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  • Foals and Black Bears????????

    There apparently has been a 30% increase in the black bear population in Fauquier Country in Virginia, and we have a resident bear or bears. As recent as last Friday night a neighbor saw one walking into our driveway from across the private road at 11 PM.. I have seen a female with 2 cubs at our 'late' bird feeder at 4:30 AM. To make a long story short, I was just warned that bears will kill foals!! Yikes, and I am planning on breeding next year!! The increase in the population is frightenng. I love wildlife as much as anyone, how couldn't I, having traveled through the Canadian Rockies every summer with my family as a child, but, now it may be getting a little scarey!!
    It appears they can be around at any time of the day so I wonder how safe the horses are in their pastures and stables.

    Anyone have any reports of black bear and horses??
    Last edited by talloaks; Aug. 10, 2009, 05:29 PM. Reason: typo
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  • #2
    It's not surprising but you definitely need to keep an eye out. If you don't have some sort of bear deterrent, get something.
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    • #3
      I live right down the road from the Great Dismal Swamp Reserve and we have tons of black bears around here. My husband hit one with his car last Fall just outside our farm's driveway..bear made out Ok but the car had $4000 damage. I saw a mother bear and her cubs the year before that just down from our farm...they were quite afraid of me and not interested in being out in the open. I've never seen on our property...just close.

      So far we've had no trouble at all with bears. I have a lot of foals here also and they live out all Spring and Summer. All my horses live out so in the Fall the weanlings also stay out with perhaps a babysitter. I do have electric fences but I'd be surprised if they bother a hairy old bear much.

      I'd not worry too much. Just try to keep your trash well secured and don't attract them to your farm. Your horses are probably safe and more at risk from lose dogs.

      I do recall a trim client telling me that a bear got in her pasture once and her horses bolted through the fence and got loose. She has high tensile fence...two strands of it and not much of a barrier for any critter much less a bear. The bear was not after the horses but just passing through. Another person I know says that bears come down to the cornfield to eat near her farm but never bother her horses either. They sit on their deck in the evening and watch the bears eat corn. That's a bit more bear closeness than I'd like but they seem to enjoy the spectacle.

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      • #4
        we have a LOT of bears here in BC. Never been a problem with the horses or foals. The horses chase them actually. Cougars on the other hand..... That's when I worry.

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        • #5
          Originally posted by cheekyhorse View Post
          we have a LOT of bears here in BC. Never been a problem with the horses or foals. The horses chase them actually. Cougars on the other hand..... That's when I worry.


          Yup another BC or used to be resident. Bears dont eat horses. The only horse that would be in danger would be one who bothered cubs but horses are much smarter than humans obviously. They know better. I have watched the bears pass by the horses to get a drink from the trough in a severe drought. I have come face to face with them via horseback 1000's of times and the poor bears almost had heart attacks.

          The only thing to worry about with bears are rumors. I had one pass through here just the other day and no one lifted there head. I will admit though, bears in the south are different. They always get run over here. In 45 years, I never saw a bear hit in Canada hehehehehe less traffic LOL.

          Now, just dont feed the bear. Bears are garbage eaters, they dont kill to eat, the scavenge. Keep the garbage up, the cat food up, barbeque put away and maybe you will have a lovely visitor pass through quietly. Dont worry about the horses.
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          • #6
            I have bears down in the hollow by the brook. One year my horses were through the fences practically nightly, so I asked my farrier to hunt them. He found it was Mama and two cubs, so would not. The bears weren't actually DOING a thing. Just the smell set the horses off.

            Since then they've settled down about it, and while I hear them occasionally, and see lots of scat, (blueberries mostly! ) they haven't been a problem since.

            They do come out of the hollow in the fall for the apples. The horses might get to running and blowing rollers, but more because they *can* and have an *excuse* than anything else. They snort and blow and prance about for a bit, then settle. Meanwhile bear is still down there munching away on apples... <shrugs>

            I've had almost a dozen foals here. Bears are about the last thing I worry about.

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            • #7
              I had the same concern a couple of years ago when I was living in BC. I looked out my back window to see a bear chasing a cow and calf moose across the property behind mine! I called wildlife and talked to someone there in the know and expressed my serious concerns since I had a foal due in a few weeks. He told me that my horses would be fine. He said they will kill baby moose but the difference is the bear will chase the cow/calf at a distant until the calf is tired. Unlike horses he said the cow will abandon her calf when it can no longer keep up, a horse will stand their ground and defend he said. So hence the bears don't bother with them since they don't want to pick a fight and will look for easier prey. If it is a big concern I would try to make sure the foal was close to the house and turned out with other horses as soon as safely possible, there is something to be said for strength in numbers!
              Also, do you have a dog that would help "guard" the place? Even just barking and causing a commotion can alert you to a problem or scare the bear away.
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                I don't have a guard dog now. I have had a standard poodle who is mainly a house dog, who does bark at the bear--from inside the window--but does alert us when it (sow w/ little ones, or solitary bear, sex unknown!!) We have had the standard poodle since 2001 and prior to that for over 15 years we had Old English Mastiffs, one at a time, and they did stay outside a lot. That was quite some time ago and I know bear have always been around, but development has taken their natural habitats and forced them into our neighborhoods. The mastiffs were wonderful for keeping unwanted creatures out of our property, whether it was neighboring dogs, or coons or oppossums. May have to reconsider a Mastiff again. I have been saying to hubby that this is the "last dog"!! I may have to eat crow!!
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                • #9
                  We had a black bear sighting in the Md suburbs a while back when I had a youngster boarded at a friend's house. She was in a small herd headed by a big Belgian draft mare. I had no worries . . . :-)

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                  • #10
                    I wouldn't rule out the standard poodle as a guard dog. Have you ever let it out when the bear is there? We've had them for years and they can be quite vicious when guarding their farm. Some rather large visiting dogs learned that to their detriment one day and were lucky to escape with their lives!

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                    • #11
                      Living up in the North Cascade Mountains of Washington, I have ment a few bears on my driveway while riding( First time I was on a 3 year old of the track)..They are more affarid of the horses and people...NEVER had an issues, It is the coyotes and cougars..But we have 3 very large dogs that are aloud to run the property( Good Farm dogs are worth their weight in adoption fees!)...Lots a few cats but never an equine...But I do put my babies and mommas in at night.
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                      • #12
                        Bears are very very sensitive to electricity. Zoos are often able to keep bears apart with just strands of wire. If your horses are enclosed in something "hot", a bear would be unlikely to try to get through it......no matter how easy the meal appears.
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                        • #13
                          Last week a bear killed a foal in a paddock close to the house in my area. The foal was with it's mother. Next night the bear went to the neighbor's and killed several lambs. The DOW then killed the bear, a very large male, and are examining it to see if anything was wrong with it. This is not normal bear behavior.

                          In the same week in a different nearby town, a woman was killed inside her house by a bear. In this incident the attack was brought on by the woman because, going against several warnings and citations, she fed the bears dog food on her back porch. Now 14 bears are targeted for destruction because of this woman's actions. Two have been killed already. What a needless tragedy.
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                            Talloaks, I just had to scroll back to find your post. My mother was just walking her dog in the Dominion Valley neighborhood in Haymarket - very populated - and encountered a very large black bear! It just came sauntering from behind a house. All I can think of is the little kids that play outside in that neighborhood. Told her to call Animal Control and the neighborhood association. I live in Catlett - haven't seen one here yet.

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                              Originally posted by Mamare View Post
                              Talloaks, I just had to scroll back to find your post. My mother was just walking her dog in the Dominion Valley neighborhood in Haymarket - very populated - and encountered a very large black bear! It just came sauntering from behind a house. All I can think of is the little kids that play outside in that neighborhood. Told her to call Animal Control and the neighborhood association. I live in Catlett - haven't seen one here yet.
                              Oh my!!! I have friends who live there also!! Prior to all the subdivisions in the area, all of that land was probably bear territory since it runs right up to the Bull Run Mountains. It was mostly farm land too.

                              The bear in our neighborhood was active the other night. A neighbor kept a refrigerator in her garage for when she had extras from a birthday party or whatever. WELL--the bear got into the garage (don't know how) and turned over the frige and ate all the goodies!!! This neighbor is less than half a mile from my farm!!
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                              • #16
                                Originally posted by talloaks View Post
                                Oh my!!! I have friends who live there also!! Prior to all the subdivisions in the area, all of that land was probably bear territory since it runs right up to the Bull Run Mountains. It was mostly farm land too.

                                The bear in our neighborhood was active the other night. A neighbor kept a refrigerator in her garage for when she had extras from a birthday party or whatever. WELL--the bear got into the garage (don't know how) and turned over the frige and ate all the goodies!!! This neighbor is less than half a mile from my farm!!
                                I live down here between Roanoke and Lynchburg ( Smith Mountain Lake ) and I am eat up with Black Bears. I have Holsteiner foals every year and have never had an issue. Black Bears are mostly vegetarians.

                                My neighbor across the street had just baled a field of hay and there were round bales curing in the field. I was feeding one morning when the horses got a whiff and brought the bear to my attention. I guess he had been feeding somewhere and needed a nap so he climbed up on a round bale, flattened it out a bit and went to sleep ! Don't worry about the Black Bears. Just don't feed them and by all means stay away from a mom with cubs.

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                                • #17
                                  Given that bears do scavange for food, will they get any untoward ideas about my horses grain? My guys live out and are fed 2x a day outside. Of course, they gobble it right up like piggies, but... for reference, I'd like to know!
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                                  • #18
                                    Get rid of your bird feeder, that is an attractant (sorry to say as I like to feed birds too..)

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                                    • #19
                                      About 3 years ago a breeder that I worked for in Eastern ON had a black bear show up and hang around her farm about 2 weeks before her best Hano mare foaled. We notified the MNR (Ministry of Natural Resources) and they explained that it is common for black bears to follow closely to heavily pregnant moose (they can tell by their urine) in hopes of an easy feed from a newborn calf or a bad birth.
                                      They thought this "new neighbour" of the farm had probably caught a whiff of the mare they suggested keeping her under surveillance and within electric fence when turned out and to make sure she didn't foal outside, alone.
                                      Basically stuff most breeders with thousands of dollars into a foal would never consider anyway. In the end it turned out to be no big deal, after the colt was 2 weeks or so we never saw it again.

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                                      • #20
                                        hey didn't you have a thread on this last year or so?

                                        Anyway, playing your radio, rock music is best, the Rolling Stones or Coldplay or U2, will keep bears away. They are omnivours and will eat meat and berries and all, whatever is convenient. So if you have lots of berries and have had a lot of rain this summer, the bears won't probably wander into the barn or pastures in search of foals. But they will eat animals as well as berries.
                                        Lots of old "Outdoor Life" magazines had "real life" bear attacks on humans, usually deer hunters who wandered across a bear and got killed.
                                        And bears like dog meat, lots of old time hunters used hounds to hunt bears, and sometimes the bears killed one of the pack when "treed" so keep your dogs away from bears.
                                        And like the rangers used to tell us on the Appalachian trail, never get between a bear and her cub(s).

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