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New Dutch Mare -- Advice, Thoughts, Suggestions, ...pretty please!

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  • New Dutch Mare -- Advice, Thoughts, Suggestions, ...pretty please!

    Although I'm mostly a Hanoverian breeder, I could not pass up this mare! Olivia is Keur, has interesting bloodlines, is relatively young (1996 model), and the price was too good to pass up. She is by Anriejetto out of a Corvado/ Capitano dam. Pedigree here: http://www.allbreedpedigree.com/olivia+keur

    Here are a few pictures of her:
    http://i228.photobucket.com/albums/e...s/IMG_1196.jpg
    http://i228.photobucket.com/albums/e...s/IMG_1203.jpg
    http://i228.photobucket.com/albums/e...s/IMG_1206.jpg
    Jumping:
    http://i228.photobucket.com/albums/e...livia_oxer.jpg
    Dressage:
    http://i228.photobucket.com/albums/e...401_256440.jpg

    I'm in the process of stallion selection for her. I'm looking to produce a dressage horse suitable for an amateur. I like that she's a big, substantial, old-style horse. I like the jumping ability she has and hope that helps put a strong hind end on her babies. She has a good temperament, loves to jump stadium (not so much cross country) and did well in dressage. She was trained to third level.

    She was bred once, to Iroko, and had a lovely hunter/jumper. Here are some pics of him:
    http://www.photoreflect.com/pr3/Thum...2&g=0BEF0081E6

    If she were yours, what/who would be your choice and why?

    Can anyone tell me more about the horses in her pedigree? I read the recent thread about Anriejetto, but, besides Cor de la Bryere, I don't know much about Holsteiners.

    Hano breeders: Do you think I should present her to the AHS?

    How do you pronounce "Anriejetto"?

    Thanks all!
    Kendra
    Last edited by RunningwaterWBs; Jan. 6, 2010, 01:46 PM.
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    I dont know a lot about dressage (I'm from the H/J world) but from what I do know, I'm much more impressed by her dressage picture than her jumping picture. While she has a nice expression and square needs she seems to be a flat jumper, without the bascule she would need to be an upper level hunter or jumper. I would stick with your original thought and try to breed a nice dressage horse, athough there are some lines that are successful in both, a la Argentinus.
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    • #3
      I agree that her jumping photo isn't the best ever, but DAMN that baby of hers can jump! He looks like he's got some scope.

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      • #4
        She might have been a fabulous Big Eq horse with her dressage training and particular jumping style. What about Jazz or Ferro for her? In terms of dual talents, Idocus comes to mind (he has produced super hunters and dressage horses) but you might want something more modern. She looks like such a lovely mare!
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        • #5
          I would probably breed her to Johnson or Rousseau or Jazz or ........

          Nice mare - congratulations!
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          • #6
            Indeed, this is a very nice mare. Congratulations on your purchase!

            If you are aiming at producing a modern looking dressage foal, how about Lingh?

            http://www.hasslerdressage.com/stallions/lingh1.html

            http://www.offieldfarms.com/Offield/...tallions/lingh

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            • #7
              Congrats on your nice new mare! I don't really have any specific suggestions but I will say her baby can definitely JUMP!

              My stallion is a very light modern type and a super mover. He is by Contender so perhaps Contester is similarly light like my boy? I know he has done well in the dressage ring, while still having a versatile pedigree if your baby decides it wants to jump like it's sibling does. Again, I don't know much about Contester specifically but my guy is very light and elegant so something along those lines might help lighten her up and give you what you are looking for.

              Rousseau would be a nice choice. As for Jazz, haven't there been threads about his offspring being more sensitive/hot? I may be way off, but would check that first since you want an ammy temp.

              Congrats again on a great buy!
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              • #8
                I have a Rousseau filly out of my Sandro Hit x Donnerhall mare. I love Rousseau and would breed to him again in a heart beat.
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                  #9
                  Thanks, guys.

                  Keep the stallion suggestions coming! This gives me much to think about for the next few months. I must say I'm also giving Farrington a great deal of thought for her.

                  I'm no jumping expert, but she was top 10 in jumping (tied for 8th nationally in 2003) at her keuring. Unfortunately, that one photo of her jumping is all I've got.
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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by hansiska View Post

                    I'm no jumping expert, but she was top 10 in jumping (tied for 8th nationally in 2003) at her keuring. Unfortunately, that one photo of her jumping is all I've got.
                    She is a bit flat in that one photo but tidy with her knees - and just based on that one pic might be phenomenal as a jumper or eq horse but did not scream hunter to me, necessarily. But as you said it is only one pic. I really like the mare, though. She has a kind eye and you can tell she is well bred.
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                    • #11
                      Do you have her lineor scoring ?
                      Last edited by bloomingtonfarm; Nov. 30, 2009, 05:23 PM.
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                      • #12
                        You CAN breed to a jumper and get a great horse for dressage...so look for a stallion registered in her current breed registery (KwPN?) that is lighter in body (more modern) and throws great temperment.

                        Farrington is great for all that (not sure about the modern type but he throws great temperment). Flemmingh is also good for the modern type and temperment plus throws jumping and dressage talent.

                        KwPN accept Holsteiner (AHHA) bloodlines (great for jumping, not as well known for dressage), so I wouldn't try to get mare accepted into AHHA unless she already is in their "A" book.
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                        • #13
                          The mare is actually from the Holsteiner stamm 18A2 so her mare line is holsteiner. Her dam Calliope has a full sister named Tabina. Look at paardenfokken to see her lineage
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                          • #14
                            FYI hansiska here is your new mare's pedigree on a much more reliable website that has a lot more tools to play with! http://www.paardenfokken.nl/pedigree.php?horseid=493205 If you look under database-> breeding tools there is a virtual mating feature so you can see the pedigrees of all the babies you could make with whatever stallions

                            If you explore mor into her dam's line her dam has a half-sister named Vabima that produced the stallion Edelmann by Exorbitant xx, and is second dam to the stallions Perfectum (by Pronto) and Acardi (by Acord II).

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                              Originally posted by Valentina_32926 View Post
                              You CAN breed to a jumper and get a great horse for dressage...so look for a stallion registered in her current breed registery (KwPN?) that is lighter in body (more modern) and throws great temperment.

                              Farrington is great for all that (not sure about the modern type but he throws great temperment). Flemmingh is also good for the modern type and temperment plus throws jumping and dressage talent.
                              Thanks! I actually went to see Farrington this weekend at Majestic Gaits. He looked great. I loved the movement, too. I saw some Flemmingh horses there too and they were fantastic, but I think Kathy said there's no Flemmingh semen left.

                              Thanks for that suggestion ponygirl! It was cool to find the whole dam line laid out like that.
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