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Welsh Pony Lines; What's Your Favorite?

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  • Welsh Pony Lines; What's Your Favorite?

    Loving the welsh lines and pedigrees like I do, for those of you that shop according to the pedigrees, what lines do you look for, and why?
    Randee Beckman ~Otteridge Farm, LLC (http://on.fb.me/1iJEqvR)~ Marketing Manager - The Clothes Horse & Jennifer Oliver Equine Insurance Specialist

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    Of course, I am not a Welsh expert, but since I breed for the hunter ring I usually see who is currently siring the winners. Looks like Empire's Power and Pengwyn and a few others are really dominating in terms of siring the winners right now. I also like to look beyond pedigree and really look at movement and jump. So many of the Welsh don't really have what the A hunter ring is looking for. I do the same thing with looking for a hunter sire when selecting a TB stallion. Pedigree is great, but movement and jump (and temperament) is soooo important to me.

    I would like to hear what Welsh lines other breeders feel have the best hunter movement.
    Chris
    Ladybug Hill--Hunters and Ponies
    WWSD? (what would Suerte do?)

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      I like the Benlea ponies!!
      Caution: Beware the Mare!!
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      • #4
        Rollingwoods!
        www.laurienberenson.com

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          #5
          Breeding based on Pedigree

          Breeding based on pedigree has always worked for me.

          Particular lines I like include Coed Coch, Downland, and old Farnley, to name a few.
          Randee Beckman ~Otteridge Farm, LLC (http://on.fb.me/1iJEqvR)~ Marketing Manager - The Clothes Horse & Jennifer Oliver Equine Insurance Specialist

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          • #6
            I agree with you VA bred. I grew up in the QH world where pedigrees have long been valued. I was so glad to see the USEF start to keep up with leading sires - even though many trainers and exhibitors are still not good about listing the breeding of their ponies or even keeping up with the registration papers. I have selected my breeding stock based on what I feel are proven hunter pony bloodlines - not necessarily in the hunter breeding classes, but more in the actual performance area. Along those lines, of course, one of my favorites is Carolina's Red Fox and the other descendents of Solway Master Bronze. I like the Downland breeding, Coed Coch, Findeln Blue Danube and Farnley Lustre. I have a Vida Blue daughter, a Red Fox daughter, two Benlea mares, two mares with Downland and Rhoson breeding and a GlanNant Mariner/Benlea Rambler granddaughter. I have two Red Fox colts that I plan to keep as breeding stallions and my older Benlea mare (granddaughter of Farnley Lustre and Coed Coch Ballog) just foaled a colt by Hidden Creek's Rain Fox that I will also probably retain as a future stallion
            prospect. My husband says I have way too many ponies! I definitely need to move back south to make life easier. Interesting topic - I look forward to hearing others replies!
            Quicksilver Farms, LLC
            "Welsh Hunter Ponies"
            Welsh Sec. B Stallions and
            Fancy Show Pony Prospects
            www.quicksilverponies.com

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              #7
              Originally posted by Ladybug Hill
              I would like to hear what Welsh lines other breeders feel have the best hunter movement.
              That sounds like a good discussion for another thread.

              What breeding lines do you like best?
              Randee Beckman ~Otteridge Farm, LLC (http://on.fb.me/1iJEqvR)~ Marketing Manager - The Clothes Horse & Jennifer Oliver Equine Insurance Specialist

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              • #8
                Originally posted by VirginiaBred
                That sounds like a good discussion for another thread.

                What breeding lines do you like best?
                VABred, can you explain the distinction? Assuming the ponies are being bred for hunters (maybe that's where I'm going wrong) are you drawing a distinction between movement and suitability for hunters, or between suitability for hunters and desirability for breeding? Thanks -- Jess

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                • #9
                  We have a collection of mares with very,very "old" Welsh and Riding Pony breeding.
                  The lines that have been proven in performance across many corners of the globe and over many years, with a genuine & traceable history.
                  In the 26 years or so of breeding ponies I have discovered that some lines are better on a dam's side and some better on a sire's side.
                  Not dissimilar to purpose breeding Thoroughbreds for racing (as an example).
                  Many lines in T/bred are very highly valued as broodmare sires to state the example further.
                  No one has yet mentioned the influential Keston Royal Ocassion* (x Downland Mandarin). A most significant sire in England and Australia and also in Europe -his blood highly valued among the successful Sport & jumping ponies.
                  The Riding Pony blood is also significant as it produces the 'breediness' in type, air up under the pony and the most extravagant of movement.
                  Again, this blood has to be carefully assessed and chosen for a purpose in mind. For me, ulimately it is for the ponies to be ridden.
                  To add, what makes a sire successful - is only on the merits of his offspring.
                  Ascot Stud Australia - Welsh & Riding Ponies
                  "Where breeding for success means everything"
                  Ascot Stud

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                    #10
                    VERY well said, Del, excellent!!! I totally agree.

                    Loved yout last line especially, " To add, what makes a sire successful - is only on the merits of his offspring."


                    JaGold, to answer you question, and speaking for myself, we try to cover all the areas you have mentioned (breeding for children to show, movement and future breeding potential). We are very discerning in our selections of mares and stallions, and the very best way (again, my opinion here) is to resort back to the tried and true proven lines. Your results from those breedings already have it in the genes, it's up to you to get them going on the rest.
                    Randee Beckman ~Otteridge Farm, LLC (http://on.fb.me/1iJEqvR)~ Marketing Manager - The Clothes Horse & Jennifer Oliver Equine Insurance Specialist

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                    • #11
                      Sounds relevant to this discussion

                      Originally posted by VirginiaBred
                      That sounds like a good discussion for another thread.

                      What breeding lines do you like best?

                      Ladybug is making the same point as you--if you are breeding for the traits that are desirable/ winning in the hunter ring.

                      Pedigree alone is not good enough for me. While it is high on the list-- the conf, movement, and most of all jumping style has to factor in. As a hunter pony-- if you win over the jumps-- you are the winner & thats what the customers want. Breeding something that jumps like a cow & as short strided as a dog-- but has a good pedigree would not be wise IMO. And also to factor in-- a good mind coming to the offspring... Even the BEST jumper can be a lunatic---so --breeding for the good mind is Utmost ==because if the little floppy kids can't ride them-- then deal breaker.
                      Windswept Stables-Specializing in Ponies
                      Sales, Breaking,Training,Showing, Stud Service

                      Home of 2008 Sire of Year Reserve Champion
                      Pony Hunter Breeding - Empires Power

                      www.EmpiresPower.com

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                      • #12
                        one of my favorites

                        If I could afford it, I would breed to Blue Rain in a heartbeat! Lovely performance babies with good minds.
                        Windswept Stables-Specializing in Ponies
                        Sales, Breaking,Training,Showing, Stud Service

                        Home of 2008 Sire of Year Reserve Champion
                        Pony Hunter Breeding - Empires Power

                        www.EmpiresPower.com

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by VirginiaBred
                          JaGold, to answer you question, and speaking for myself, we try to cover all the areas you have mentioned (breeding for children to show, movement and future breeding potential). We are very discerning in our selections of mares and stallions, and the very best way (again, my opinion here) is to resort back to the tried and true proven lines. Your results from those breedings already have it in the genes, it's up to you to get them going on the rest.
                          So the concept is aptitude for the hunters (the mind, the conformation, the physical ability) isn't enough -- that the pony should also come from lines known for their ability to reproduce those characteristics in future generations? That makes sense, especially for breeders who have a broader interest than the individual accomplishments of one pony. --Jess

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                            #14
                            JAGold, that's what the hard core breeders I know do, and you stated it very well. (can I interest you in a pony..........................? )
                            Randee Beckman ~Otteridge Farm, LLC (http://on.fb.me/1iJEqvR)~ Marketing Manager - The Clothes Horse & Jennifer Oliver Equine Insurance Specialist

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                            • #15
                              Va Bred--Do you have a website?
                              Windswept Stables-Specializing in Ponies
                              Sales, Breaking,Training,Showing, Stud Service

                              Home of 2008 Sire of Year Reserve Champion
                              Pony Hunter Breeding - Empires Power

                              www.EmpiresPower.com

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                              • #16
                                Originally posted by VirginiaBred
                                JAGold, that's what the hard core breeders I know do, and you stated it very well. (can I interest you in a pony..........................? )
                                I love the little devils but somehow one of my own doesn't quite fit into my grad-student lifestyle! Thanks for explaining, though -- there are parts of the horse world I know pretty well, and other parts, like breeding, where I'm totally lost!! --Jess

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                                  #17
                                  Windswept, no, but we should.......................

                                  You should come visit, you can't be too far away.
                                  Randee Beckman ~Otteridge Farm, LLC (http://on.fb.me/1iJEqvR)~ Marketing Manager - The Clothes Horse & Jennifer Oliver Equine Insurance Specialist

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                                  • #18
                                    I love anything with Farnley Lustre bloodlines.
                                    I also love Lord Elope blood lines... Sad you see them less and less!

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                                    • #19
                                      Va Bred -Where are you? would love to meet you.
                                      Breeding season has kept us busy--but soon should slow down.
                                      Would just love for you to stop by here too and meet Mr Power - Not a good cross for your TB's --but would just love for you to see him. Next time you go by Harrisonburg on 81--give a holler--we are just 5 minutes from exit 240 /Bridgewater College/ Mt Crawford. (Green Valley Bookfair exit)

                                      Website-- you should get one for sure. Great for selling those lovely ponies you are breeding. (And fun just for us COTH'ers to look at too)
                                      Windswept Stables-Specializing in Ponies
                                      Sales, Breaking,Training,Showing, Stud Service

                                      Home of 2008 Sire of Year Reserve Champion
                                      Pony Hunter Breeding - Empires Power

                                      www.EmpiresPower.com

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                                      • Original Poster

                                        #20
                                        Now he just might be a GREAT cross for my daughter's next green project...

                                        We are between Roanoke & Lynchburg, at the base of the Blue Ridge Mountains.

                                        Who did your website? (off subject, I realize)
                                        Randee Beckman ~Otteridge Farm, LLC (http://on.fb.me/1iJEqvR)~ Marketing Manager - The Clothes Horse & Jennifer Oliver Equine Insurance Specialist

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