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HB is one thing, what about the JB youngsters in the USA?

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  • HB is one thing, what about the JB youngsters in the USA?

    I notice that there is a 'dressage' track for youngsters to follow, with DB babies shown on the line and evaluated for type/movement/etc...

    HB is well-developed and has provided a market for young hunter bred horses, or others that while jumper-bred, still look the part (I have one!).

    But outside the Upperville ring, I had a conversation with a jumper breeder who'd brought young horses to do the line classes for experience, recognizing that his didn't fit the 'hunter type' idealized by the HB standard.

    Of course the proof is in the pudding, and jumpers don't jump till they are up and going--but the same could be said about hunters, or dressage horses.

    So why are the jumper-breds not evaluated in a multi-breed format at a nationally accessible level at horse shows such as is available for dressage and hunter breds?

    Wouldn't it provide an additonal and much needed platform for marketing jumper-bred youngsters, as well as letting them have the same opportunities for off farm exposure that their dressage and hunter bred peers get?

    Why stop at line classes? Why wait to start the YJ till they are 5? Why not sooner? In Europe, they have 3yos competing in freejumping chutes--many that are successful wind up being sold to Americans.

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    I breed jumpers, but end up showing them as youngsters either in HB or DSHB. I'm in it for the show experience for the horses, although we often end up doing quite well. I would absolutely love, love, love to have a some sort of free-jumping competition for 3 year olds, as I feel that when prepped appropriately it is far easier on the horse than under-saddle work at a young age. Sure, it isn't going to tell you if they are going to be successful with a rider, around a course, but you are going to get an idea of technique and mind-set. It would also be another avenue to get your horses seen and educate prospective buyers. I often have young horses nominated to the IJF, but IMHO what they ask of four year olds can be a bit much for most horses. For example, I have a four year old now, but the IJF show for our region is in August, and there is no way he is going to be able to jump a course at that height by that time. However, I am perhaps conservative in what I ask my horse to do, and often start them a little later, as well.
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      3 yo loose jumping classes are nice when used properly. But then money talks and you end up with some not so nice practices being used on youngsters.

      I had thought about taking my now 3yo filly through the series this year. She's very quick with great reflexes and a nice type, but then I saw all that was involved. I just don't want my filly jumping that much and training that hard at 3. And this is from someone who breaks them early.

      And it's easy to say, "Well I just want to go for the experience and a day out." That only lasts until it becomes a money making machine and you have what we have here now. Maybe that's my limited experience, but they certainly aren't using it here for a nice day out.

      I'd actually rather see nice under saddle classes at the end of their 3yo year and or some nice 70 or 80 meter beginner courses. Nothing fancy and no big money making scheme, just somewhere nice to get your horse used to different situations without going OTT.

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      • #4
        Great post. I have a 3 year old jumper babe just about to go off to be backed but then what? I agree there is no particular format here is the US designed for them - but taking them around to a show - any show - if good. However, what suggested above nice. I think Linda Allen has written about the problems faced in this country trying to bring up young jumpers.
        that said, I nominated my hunter baby early for the IJF (because I could) due to the fact that I liked their format a lot better than the IHF format - except that she isn't ready to be jumping 3' and 3'3" in her fourth year even if I wanted to give her the experience.
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        • #5
          I show my jumper in the hunter breeding and am always amazed at how well he does against hunters as his parents are grand prix jumpers. Good conformation is good conformation, but obviously shoulder slope and other things are different for a jumper and it would be nice to go against other jumpers in a class just for them. It's a long rode and I've just been taking him out since he was a 2 year old and doing the breeding classes to get him mileage at shows without putting any stress on his legs. I will probably do an under saddle class with him at the end of this summer (he's three) just for the experience. It gives me something to prepare him for and show him in without being tempted to push him too fast. My trainer laughs at the fact that I do the hunter breeding with him, but I figure he'll appreciate all the mileage when he has to start showing him as a four year old! He actually came to the last show and his comment when they walked over with his ribbons and prizes was "you get all that for doing this??" Yup!

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            The cynical part of me thinks that a division that almost always devolves into "feed and lead" regardless of discipline or breed might not be the best track for a good future jumper.

            But I always loved Rodney Jenkins advice on evaluating conformation for a jumper:

            How do you tell if a horse has good conformation to be a jumper? Put the tack on and start raising the fences!
            Your crazy is showing. You might want to tuck that back in.

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            • #7
              Our straw guy just had his filly come back to him from "loose jump training". To be honest I was shocked he did something like this with her anyway as the last time I saw her in March she was a huge, but very gangly and immature 3yo filly. But also one that would take your eye. She was a stunning filly that when all was said and done, would have been amazing. She is by VDL Arkansas out of a Crosstown Dancer mare. It was shortly after I saw her that she went off for her training.

              She just got back last week after not qualifying for the finals. She now has 2 huge hind legs and marks from all the times she was poled. She's not broken and I think she may end up here for breaking as he wants her sold. She's been through all that and now we have to convince her being ridden is the fun part! Obviously, we advised the rest of the summer turned out on grass, but who knows. Apparently now she's all wound up and goofy - you don't say.

              So I'm glad in the end I decided the rumors were to be believed and why I'm not putting any of my youngsters through this nonsense to make a few bucks when the horse is 3. My 3 yo filly is quite happy bopping around with me on her back learning the basics and learning at this age, things are to be fun and enjoyable.

              So I'd think long and hard about the loose jumping promoting your youngsters. Like I said above, for most it's not a nice day out.

              Terri
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              • #8
                I WAIT until they are ready!

                I breed a few Jumper babies here and there. I am at a loss as to how to market them, myself, as most people looking for jumpers (or Hunters, for that matter,) want them already jumping, with their "swaps," by the time they are 2. REALLY...I have had people call and ask if a two year old has their "SWAPS..." is that not just totally INSANE!!!!!!!!!!


                I always reply that my two year olds are just out in the pasture being babies, and the people never call me back (THANK GOD!) I am breeding serious jumper bloodlines. I would just assume hold onto them, get them started correctly as three or even four year olds, depending on their individual maturity, and wait until they are ready to be really ridden before I even attempt to sell them to that particular mentality!!!!

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