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Colman: Holsteiner Stallion. Experience with offspring?

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  • Colman: Holsteiner Stallion. Experience with offspring?

    Has anyone ever bred to Colman (Carthago/Lord/MarlonXX)? Or imported offspring by him? I think he is fabulous and would make a great hunter sire. . . I love every one I have seen a video of. . . super canters, attractive types, great jumping technique.
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    I saw him some years back and several offspring too. His offspring were uniform and very nice. Last year I asked on this board about him and got zero responses, so I would guess he is just not the flavor of the day. He has lovely licensed sons too.
    Anne
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    • #3
      You might want to go to the continental studbook website and post on their forum. I bet you will get some response there.
      "Sometimes you just have to shut up and color."

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      • #4
        He is a really nice horse and a great producer. He is well liked in Germany. I have met him and many of his young stock. Not necessarily one that I would consider a hunter sire, but, for sure, a great jumper sire.

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          #5
          Interesting - why not a hunter sire? He has one hunter over here that is top 10 in the nation, and apparently an approved stallion of his (Connell Quainton) was just gelded and sold to USA as a hunter. . .Not saying he is not a fabulous jumper sire (he is) but think he would also make great hunters - much like Cassini I and II do

          What would you all think about breeding him to a TB? a quiet, big, uphill one with great canter. . .
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          • #6
            Sometimes you just get a hunter when you aren't breeding for it and sometimes you don't get a hunter when you are. There are so many Colman offspring out there that I suspect it was a fluke thing rather than something that he produces consistently. We were just at the farm of Colman's owner in November and probably looked at 40 or so of his offspring in the ring. Our trainer in Germany also has several at any given time. I didn't see any that caught my eye as a hunter prospect but quite a few really nice jumper prospects.

            Colman - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yxkNa...eature=related

            http://www.hengststation-voelz.de/he...man/index.html

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            • #7
              If you are looking for a Holsteiner stallion for your TB mare, I would probably go with Cabardino.

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                #8
                I couldnt agree with you more!!!! But I am in love with Colman offspring and would be happy with a nice horse that could go to either ring - and I have a choice of 2 mares. One is a Holsteiner mare imported as a high amateur jumper who was injured and is now a broodmare. The other is the TB who I am putting on the Euro plan - breed once or twice and then make into a riding horse. The Holsteiner mare pedigree is below - she is hot, careful, average size and build. I'd look to get an amateur/junior type jumper out of her, maybe a bit more size, even more quality canter.

                http://www.allbreedpedigree.com/obse...vit+ruytershof

                The TB pedigree is here. . .
                http://www.pedigreequery.com/angle+dreams

                Picture is here. . .
                http://www2.snapfish.com/thumbnailsh...NAME=snapfish/
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                • #9
                  I agree with showjumper66. I too have seen a lot of Colman offspring in Germany and most strike me as outstanding jumpers, but it is important to consider the mare base there also. We have a very special Caretino/Landgraf/Capitol mare in foal to him for next year in Germany.

                  Along the lines of Holsteiner hunter stallions I wanted to also mention Chaleon. He is another with a lot of strong jumper bloodlines that has been successful in both the hunter and jumper rings. John French rode him in the hunters and recently amateur owner, Jami Jensen, has ridden him to wins in the 1.30m and 1.35m jumpers.

                  Offspring from Chaleon's first foal crop are now 6 and really shining in the ring. I recently had the opportunity to see a number of his offspring compete at the summer series in Colorado. One of my favorites was a 6 year old gelding, Chico, that we bred. Will Roberts rode him to Championships in the First Year Greens at Ocala several weeks earlier this spring. He was Champion in the same division in CO and also showed his first time in the Hunter Derby with scores in the high 80s without the 10 bonus points he recieved from both judging teams.

                  Also a picture of a filly from this year I bred out of a TB mare.
                  Attached Files
                  www.crookedwillowfarms.com. Home of Chaleon, Acord III, and Crown Heartbreaker.

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                    #10
                    As they say, a picture is worth a thousand words. Those pictures sure make a persuasive argument for Chaleon!! Both are fabulous!
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                    • #11
                      Just wanted to bump this back up to see if anyone has experience with his frozen semen, or offspring.

                      Any specific types, traits or pedigrees that he should not be used on?
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                      • #12
                        Not a good plan to breed the Holsteiner mare to Colman...doubling up on Carthago I have heard can make for a horse missing a few marbles in a not so good way. ne1 and Bayhawk can give advice about specific stamms and stallions that would cross well with this mare. Are you breeding both mares or trying to decide which one to breed? If trying to choose, definitely go with the Holsteiner she is quite well bred...just get some good solid researched advice to help you get to your goal.

                        WHOOPS!!! didn't realize OP was back in '09!
                        Last edited by JumpinBeans81; Mar. 15, 2011, 03:10 AM. Reason: typo

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                        • #13
                          We don't do double Carthago.

                          and I second Chaleon as a consideration.

                          furthermore, Colman requires mares with good hind leg confirmation. He seems to be good everywhere else.

                          Tim
                          Sparling Rock Holsteiners
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                          • #14
                            I'm planning on using him on my Ariadus-Cheenook-Blitzwind mare this year. I've been dying to add Carthago blood to the program and I want to add Capitol blood to this particular mare. Her pedigree is here: http://www.paardenfokken.nl/pedigree.php?horseid=254964

                            Would be curious to hear comments on this potential cross from the Holsteiner boys
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                            • #15
                              The blood works fine but this mare is more dressage bred. Colman more than likely isn't going to make a dressage horse.

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                              • #16
                                Originally posted by Bayhawk View Post
                                The blood works fine but this mare is more dressage bred. Colman more than likely isn't going to make a dressage horse.
                                Thanks Reece, but I wouldn't agree with the mare being dressage bred. Multi-purpose, yes, but not dressage bred. Ariadus is clearly a H/J sire and while Cheenook competed in dressage, his versatility shines with offspring at the top levels of both sports plus the hunter ring here in the US. And the mother line, while made illustrious for dressage production by Hilda Gurney, Hilda will be the first to tell you that the motherline also throws jump.

                                But yes, the mare could go dressage if I bred her in that direction, but per my trainer, the mare is scopey and careful with good technique. The Colman is most definitely meant for the jumper ring.
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                                • #17
                                  Originally posted by baywithchrome2 View Post
                                  Thanks Reece, but I wouldn't agree with the mare being dressage bred. Multi-purpose, yes, but not dressage bred. Ariadus is clearly a H/J sire and while Cheenook competed in dressage, his versatility shines with offspring at the top levels of both sports plus the hunter ring here in the US. And the mother line, while made illustrious for dressage production by Hilda Gurney, Hilda will be the first to tell you that the motherline also throws jump.

                                  But yes, the mare could go dressage if I bred her in that direction, but per my trainer, the mare is scopey and careful with good technique. The Colman is most definitely meant for the jumper ring.
                                  Good. You can understand my dressage comment with Cheenook and Hilda Gurney horses present in the motherline ?

                                  You may get a dressage prospect anyway with Colman being out of a Lord / Marlon xx mother. Lots of folks don't know but Lord was the 5th ranked dressage sire in the world when he died and Marlon xx was an prepotent dressage producer. Good luck !

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                                  • #18
                                    Reece, I most certainly do! I still enjoy watching old videos of Cheenook in the dressage ring, and Hilda Gurney certainly has built a dynasty on this mare line with her breeding program, which included Cheenook back when he was available. In fact, I'd say her dedication and vigilance with breeding this motherline would make a Holsteiner breeder proud

                                    I did not know that about Marlon xx, so thank you! I've also heard that you don't want to double up on Marlon too close in a pedigree. Is this true and if so, what problems does it cause?
                                    www.avenir-farm.com

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                                    • #19
                                      Originally posted by baywithchrome2 View Post
                                      Reece, I most certainly do! I still enjoy watching old videos of Cheenook in the dressage ring, and Hilda Gurney certainly has built a dynasty on this mare line with her breeding program, which included Cheenook back when he was available. In fact, I'd say her dedication and vigilance with breeding this motherline would make a Holsteiner breeder proud

                                      I did not know that about Marlon xx, so thank you! I've also heard that you don't want to double up on Marlon too close in a pedigree. Is this true and if so, what problems does it cause?
                                      Not true at all. I know many horses with double Marlon xx in the pedigree. Can't get him up close anymore anyway. Alot of great Holsteiners have him in the pedigree , even Cassini.

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                                      • #20
                                        Originally posted by Bayhawk View Post
                                        Not true at all. I know many horses with double Marlon xx in the pedigree. Can't get him up close anymore anyway. Alot of great Holsteiners have him in the pedigree , even Cassini.
                                        Excellent to know! Thank you
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