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Guidelines for choosing an Arabian stallion for my TB mare??

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  • Guidelines for choosing an Arabian stallion for my TB mare??

    I am looking into breeding my 16.1hh TB mare to an Arabian. She is a pretty heavy bodied mare with typical TB feet and bone (adequate but not that Wow what good feet and bone : )) ) She is an average mover, very good jumper and a tempermant that is calm, sane and steady, either show or trail riding.

    I am looking for some refinement of course but I read Crabbet lines are desireable for sport horse performance???

    Any other hints as I start my search??? I would be planning for just an all around performer, lower level dressage, eventing, jumping with an eye for some endurance dabbling!!! All in an attractive package of course!!

    TIA

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    Bloodlines are as important in Arabians as in warmbloods. Look for performance lines and not halter lines. You should also look VERY CAREFULLY at the stallion's legs. Many Arabians are strung out behind and you don't want this in your foal. Look for a more apple shaped butt rather than the typical table top croup.

    In fact, I'd look at Arabian breeders who concentrate on the sport horse venues, rather than the Arabian main show ring. There are several really top Arabian sport horse stallions right now. Immediately coming to mind are OKW Entrigue+++//, Jumpin Jak Flash+++// and NV Beau Bey and Klint Black.
    Visit Sonesta Farms website at www.sonestafarms.com or our FaceBook page at www.facebook.com/sonestafarms. Also showing & breeding Cavalier King Charles Spaniels.

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    • #3
      Look at Arabian stallions that are approved by warmblood registries, they have been selected for their sporthorse qualities.
      Taez is one in my area, he's approved with ONA.
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      Wenn er faellt dann schreit er...

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      • #4
        There is an Arabian auction going on, not sure if it is over, but the last I looked, few breedings had bids.

        The ATA has approved a handful of Arabian stallions. Take a look at their auction, too.
        www.oakhollowstable.blogspot.com

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        • #5
          here are a few more:

          http://www.paybackranch.com/
          AM Ghost Ship has produced some lovely offspring and Melanie's other stallions are also quite nice

          http://legendaryarabians.com/legend.htm
          Aul Magic is ATA approved

          http://www.arcangelarabians.com/blaze.html
          "Blaze" sired my young guy who has an exceptional hind end:
          http://www.faeriecourtfarm.com/AAA_L...fthe_Seas.html (my guy's not standing at public stud at this time)

          another ATA approved Arabian: http://americantrakehner.com/Stallio...arahQuebec.asp and http://al-marah.com/stallions/amquebec.html (the photos and video don't do him justice)

          you can find links to other Crabbet line breeders here: http://www.ecahs.org/links_page.htm
          Dawn Jones-Low
          Faerie Court Farm
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          • #6
            Go here https://secure.arabianhorses.org/per...cgi?func=start and look up which Arabians, Half-Arabians and Anglo-Arabians have been winning the sport horse classes at Sport Horse Nationals, Youth Nationals, and Canadian Nationals.

            Get a subscription here http://www.arabdatasource.com/ and look up how they are bred and to get contact info for who owns them.

            That is where I start all of my stalion searches, in the horse show results, then I look at the pretty advertising pictures

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            • #7
              Looking at stallions who did well at the arabian sporthorse nationals is a great place to start, but you might want to also look at stallions who have done well in endurance especially since you said that you plan to do a little eventing. I bred to an endurance stallion named Sanskrit 3 times even though I ride dressage. Even though a horse isn't shown in a particular discipline it doesn't mean he doesn't have the talent for it. He is amazing! He's 16H, grey, and has gaits to die for. I'm also partial to a dressage stallion named Kharbon Kopy.

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              • #8
                I LOVE the Crabbets. They have the legs, athletic ability and personality that are the RIGHT cross.

                I have sent you a PM.
                Chris
                Ladybug Hill--Hunters and Ponies
                WWSD? (what would Suerte do?)

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                • #9
                  As a half-arab sporthorse breeder, I personally love the Polish lines over Crabbet... lots of bone, often more height than Crabbet, and just an overall "look" that I adore.
                  I try not to worry about what people think. They don't do it very often.

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                  • #10
                    Pol's

                    I'm partial to the Polish Arabs. They have been bred to be strong and athletic. In my experience with them they have strong minds as well.
                    Melanie Pritchett
                    http://www.thornehillfarms.com
                    Section B Welsh Ponies & Sport Crosses

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by Lafeyarabian View Post
                      Looking at stallions who did well at the arabian sporthorse nationals is a great place to start, but you might want to also look at stallions who have done well in endurance especially since you said that you plan to do a little eventing. I bred to an endurance stallion named Sanskrit 3 times even though I ride dressage. Even though a horse isn't shown in a particular discipline it doesn't mean he doesn't have the talent for it. He is amazing! He's 16H, grey, and has gaits to die for. I'm also partial to a dressage stallion named Kharbon Kopy.


                      I'm with you..... I LOVE Kharbon Kopy. GREAT canter! (Also love Sonesta's list.....Klint Black is a lovely, ccorrect horse, and NV Beau Bey is siring some really wonderful, useable horses....again, lots of good canters. (I guess I'm really sensitive to this, as I've seen plenty of people gush over Arab stallions with great trots -- but many have canters that are notably lacking.....)
                      Cold Spring Farm
                      German and Arabian-related GOV sporthorses

                      https://www.facebook.com/groups/426884770673419/

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                      • #12
                        Check out Peron's Brilliance in the ATA auction.
                        www.oakhollowstable.blogspot.com

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by arabdressage View Post
                          As a half-arab sporthorse breeder, I personally love the Polish lines over Crabbet... lots of bone, often more height than Crabbet, and just an overall "look" that I adore.

                          There are certainly some fantastic Polish stallions out there and the OP may well find what she's looking for in a stallion of Polish bloodlines, but it's important to realize that "Crabbet" doesn't just mean *Raffles type. (Just like Polish doesn't just mean *Bask, nor is it limited to one "look") Although my own program is focused on CMK bloodlines, I believe that there are some lovely sport horse types among most bloodlines.

                          There are a variety of phenotypes within the Crabbet*and CMK (Crabbet-Maynesboro-Kellogg) bloodlines groups and some of them are tall leggy and with lots of bone. [*most of the time people speak of "Crabbet" they aren't talking about straight Crabbets--there really aren't very many 100% Crabbet line horses in the US]

                          Crabbet-Polish line crosses are also often quite nice.

                          Within the CMK/Crabbet groups Oran/Rissalix blends are often extraordinary sport horses with height, bone, and outstanding movement. One such horse represented the UK in international competition in the 1970's. Here are my two fillies that are heavily influenced by Oran and Rissalix pedigree elements:
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                          Dawn Jones-Low
                          Faerie Court Farm
                          facebook page

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by Oakstable View Post
                            Check out Peron's Brilliance in the ATA auction.

                            Lovely stallion.

                            BTW, his Arabian dam's bloodlines are a blend of Russian, CMK/Crabbet, and Polish.

                            For more options, here's a farm that has been producing purebred and partbred Arabians for eventing, show jumping, and dressage using their Egyptian stallions
                            http://www.larapintasporthorses.com/

                            and if you happen to be in Michigan, there is a spectacular stallion, HCC Zarmaro, who has sired mostly Anglo Arabs:
                            http://www.rtm-anglo-arabs.com/contact_us.html (he's 26, but I think he's still siring--he has registered get from 2006)
                            Dawn Jones-Low
                            Faerie Court Farm
                            facebook page

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                            • #15
                              http://www.vangilderarabians.com/

                              http://www.angelfire.com/bc3/fairviewstud/

                              http://cmkarabians.com/newalbion/

                              http://www.pegasuspark.com/

                              http://www.belesemo.com/

                              http://www.sagehillcmk.com/home.html

                              http://www.zephyrarabians.com

                              http://www.ironhorsefarmsporthorses.com/

                              That should get you started .
                              Still Crazy After All These Years

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                              • #16
                                Originally posted by Lafeyarabian View Post
                                Looking at stallions who did well at the arabian sporthorse nationals is a great place to start, but you might want to also look at stallions who have done well in endurance especially since you said that you plan to do a little eventing. I bred to an endurance stallion named Sanskrit 3 times even though I ride dressage. Even though a horse isn't shown in a particular discipline it doesn't mean he doesn't have the talent for it. He is amazing! He's 16H, grey, and has gaits to die for. I'm also partial to a dressage stallion named Kharbon Kopy.
                                Thats why you look up how all the ones who are winning at, say upper level dressage are bred, even the mares and geldings, find out if their sire/grandsires are still breeding and look up their siring records to see what areas they have been proven successful. Data Source will tell you about foals who have done well in endurance and on the track as well as in the show ring. I tend not to pick stallions by the owner's advertising budgets, I go by results, which stallions have proven themselves.

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                                • #17
                                  got canter?

                                  Great list, Astraled :-)
                                  (it will also be useful for restoring all the bookmarks I lost when my browser crashed)

                                  Cold Spring Farm,
                                  as for good Arabian canters here are a few (the first two are the same horse at different ages):
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                                  Dawn Jones-Low
                                  Faerie Court Farm
                                  facebook page

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                                  • #18
                                    Hmm, well there used to be an arabian stallion owned by some people in our area, he has since passed on but they may have frozen semen. His name was Soldat, 16 hh bey shah son. Big bone. I doubt any other arab stallion has sired more half arab national champions in halter and sport horse classes. He crossed extremely well with tb mares. He also had alot of chrome, if you are into that thing. He is the sire of the AHA horse of the year Soleya as well.
                                    http://secure.arabianhorses.org/apps...essrel&prid=16
                                    http://www.toddehret.com/Sales%20Lis...0Dressage.html
                                    Do a search and you should come up with more.
                                    I used to work at the barn of Todd Ehret...he is really successful in the arab sport horse world, and he used to get ALOT of Soldats coming through..all of them were very talented horses..especially the partbreds. Hot though.

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                                    • #19
                                      Originally posted by chicki View Post
                                      Hmm, well there used to be an arabian stallion owned by some people in our area, he has since passed on but they may have frozen semen. His name was Soldat, 16 hh bey shah son. Big bone. I doubt any other arab stallion has sired more half arab national champions in halter and sport horse classes. He crossed extremely well with tb mares. He also had alot of chrome, if you are into that thing. He is the sire of the AHA horse of the year Soleya as well.
                                      http://secure.arabianhorses.org/apps...essrel&prid=16
                                      http://www.toddehret.com/Sales%20Lis...0Dressage.html
                                      Do a search and you should come up with more.
                                      I used to work at the barn of Todd Ehret...he is really successful in the arab sport horse world, and he used to get ALOT of Soldats coming through..all of them were very talented horses..especially the partbreds. Hot though.
                                      There is - Showkayce, I believe. But Soldat was an incredible horse, and sired many, many National winners in halter, performance, and sporthorse classes. You'll find a lot of folks that malign Bey Shah (not me! but some) - but the results speak for themselves. Horses with line after line after line to Bey Shah have been successful at SHN.

                                      If I were breeding for a sporthorse, there are a few stallions I would look at (I wouldn't pick CMK horses in general but that is not the look I prefer, either. Different strokes for different folks!)

                                      Klint Black
                                      Bremervale Andronicus (or his half brother, Rahere - he is not a sporthorse but I can see the horse definitely siring SHs)
                                      Showkayce
                                      Concensus
                                      Kharbon Khopy

                                      Cal Dorado has sired lots of successful dressage horses too. Hilda Gurney's H/A mare is by him.

                                      Also, if you want to check up on sweepstakes nominated sires of SH offspring - there is a section on the arabianhorses.org site where you can pull up any sweeps nominated stallion and what ALL of their offspring have won points in (so if they've had foals with 1000 points collectively in Dressage but only 5 points in working hunter, and 100 points in halter, you can get an idea of what they're siring based on the points earned).

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                                      • #20
                                        Originally posted by chicki View Post
                                        Hmm, well there used to be an arabian stallion owned by some people in our area, he has since passed on but they may have frozen semen. His name was Soldat, 16 hh bey shah son. Big bone. I doubt any other arab stallion has sired more half arab national champions in halter and sport horse classes. He crossed extremely well with tb mares. He also had alot of chrome, if you are into that thing. He is the sire of the AHA horse of the year Soleya as well.
                                        http://secure.arabianhorses.org/apps...essrel&prid=16
                                        http://www.toddehret.com/Sales%20Lis...0Dressage.html
                                        Do a search and you should come up with more.
                                        I used to work at the barn of Todd Ehret...he is really successful in the arab sport horse world, and he used to get ALOT of Soldats coming through..all of them were very talented horses..especially the partbreds. Hot though.
                                        There is - Showkayce, I believe. But Soldat was an incredible horse, and sired many, many National winners in halter, performance, and sporthorse classes. You'll find a lot of folks that malign Bey Shah (not me! but some) - but the results speak for themselves. Horses with line after line after line to Bey Shah have been successful at SHN.

                                        If I were breeding for a sporthorse, there are a few stallions I would look at (I wouldn't pick CMK horses in general but that is not the look I prefer, either. Different strokes for different folks!)

                                        Klint Black
                                        Bremervale Andronicus (or his half brother, Rahere - he is not a sporthorse but I can see the horse definitely siring SHs)
                                        Showkayce
                                        Concensus
                                        Kharbon Khopy

                                        Cal Dorado has sired lots of successful dressage horses too. Hilda Gurney's H/A mare is by him.

                                        Also, if you want to check up on sweepstakes nominated sires of SH offspring - there is a section on the arabianhorses.org site where you can pull up any sweeps nominated stallion and what ALL of their offspring have won points in (so if they've had foals with 1000 points collectively in Dressage but only 5 points in working hunter, and 100 points in halter, you can get an idea of what they're siring based on the points earned).

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