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  • Sassy, where are you?

    I thought I would start a new thread where we could get some updates on this poor mare's condition. For those who haven't been following the story on the Suerte thread, Sassy went through one of the most horrible foaling experiences imaginable last Friday. Hopefully, she is still alive and well.

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    according to the board at Mare Stare, the mare is alive, and the owner adopted orphan foals so she would have a baby or two to mother.

    Staying out of the politics, just passing on what I heard.

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    • #3
      I'm equally worried about the next one due up there....

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      • #4
        Owner leaving for the weekend. Nice!! Just what the mare needs.
        Sandy
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        • #5
          Are the foals she "adopted" all fillies?? should I expect to see them in a couple of years in foal to her stallion?

          Susan

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          • #6
            Nurse Mare Sassy

            Our Sassy whent through a bad dystocia, about 7yrs ago. The vet had to cut the foal out to save Sassy. She is fine today and loves her foals.

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            • #7
              Owner leaving for the weekend. Nice!! Just what the mare needs.
              Oh but, if anything happens, she can call and "walk her" (the MO) through the birth. This is her first mare in foal, all should be well. Per the update on the MS board.

              They sure have a terrible time with camera batteries. Three sets have gone bad, thereby preventing ANY pictures from being posted for the board to see.
              Also, per the update.

              I feel it, I just have a bad feeling.
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                #8
                Anyone visited the MO's website? Seen her bio and the articles written about her with the constant pleas for donations? Why would someone in her physical and financial straits take on the responsibility of breeding and foaling out mares. Something just doesn't smell right over there, and I fear Sassy isn't the only animal paying the price.

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                • #9
                  Let alone high risk mares, Lulu. It's so, so scary.
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                  • #10
                    I wasn't going to jump in here, but after reading the updates on the other board I had to. The mod. from there that keeps stirring things up here asked them to put Sassy on cam for even just a few minutes and they say they can't until maybe tomorrow. She is getting a visit from the vet for some antibiotics because of her diff. foaling (after how many days?) and at least 2 of the foals "adopted" are sick. Lovely. From reading one of the other threads "over there", it seems like people think that we are picking on her because her mare had a problem foaling. They don't get it at all. Someone even defended her by saying that these things happen and she's not like people who knowingly breed horses that have problems like HYPP or LWO. Arrrgghhh!
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                    • #11
                      The mod. from there that keeps stirring things up here asked them to put Sassy on cam for even just a few minutes and they say they can't until maybe tomorrow.
                      So even the Mods are asking, huh? They've put forward a lot of excuses (multiple sets of dead batteries, depression, exercise, etc, etc, etc) about why not a soul has seen Sassy or the foals. I feel a really good "story" is on its way from "over there". Vet coming out, (riiiiggghhhht), maybe he'll find an incurable, painful reason why Sassy is no more.

                      I would like nothing better than to eat humble pie, and have to apologize for my evil, suspicious thoughts.
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                      • #12
                        Geez, I can't blame them for not putting Sassy back on Cam, given the amount of Monday-morning-quarter-backing and general snarliness the owner was subjected to re: the foaling.

                        It may well be that Sassy should not have been bred due to her history but I for one do not have enough background info to say that and think many others are way too quick to judge, and judge harshly, which does nothing to help a difficult situation.

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                        • #13
                          re: the foaling.
                          It was mostly about her ongoing "updates", BEFORE the foaling process. Just as these current "updates" have people saying WTF.

                          If you go over there you WILL NOT find any of the questions, suggestions that were put to her. They have done some heavy editing over there, which of course will change ones perception of the situation.
                          *** 4 More Years ***
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                            #14
                            I have been banned from the MareStare boards so I appreciate the updates from over there. I too am awaiting Brownie's delivery with great trepidation.

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                              Originally posted by A. P. View Post
                              Geez, I can't blame them for not putting Sassy back on Cam, given the amount of Monday-morning-quarter-backing and general snarliness the owner was subjected to re: the foaling.

                              It may well be that Sassy should not have been bred due to her history but I for one do not have enough background info to say that and think many others are way too quick to judge, and judge harshly, which does nothing to help a difficult situation.
                              I hear you and if I had not watched the drama unfold in all its gory length (into the night here) I MAY agree with you but the horrid birth with the dead foal at the end was just the seemingly almost inevitable result of a catalogue of desasters and bad judgment calls and it shook me to the core. Had I not watched with two friends (via skype) I think I would not have slept that night.

                              YES things go wrong and where there is lifestock there will be deadstock but the fact that the whole situation could and SHOULD have been avoided made it very hard to stomach.

                              SURE we could have looked away and watched "Desperate Housewives" instead but the end result would have been the same.
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                              • #16
                                I would also love to know that sweet sweet Sassy is OK. I didn't judge what happened on "that" day. THAT day was not the issue. Sure, it was horrible to watch but like a train wreck, watch I did. However, if the mare was taken to OSU as the MO admitted days before her vets advised her to do, then it wouldn't be an issue. If the mare, known to be in foal with twins at 6 months (and the wording was STILL with twins at 6 months meaning they knew BEFORE 6 months she was carrying twins, was a twin herself, had already foaled out twins that died, etc) had been properly dealt with by either aborting the pregnancy or removing a twin (I am NOT a breeder and don't know what is or isn't possible in that case but something could be done for the safety of the mare-that I am sure of) then it wouldn't be an issue.

                                The problem we have all had is that the MO admitted things in public about the mare, about what she was told to do by the vets, etc but had excuses like "Sassy was mistreated before I bought her so she'd be nervous at OSU and I don't want to stress her out" and "now the weather is too bad so I can't take her" and in general just kept putting off what the vets said-for whatever her reasons. That meant poor sweet Sassy had to go through 3 hours or more of more arms than I care to count going in and out of her to try and removed a mumified foal and foal that was alive until they fought for too many hours and the foal suffocated due to dystocia. Oh, and another thing. She was given banamine, over a fairly long period of time, while they were trying to dilate her to ease her pain. I'm not a breeder but I'd think banaime would be a hinderence in the general functions of dilation/contractions/etc.

                                THEN. This is almost more horrifying than the ordeal Sassy went through. The owner says she's going to have Sassy be a nurse mare. We discussed if that would be good or bad (on CoTH). Many thought the mare needed a break but the knowledgeable breeders here clarified saying even though the mare had high doses of banamine and other drugs, it would be ok and could be beneficial...as long as cleared by her vets. That was fine, we all accepted that.

                                However, the day before there were pleas for donations to cover vets costs for "that" day. Many on marestare.com were offering all kinds of money and assistance. What does the MO do? She doesn't come home with a foal for Sassy. She doesn't come home with two to take the place of the twins Sassy lost. She comes home with 5! Count 'em 5! orphan foals. What on earth?! Ok. She wants to give them a home. That's great, I think all of us horse lovers can understand the desire to give every living pony a home. However, she has no money for vet bills for a mare that she put in great danger by basically ignoring the vets advice to get the high risk mare to a clinic but she can afford to adopt 5 orphan foals!!??!! She stated she planned on letting Sassy have 2 of them since she woulda had twins anyway.

                                Is judging her harshly wrong? Maybe since we don't reallly know all the details but seriously - how can anyone defend her? They don't have to crucify her I guess but defending isn't an option either. How many times have CoTHers come together and given money for a good cause? I have seen so much good go to those that need it soooo badly. I can't imagine giving money to someone from here and finding out info such as that.

                                I just hope Sassy is ok. I am tempted to go visit since the MO has said it's ok. I will be in OH April 12-15 for Equine Affaire. I'm going to be visiting family in Fairborn after that. I might just have to find my way to Wapakoneta!
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                                • #17
                                  Well, I kept my mouth shut over on the Suerte thread becasue that is her thread. However, I can't keep my mouth shut any more. Something is not quite right. I did not watch Sassy's foaling because I was out of town but I knew it would not turn out good. I did however read every post made during and after the foaling. The red flags started going off in my head from the first post about the mare. That mare should have been at OSU or where ever they were going to take her the minute she was showing signs she was getting ready. Like a week before it even occured. With suspected twins you do not take risks. It is not a wait and see situation, especially with her foaling history. And many people are right, she probably should not have been bred. From the take I got the mare was bred to her owners Andy stallion. Which I think she said in her first post on the MS message boards. Why breed a TWH and an Andy? Fine if you want to breed funky crosses, but don't let me see them end up at the local auction. I am also curious to see Sassy and said foals. How hard is it to snap a pic?
                                  As far as Brownie, this could be another scary one. I hope not, but I don't have a good feeling about it. I have been following the updates on her as I am not banned from the site, not signed up even. So if you want updates I can look. The mare is a rescue mare from the Humane Society. Now I thought that there were/are breeding stipulations on adopted horses from there. Has this changed? Now maybe she was preggers when adopted but I have a feeling she was not. I also have a feeling, now this is purely speculation and I may be totally wrong so correct me if you know otherwise, that she was bred to friends andy stallion. And IF she was, that is just wrong. Like I said, this is all speculation and someone is more than welcome to step up with the truth/facts.
                                  And five foals Why not just one maybe two so that you can be sure you are going to be successful in raising them. And only to re-sell them? If I was the rescue I would have said no. And now they are wanting to go back and get more?
                                  Okay I have said my peace.
                                  There is just as much horse sense as ever, but the horses have most of it.
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                                  • #18
                                    now this is purely speculation and I may be totally wrong so correct me if you know otherwise
                                    You are not the only one with questions/suspicions. I've been smelling something not so rosy for almost a week about this. As I said previously, If SOMETHING happened to this mare, I just can't see the MO admitting it.

                                    Now they say the vet is coming out to give her antibiotics. Almost a week later?? I would have hoped they would have administered something THAT night, when the vet was there. Maybe this is a second shot.

                                    Like I said before, I feel a "story" in the making. I hope I am wrong.
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                                      #19
                                      I don't want this to come off as insensitive, because I certainly applaud anyone who overcomes physical adversity in their life, BUT something just doesn't add up here. How could a woman with so many apparent ailments even consider the rigorous challenge of foaling out mares, especially one with twins. I mean, doesn't this woman claim to be partially paralyzed? Seeing her on camera, with her arms inside her horse, I no longer know what to believe.

                                      Last week, this young woman lured many of us into her drama, playing the victim with a barnful of victimized horses. She asked us to watch Sassy so she could sleep. She updated us with increasingly dire predictions, confused us with contradictory medical reports, then oddly, seemed almost nonchalant when Sassy seemed to be going into labor. Her last post was full of "LOLs" as she joked about how she'd have to deliver the foals all by herself because no one else was around.

                                      There are many other MOs with cameras who may do things differently from the breeders here, but I don't see any of them inviting viewers into their personal drama quite the way Sassy's owner did. For the sake of the horses at this facility, I truly hope I'm just seeing the glass half empty, but when I tuned into Brownie's camera, through that same chain-link fence, with the same pink bucket, it gave me a very bad feeling.

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                                      • #20
                                        I completely agree Lulu. It is story after story. What is the truth and what is not is anybody's guess. I do hope that the real story will be told at some point. All I have to say is that sometimes karma can be nasty.

                                        Originally posted by Lulu View Post
                                        I don't want this to come off as insensitive, because I certainly applaud anyone who overcomes physical adversity in their life, BUT something just doesn't add up here. How could a woman with so many apparent ailments even consider the rigorous challenge of foaling out mares, especially one with twins. I mean, doesn't this woman claim to be partially paralyzed? Seeing her on camera, with her arms inside her horse, I no longer know what to believe.

                                        Last week, this young woman lured many of us into her drama, playing the victim with a barnful of victimized horses. She asked us to watch Sassy so she could sleep. She updated us with increasingly dire predictions, confused us with contradictory medical reports, then oddly, seemed almost nonchalant when Sassy seemed to be going into labor. Her last post was full of "LOLs" as she joked about how she'd have to deliver the foals all by herself because no one else was around.

                                        There are many other MOs with cameras who may do things differently from the breeders here, but I don't see any of them inviting viewers into their personal drama quite the way Sassy's owner did. For the sake of the horses at this facility, I truly hope I'm just seeing the glass half empty, but when I tuned into Brownie's camera, through that same chain-link fence, with the same pink bucket, it gave me a very bad feeling.
                                        There is just as much horse sense as ever, but the horses have most of it.
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