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Anyone every purchased a foal from an auction in Europe?

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  • Anyone every purchased a foal from an auction in Europe?

    I am still on the hunt for my perfect filly and have been perusing the internet looking. There is a Westfalen Elite foal auction coming up and there are some fillies in it that are interesting to me, both movement/type and bloodline-wise. Has anyone ever purchased a foal from the foal auctions in Europe? Is there an average price? Did you look at the foals in person first or buy off the video? How did the bidding process work? Just looking for some more general information!
    Thanks!
    PM me if you want to critique my picks!

  • #2
    Sillypony,
    there are more elite foal auctions coming up in Germany
    • Hanoverians, 35th Elite-Auction of Foals and broodmares, August 21 - 23, Verden
    http://www.hannoveraner.com/1572.html (Collection online, pix and video coming soon)
    • Oldenburger, Elite Foal-auction Friday, 28 -29 August, Vechta
    http://www.oldenburger-pferde.com/horses/index.php

    What exactly are you looking for ?? I know there are some more German breeders on this board... Maybe we can help to point you in the right direction...

    Brigitta

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    • #3
      I bought a filly at the 2007 Old Elite Foal Auction. I wanted to infuse some good bloodlines into my breeding program, and while my mares were getting older, they still had several breeding years left (or so I thought ), so I decided that I could afford a really good quality foal and wait, rather than just a "good" mare. I wanted jumping bloodlines not readily available here, so I picked out several that had my criteria.....filly, branded Old International, jumping lines, future broodmare potential! and call Holly. She watched the ones that I had picked and narrowed it down to two. I got the first one of those that came through and she had the big extra bonus of LOTS of chrome. The auction makes wire transfer pretty easy, and except for a scare with the plane (hit birds and had to make an emergency landing) she made it here in Dec '07. We just love her!

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      • #4
        Just out of curiosity, why do buyers here complain they cannot travel to see horses in the US and then buy online site unseen from an auction when presumably they do not have the benefit of even talking to the breeder on the phone or communicating by email in advance?

        (IHF's situation I get - because she was looking for otherwise unobtainable bloodlines for a breeding program).
        Roseknoll Sporthorses
        www.roseknoll.net

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        • #5
          I have purchased several fillies at Elite Foal Auctions over the years, with mixed results. I saw all the foals, but one, personally. The one I bid on over the phone, a friend of mine looked at during the auction. First, read all the fine print in the auction catalog, so you know the rules. With the Hanoverian foal auctions, you buy the foal, pay for it and then foal and dam return to the breeders until weaning time. At weaning, the foal must pass a simple vet exam prior to being shipped. This saved me from a disaster one time. At weaning a representative from the Verband looked at the foal and said it now had a club foot, and would not approve the foal. A veterinarian was brought in, who also would not approve the foal. I was given the choice of another foal from the breeder or receiving my money back. This is good service and smart PR.

          Remember, foals have not been x-rayed. Another time I bought 2 fillies and had them shipped home. At 10 months one exhibited lameness behind. She had such severe OCD in both stifles, that the surgery was unsuccessful. Very expensive, with lots of time and heartache. The other filly grew up, produced a lovely foal for me and went on to become a very successful hunter.

          One I purchased 3 years ago has become a lovely mare. She’s smart, sensitive in a good way, elastic and has a good work ethic. She’s a little smaller than I thought she would be, but a good package.

          Like IHF, we only buy fillies with bloodlines not easily available in NA. Plus they have to be better than the horses we are producing here. Those are hard to find.

          Good luck and know the rules.
          Judy
          Sylvan Farm~Breeding for Performance
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          • #6
            Well, I haven't and though I am definately not in the " buying in europe is evil camp) if I were looking for a top foal, I would look here. There are some really, truly quality foals that can be had here from top mares.

            If you are looking for something really different, unique bloodlines that cannot be had here or perhaps an upper level horse, I think europe is a good idea. Perhaps the Rubenstein filly going through the Hanoverian auction?? But honestly, if I were to buy a foal, I would look here first. There are some good ones (definately as good as the West auction foals as I did peruse those the other day).
            www.svhanoverians.com

            "Simple: Breeding,Training, Riding". Wolfram Wittig.

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              #7
              Thanks for all the replies. I HAVE been looking here in the US first. However, I am very picky. I'm looking for a top filly to bring up the levels of dressage and then later use for breeding so I want the bloodlines and movement. The best fillies seem to be retained by the breeders making them hard to come by. My other issue is height, as I would really like something with "bigger" genes (hopefully! I know it's a crap-shoot!) as I prefer a horse at least 16.2. I know the auctions are also a long shot but there are some fillies with interesting pedigrees, including the Rubinstein filly as well as a Vivaldi filly out of a full sister to Florencio. These are NOT bloodlines you could find here.

              Anyway, just looking for more general information. I am always keeping my ears open however. I know there are substantial costs but at the end you spend similar to what one would spend here in the US for a top filly.

              Maybe I need help finding the good ones that are for sale!

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              • #8
                Maybe I need help finding the good ones that are for sale!

                I have seen a few top fillies for sale but all are close to the 20 k range. If you are not looking for something impossible to get here, then these are probably more bang for your buck than the auction. It will be interesting to see, but even in this market I would doubt those really rare ones will go for less than 40 euro or so. Yeah, so again, if you are looking for something unattainable here..go to the auction. If not, I have a hard time believing you cannot find the quality you want here in all honesty. I am picky too, but there are a handful of fillies here that are def. world class.

                Just perusing some of the sites:

                http://www.hanoverian.org/listman/listings/l0111.shtml
                (suberb damline!)

                http://www.hanoverian.org/listman/li...mages/88_1.jpg

                http://www.equine.com/horses-for-sal...ad-709706.html
                (from same line as first filly)

                http://www.warmbloods-for-sale.com/H...32&UserID=9081
                ( not sure about damline)

                There are also some very nice fillies owned by some of the breeders that post here. I am unsure as to wether they are for sale, but I know there are some nice ones!
                www.svhanoverians.com

                "Simple: Breeding,Training, Riding". Wolfram Wittig.

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                • #9
                  I agree that there are some bloodlines that are almost impossible to come by here.... I've always dreamed of owning an Alabaster mare, he does not freeze well, so if I wanted one, I'd likely have to go to an auction (which doesn't look likely either in the near future -sigh-). There IS quality here, but I completly understand the need for the more rare bloodlines.


                  PS, Donella, I know that Don Frederico filly, and her dam who is absolutly exceptional

                  I think that top fillies are either retained, or snatched up real quick here, so you need to be really proactive in your search. It sounds like the OP has a very specific goal in mind, which is great! I saw go to the auctions, I've heard they are very exciting as well, even if your not there to buy!
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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by Sillypony View Post
                    I know there are substantial costs but at the end you spend similar to what one would spend here in the US for a top filly.
                    I have a mare that was purchased as a foal at the Elite Auction in Germany. She cost substantially more than top priced foals here. You have to compare apples to apples. The very best foals available here might be around 20K. A comparable foal in Germany will not be less than that, and may very well cost a whole lot more than that.
                    Roseknoll Sporthorses
                    www.roseknoll.net

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                    • #11
                      I think the purchase price on the average and slightly above average foals are less in Germany, but who in America wants to spend the money to import one of those? At the auctions, the really high quality foals can go for much more than the purchase price of similar quality foals here in America, and a nice foal with good breeding will get a good price there also. Then add on the cost to import. You can travel to quite a few farms in America for the same amount it costs for the importation, and you can narrow down your choices by viewing videos. Remember, those of us who are serious about breeding have imported high quality mares and fillies to use in our breeding programs for many years. I personally am on 5th generation fillies from my breeding program. We have access to top European stallions via frozen semen, and I feel we have some top (underused) stallions here also. The German judges on inspection tours say this year after year. Auctions are fun to go to, but like previous posters have said, know the rules and your risk exposure.
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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by MoSwanson View Post
                        I think the purchase price on the average and slightly above average foals are less in Germany, but who in America wants to spend the money to import one of those? .
                        I agree (and agree as well with the rest of your post).
                        Roseknoll Sporthorses
                        www.roseknoll.net

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                        • #13
                          Since you're not allowed to praise your own program on this BB, let me point the OP to Mo's breeding program. I think you will find top notch bloodlines there and for a price that will be much lower than what you would pay for comparable foals Europe.

                          I have produced a filly by Florencio and out of a Jazz mare in the past - very nice horse as another poster who bought her will probably tell you. Also, right now I have in my barn a tall, black filly by Sandro Hit with the dam by Contango and out of a full sister to Olympic Barbria. It really doesn't get much better than that.... :-) Ok, so I ended up bragging a little....

                          There are some very fine foals to be had in the US!
                          Siegi Belz
                          www.stalleuropa.com
                          2007 KWPN-NA Breeder of the Year
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                          • #14
                            My boss has imported quite a few foals from Europe, all of which were bought at auction, I do believe. However, they were not bought off of videos - he or his parents were there to see them in person. Most are coming 2 now and every one of them is quite amazing, I have to say. They're all extremely well bred and are really showing their quality already (of course not under saddle, but free jumping, etc). I can't wait until they're ready to be broke!
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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by siegi b. View Post
                              I have produced a filly by Florencio and out of a Jazz mare in the past - very nice horse as another poster who bought her will probably tell you. !
                              That's my Carrera S.E., age 2 now. Half-sister to Waterloo S.E., also bred by Siegi, who won the 4 y.o. USEF/Markel National Championship and will be competing in the 6 y.o. division this year. I found Carrera just a few miles from my farm after looking for over a year in Germany for a good Florencio baby. She was nicer than anything I saw in Germany, and is going to Hilltop next spring to be started by them and prepped for the FEI 4 y.o. classes the following year. I have had several GP riders contact *me* about possibly riding her in the future - she is that nice.
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                              • #16
                                Right, about $20K here for a top filly, maybe $25K, but that's hard to get. For the same quality in Germany, you would have to fork over something in ght $38K - $75K range - and you still have to ship her and pay for quarantine and more shipping to your farm.
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