than I would share that she, and other Red Tape grandget that I have met are smart, athletic, willing and competitive.

      His weight issues could be something simple, could be stress related (especially being that he is obviously not the dominant stallion) and Arabians are generally easy keepers. I would be a little concerned about his size being only 14'1 but if it is a good size for you than I think he would be worth looking into.

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      • #4
        I checked Datasource and he is not registered with the Arabian Horse Assoc.

        Probably registered in Canada.
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        • #5
          Probably Not A Bargain

          More Red Flags.
          I saw Red Tape show on the national level several times; he was a very talented horse in the divisions that he was shown. He was however, a park and formal driving horse; high stepping and hot. I do not remember him being as successful as a sire as he was a show horse.
          I would take pause at buying a horse from someone that keeps two stallions together along with a mare. Pretty poor husbandry.
          I think the BEST THING for this horse is for his breeder to be contacted and perhaps they would buy him back and get him straightened out.
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          • #6
            Originally posted by chemteach View Post
            More Red Flags.
            I would take pause at buying a horse from someone that keeps two stallions together along with a mare. Pretty poor husbandry.
            I'm going to disagree with you here. I think a young stallion that has been in regular turnout with other horses (particularly mares and another stallion) will have learned some decent horse socialization skills that are often missing with other young stallions.

            But I do think you should investigate the situation thoroughly before making a decision to purchase. As you should with any horse.
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            • #7
              I think the knock on Red Tape as a sire was that he never reproduced himself. The OP is not looking for a park or english pleasure horse. If you are not getting what he was, a hot headed (yet I know that he was also sensible) national quality park horse, you are still getting a great athlete.

              Every Red Tape offspring, grandget that I have met myself or have spoken to others about were very sensible, laid back, easy going horses.

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              • #8
                The weight issue could be easily resolved if he's being chased off the feed source by the other stallion/mare and maybe needs to be dewormed. If you can offer him a good home and decent training, go ahead. He probably needs a break - good luck!
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                • #9
                  Originally posted by TKR View Post
                  The weight issue could be easily resolved if he's being chased off the feed source by the other stallion/mare and maybe needs to be dewormed. If you can offer him a good home and decent training, go ahead. He probably needs a break - good luck!
                  PennyG
                  This was my thought as well. He could just be not getting enough calories if he is being pastured with an older stallion.

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                  • #10
                    He is registered with the CAHR

                    SA PZEPHYR E Registry # 43507
                    Foal Date 03-APR-03

                    I don't have access to the DB but perhaps someone can look him up?

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                      #11
                      Thanks everyone! It would be great if someone could look up his pedigree!

                      I've contacted the owner but have not gotten a reply yet.

                      At first the weight thing set a red flag off for me to but then I came to the same conclusion as a few of you. He could very well be on the lower end of the pecking order. The fact that he was turned out with a mare and stallion also set off flags. However being out with other horses is a good thing! Some stallions have no social ability. Perhaps the other stallion has "put him in his place". Not sure how to explain it...not letting him get a big stallion head! If that makes sense at all

                      Anyway all precautions would be taken if I even get to the point of possibly buying him. I do have training experiance by the way and know what I'm getting into
                      Thanks again! I'll post picture if I get some.

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by Cavesson View Post
                        Thanks everyone! It would be great if someone could look up his pedigree!

                        I've contacted the owner but have not gotten a reply yet.

                        At first the weight thing set a red flag off for me to but then I came to the same conclusion as a few of you. He could very well be on the lower end of the pecking order. The fact that he was turned out with a mare and stallion also set off flags. However being out with other horses is a good thing! Some stallions have no social ability. Perhaps the other stallion has "put him in his place". Not sure how to explain it...not letting him get a big stallion head! If that makes sense at all

                        Anyway all precautions would be taken if I even get to the point of possibly buying him. I do have training experiance by the way and know what I'm getting into
                        Thanks again! I'll post picture if I get some.
                        Sorry, I totally missed the part in your first post about who he was turned out with when I made my comments...

                        Please do post pics.
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                        • #13
                          IMO, it's pretty bizarre management putting 1 mare and 2 stallions together. Sounds like a very stressful situation for this boy. There is no such thing as a free/cheap horse, but the weight issue could possibly be dealt with by a better pasture arrangement, worming/teeth check/ulcer check, for starters.
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                          • #14
                            I dont' disagree with turning stallions out with other horses, but I do think it is absolutely an accident waiting to happen to do it in a mixed herd environment, UNLESS the 2nd is still young (aka stallion in mare/foal situation).

                            Stallion with other stallion/geldings, fine. Stallion with bred mares (or if they are breeding, mares) fine......mixing, oiy that is just a recipe for disaster. In the wild the boys are driven into batchellor herds by the boss stallion, where does this guy have to go? Or - we are assuming he is the bottom of the pack horse, he MAY be the boss stud out in that pasture and the weight issue is from constantly chasing/fighting off the other stud.

                            Are you looking for an arabian in particular? In this market, I think you could probably find another diamond for a great price without the bizarre owner red flags (and yes, I see several).
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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by Cavesson View Post
                              Thanks everyone! It would be great if someone could look up his pedigree!
                              I have looked at his pedigree. He's double Red Tape+// (a most wonderful *Bask son), beautiful, extemely athletic and one of the best *Bask sons ever IMO (after the grey, Reign On).

                              SA PZEPHYR E - CAHR*43507
                              Foal Date: 03 Apr 2003
                              Color: Grey
                              Gender: Stallion

                              Sire: SA SILVER SAUTERNES (CAHR *42015) Grey 1999
                              Red Tape+// x SA Valentine


                              Dam: Redd Susie SA (CAHR*43118) Chestnut 1997
                              Red Tape+// x AMF Debutante


                              He was bred by Red Tape's owner, Dr. Dianne Stackhouse, who doesn't own junk.

                              If his size isn't an issue for you, I don't think you can go wrong with this boy at that price. Of course, check him out yourself. But I agree he's being poorly managed. Who in their right mind puts two adult stallions and a mare out together?

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                              • #16
                                Here's a couple of photos of Red Tape+//:

                                Confo:
                                http://public.fotki.com/hypoint/arab...tstallion.html

                                Under saddle:
                                http://public.fotki.com/hypoint/arab...kxdelahar.html

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