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  • #61
    http://www.lonetreefarm.net/stallions.htm

    This is a full RID! His foals are too young to judge but his temperment is grand and his babies have those looks and that temperment so far! I keep my horses at this barn and have no vested interest in Liam!
    Steph

    http://community.webshots.com/user/stephanne014

    Rerider/Haydunker Clique

    RIP Barbaro, you were my hero!

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    • #62
      Someone may have said this before but why not aberjack?

      http://www.tamarackhill.com/Stallions/aberjack.htm I know some of his foals and they are lovely horses. . . The grey they have on their website is a cuttie too.

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      • #63
        Originally posted by Gunnar View Post
        http://www.lonetreefarm.net/stallions.htm

        This is a full RID! His foals are too young to judge but his temperment is grand and his babies have those looks and that temperment so far! I keep my horses at this barn and have no vested interest in Liam!
        But why, if you're looking to breed an Advanced eventer, would you breed to a full RID?

        You need more than a half-bred to make it to Advanced. Yes, there are exceptions, like Horton's Point, who Mark Todd rode to victory at Badminton in the 1990s. But they are the exception.

        Most horses at top level are 3/4 or 7/8 or full TB. Even 3/4 breds are less common at top level (Caroline Powell's Lenamore is an exception).

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        • #64
          Originally posted by stoicfish View Post
          So as your looking for a stallion, is it that easy to dismiss any stallion, just based on breed?
          Yes, if you are trying to breed a horse with a specific ability out of a specific type of mare, which in this case would be an Advanced eventer out of a TB mare.

          There will always be exceptions, the unusual cross that makes it to the top, but that's not your goal when you're purpose-breeding for something.

          Tamarillo, the great mostly-Arab event horse is an example of a purpose-bred horse of unusual breeding. But his Arab lines are quite specific to produce what he is and his TB blood was carefully chosen. He is the product of a breeding program that bred him for eventing. Most Arabs are not bred like this.

          You're not going to get your next Tamarillo out of any old Arab.

          If an unusually-bred stallion has a track record of producing Advanced eventers out of TB mares, than by all means breed to him. It doesn't matter if he has 3 legs and a fish eye and barks like a dog -- if he produces what you're looking for.

          Originally posted by stoicfish View Post
          And moreover it seems that a top level eventing horse it more about the individual horse, and training so what are the chances of any one cross creating that top level horse?
          The top eventing stallions consistently produce top eventers. To name a few in the UK/Ireland: Welton Crackerjack, Welton Apollo, Catherston Dazzler, Rock King, Jumbo, Cavalier Royale, Master Imp. Each one of these had mare types he'd match best with.

          And yes, once the foal is on the ground, it's not just a magic carpet ride to success. But a good breeder knows this and puts their youngsters in the right programs. It's not just coincidence that these horses are successful.

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          • #65
            You have a world of choices.....

            I have an Aberjack mare. I knew the dam well (and have three off spring from her). Aberjack did stamp his head on my mare and added a bit of substance. She is now going Prelim doing well. Very ridable mare. He does cross well on the TBs.

            I just bred her half sister (who is a full TB) to Escudo I (at my trainer's suggestion...a **** level rider/trainer and one who has bred several of his own horses).

            http://www.superiorequinesires.com/s...s/escudo_i.htm

            He really suited her and is throwing good movers and jumpers. His frozen was outstanding....85% mobility and LOTs of little swimmers. I'll find out next week if my mare caught. Bonus is that he is apparently getting very popular with the show hunters....so if the foal doesn't want to be an eventer...that may be a potential other market. I got my semen from classic sires (http://www.lucchettiranch.com/) and I believe they have some in stock.

            Another one that made my top list was Jaguar Mail http://www.frenchstallions.org/frenc...allion=2007009

            He has a lot of blood, good movement...and obviously the jump.



            A friend has a new Royal Appereance colt who looks very nice out of a mare similar to yours. http://www.equine.vt.edu/stallions/royalappearance.html

            He doesn't have a lot of foals on the ground but one is already competiting at the Advanced level with Clark Montgomery....and he does have the pedigree to produce good eventers. He is a bit heavier than I like but I do think would cross well with TBs.


            Really....you have so many choices and any of them would be a good choice. The dam is a lovely looking girl and I bet would nick well with many boys out there. The UL eventers that *I* have talked too are not against breeding to warmbloods. Off the top of my head I know several half WB/half TBs that are doing the upper levels successfully. Critical Decision is half dutch (by Consul). Belmont (just easily won the CIC*** at Jersey Fresh and was 5th at Fair Hill CCI***) is also half dutch. And those are just the two that I can quickly think of.....So you have a lot of choices and given the importance of movement and jump....the right warmblood crossed with the right TB could really produce and outstanding potential eventer.

            There are also very few eventing stallions who have proven themselves with the new format. I specifically asked several breeders of eventers (breeding for UL eventers) whose opinions I respect, whether I should be looking at "eventing" stallions. All of them told me no....given today's format, they are all breeding more to "dressage" or "jumper" producing stallions. Most actually want Jumper stallions who still throw good movement.
            Last edited by bornfreenowexpensive; May. 20, 2009, 02:26 PM.
            ** Tact is the ability to tell someone to go to hell in such a way that they look forward to the trip. ~Winston Churchill? **

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            • #66
              Originally posted by Fred View Post
              Another horse I love and think the OP should look at is Miner's Lamp. Is there frozen available for him?
              I just happened to be speaking to Christine this morning, and we discussed Miner's Lamp - his frozen is in very limited supply since he died (and EMCO is sold out of their stock). She said there is a possibility of bringing more over on a prepaid basis but that IF she is able to acquire any more, doses would be very limited indeed.
              Liz
              Ainninn House Stud
              Irish Draughts and Connemaras
              Co. Westmeath, Ireland

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              • #67
                Originally posted by JER View Post
                But why, if you're looking to breed an Advanced eventer, would you breed to a full RID?

                You need more than a half-bred to make it to Advanced. Yes, there are exceptions, like Horton's Point, who Mark Todd rode to victory at Badminton in the 1990s. But they are the exception.

                Most horses at top level are 3/4 or 7/8 or full TB. Even 3/4 breds are less common at top level (Caroline Powell's Lenamore is an exception).
                How Irish is Mackinlaigh (sp?) I am no expert and was just offering up a nice stallion that i am familiar with!
                Steph

                http://community.webshots.com/user/stephanne014

                Rerider/Haydunker Clique

                RIP Barbaro, you were my hero!

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                • #68
                  Originally posted by bornfreenowexpensive View Post
                  Another one that made my top list was Jaguar Mail http://www.frenchstallions.org/frenc...allion=2007009
                  I like this stallion a lot. He produces nice eventers, too. I also liked his sire, Hand in Glove, a lot. A really outstanding TB.


                  (But he's off my list as my mare is a little too closely related to Hand in Glove. The resulting pedigree would make people squeamish!)

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                  • #69
                    Originally posted by Gunnar View Post
                    How Irish is Mackinlaigh (sp?) I am no expert and was just offering up a nice stallion that i am familiar with!
                    McKinlaigh is half RID by pedigree, slightly less in blood due to TB behind some of the RIDs (but McKinlaigh is a gelding unfortunately!).
                    Liz
                    Ainninn House Stud
                    Irish Draughts and Connemaras
                    Co. Westmeath, Ireland

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                    • #70
                      Originally posted by JER View Post
                      I like this stallion a lot. He produces nice eventers, too. I also liked his sire, Hand in Glove, a lot. A really outstanding TB.


                      (But he's off my list as my mare is a little too closely related to Hand in Glove. The resulting pedigree would make people squeamish!)

                      Yeah, I really really like him for an eventer as well.....and his TB lines actually nick well with my mare. There would be no line breeding with him at all in the first 5 generations (hard to do that with TBs now a days). My only issue is that my mare is tall and he is tall....so I might end up with one that needs a ladder to get on.

                      I think that I will end up breeding to him.....but I want to see a few more of his babies (there are a few breeders local to me who have bred to him for foals this year)....and see what my mare produces with Escudo as well.
                      ** Tact is the ability to tell someone to go to hell in such a way that they look forward to the trip. ~Winston Churchill? **

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                      • #71
                        I have a couple of queries about Jaguar Mail. Firstly he's very tall at 17.1 for an event sire. Most eventers are smaller, 16-16.2hh probably because smaller horses tend to stay sounder. Secondly he's covered over 1000 mares and is now 12 years old so his oldest offspring should be 7 yet he doesn't appear on any of the sire lists of winning 5, 6 and 7yo eventers. Perhaps there are good reasons for this but if I had the OPs mare I'd be more likely to choose a proven sire not one who has had many big books of mares with nothing yet to show for it.

                        Here is the full analysis of eventers that won points in 2008 in the UK and who sired them. Jaguar Mail is conspicuously absent.

                        ABBERJACK JACKSON ABBEY 7
                        ABBERJACK Total 7
                        ABDULLAH (USA) VINKA 31
                        ABDULLAH (USA) Total 31
                        ABERJACK SPRINGWATCH JACKANAPES 10
                        ABERJACK Total 10
                        ACCONDY CATHPAIR HIGH HOPES 25
                        FOREVER MHOR 25
                        BENROMACH 7
                        ICICLE 6
                        ACCONDY Total 63
                        ACHTERMANN BOURNE BELVEDERE 5
                        ACHTERMANN Total 5
                        ACROBAAT ACROLIANCE EMBREGTS 2
                        ACROBAAT Total 2
                        ACTINIUM TRIBAL LEADER 83
                        ACTINIUM Total 83
                        ALDATO LISMORE LAD 8
                        ALDATO Total 8
                        ALDATUS ODT FLYBY 29
                        ALDATUS Total 29
                        ALDATUS Z WHITESMITH LADY 5
                        ALDATUS Z Total 5
                        ALJANO ALGORITHM 19
                        ALJANO Total 19
                        ALPATUS KILKEE 43
                        ALPATUS Total 43
                        AMONG MEN MYSTIC PROMISE 8
                        AMONG MEN Total 8
                        ANDIAMO ULTIMATE QUEST 3
                        ANDIAMO Total 3
                        ANDRETTI THE RED LION 44
                        ANDRETTI Total 44
                        ANSHAN ANDROMAQUE 18
                        RUDYS PRIDE 4
                        ANSHAN Total 22
                        ANYTIME OLOA 20
                        ANYTIME Total 20
                        APPLEDORE CHEYENNE LAZY ACRES CRUSADER 20
                        APPLEDORE CHEYENNE Total 20
                        APPRAISAL BRADMOOR HIGHFLYER 2
                        APPRAISAL Total 2
                        ARGENTINUS LANDINA 8
                        ARGENTINUS Total 8
                        ARMSTRONG URBANUS II 46
                        ARMSTRONG Total 46
                        ASHFIELD MACTALLA TREWITHIAN BRACKEN 12
                        ASHFIELD MACTALLA Total 12
                        ATHLET Z IDEAL 1
                        ATHLET Z Total 1
                        ATRAF HEADS YOUR GRAY 9
                        ATRAF Total 9
                        BALLY SKIP MRS BROWN 1
                        BALLY SKIP Total 1
                        BANDMASTER SOUL SISTER 19
                        BANDMASTER Total 19
                        BANTRY BLUES BALLY ARD 20
                        BANTRY BLUES Total 20
                        BARNA GLEN BARNA B II 3
                        BARNA GLEN Total 3
                        BEAU DIAMOND WESTERN AMBASSADOR 75
                        BEAU DIAMOND Total 75
                        BIG SINK HOPE FLITTERBUZZ 14
                        BIG SINK HOPE Total 14
                        BIMSEY WAS EARLY ON 1
                        BIMSEY Total 1
                        BISHOP OF CASHEL HERMES IV 20
                        BISHOP OF CASHEL Total 20
                        BLURRED VISION SPOTLESS VISION 1
                        BLURRED VISION Total 1
                        BODEN PARK KILBREW MARISLAND VINCA 1
                        BODEN PARK KILBREW Total 1
                        BOLIVAR VENTURE CAPITAL NJ 28
                        BOLIVAR Total 28
                        BONNY PRINCE COOL DIAMOND 49
                        BONNY PRINCE Total 49
                        BOTANIC GRACE DARLING 1
                        BOTANIC Total 1
                        BRIGADIER LINDON WILL TOO DO 1
                        BRIGADIER LINDON Total 1
                        BROADSTONE LANDMARK ODT LAND VISION 96
                        BROADSTONE LANDMARK Total 96
                        BUSKHILL GUNNAR V11 AZERLEY BUSKER 2
                        BUSKHILL GUNNAR V11 Total 2
                        BUSKHILL GUNNER KIRKMOOR ST GEORGE 26
                        BUSKHILL GUNNER Total 26
                        CABDULA DU TILLARD NANKIN DES RUETTES 6
                        CABDULA DU TILLARD Total 6
                        CALEDONIAN BAY RUSHTON CHERRY OF GRESCHURCH 2
                        CALEDONIAN BAY Total 2
                        CANADIAN RIVER BUZZY BEE 3
                        CANADIAN RIVER Total 3
                        CAPTAIN CLOVER CAPTAIN BERTIE 1
                        CAPTAIN CLOVER Total 1
                        CARNAVAL DRUM CARNAVAL BOUNCER 15
                        CARNAVAL CLASSIC 7
                        CARNAVAL PRINCE II 28
                        CARNAVAL DRUM Total 50
                        CARNUTE REDESIGNED 97
                        CARNUTE Total 97
                        CAROLUS CAROLINUS 4
                        CAROLUS Total 4
                        CAROUSEL CIRCUS BOY 2
                        CAROUSEL Total 2
                        CARROLL HOUSE THREE SIXTY 5
                        CARROLL HOUSE Total 5
                        CARTHAGO Z CADOC Z 7
                        CARTHAGO Z Total 7
                        CARVALLO CAPITALL M 1
                        CARVALLO Total 1
                        CASSINI II UTOPIA 12
                        CASSINI II Total 12
                        CATHERSTON DAZZLER DAZZLING GEM 18
                        CATHERSTON DAZZLER Total 18
                        CATHERSTON LIBERATOR JESTERS LIBERTY 10
                        JUST A GIGGLE 17
                        LIBERAL LADY 15
                        THE EARL OF BELVEDERE 7
                        CATHERSTON LIBERATOR Total 49
                        CAVALIER ODT SECRET SPY 28
                        TOTALLY UNIQUE II 2
                        CAVALIER Total 30
                        CAVALIER ROYALE BALLINTOGHER BABE 16
                        BORLEAGH BEAU 16
                        CAVALIERS DREAM 26
                        CAVALIER ROYALE Total 58
                        CAVALIER TWO FOR JOY BITS N PIECES III 17
                        MOORES STREAM 45
                        CAVALIER TWO FOR JOY Total 62
                        CENTAUR FIRST CLASS MILLRACE EXPLORER 22
                        CENTAUR FIRST CLASS Total 22
                        CHACOA BALLYHOOLY 26
                        DIAMOND LODGE 11
                        MIRACLE CONTENDER NJ 41
                        CHACOA Total 78
                        CHAIRMAN CAUSE CELEBRE 1
                        GALLANT 9
                        CHAIRMAN Total 10
                        CHAMBER LOUGHSHORE COMEDY ACT 31
                        TOUCH OF SILVER 36
                        CHAMBER Total 67
                        CHAMBERLAINE MINIMEE 13
                        CHAMBERLAINE Total 13
                        CHASSEUR MARSTON HILL CHARMER 15
                        CHASSEUR Total 15
                        CHOACA STRICTLY BUSINESS IV 18
                        CHOACA Total 18
                        CHOCOLAT DE MEGURO OUR OPENING BID 1
                        CHOCOLAT DE MEGURO Total 1
                        CHUMBA WUMBA TWO TONE TRUTHWALL 7
                        CHUMBA WUMBA Total 7
                        CLASSIC BEE CLASSICAL 4
                        CLASSIC COUTURE 1
                        FOXWOOD CLASSIC 30
                        CLASSIC Total 35
                        CLASSIC CLICHE NEVER BE POOR AGAIN 1
                        CLASSIC CLICHE Total 1
                        CLERKENWELL BLATCHLEY BOY 7
                        CLERKENWELL Total 7
                        CLOVER MAN LEGACY FLIGHT 4
                        CLOVER MAN Total 4
                        CLOVER VALLEY FERNHILL TIGER VALLEY 8
                        CLOVER VALLEY Total 8
                        COEVERS DIAMOND BOY BRL THE GANGSTERS MOLL 1
                        SWITCHED ON 32
                        COEVERS DIAMOND BOY Total 33
                        COLIN DIAMOND CASTLE COUNTDOWN 39
                        IDENTITY CRISIS 2
                        COLIN DIAMOND Total 41
                        COLOURFIELD COLOUR ME RED 3
                        COLOURFIELD Total 3
                        COMEFAST KING TYLLABEG 7
                        COMEFAST KING Total 7
                        COMMADY OF ERRORS WORDSMITH 4
                        COMMADY OF ERRORS Total 4
                        COMPLIMENT COSMIC DANCER S 4
                        COMPLIMENT Total 4
                        CONCEPT TIGER BEACH 43
                        CONCEPT Total 43
                        CONDIOS FRENCESCA 3
                        GOOD STEP 5
                        STILO KONTIKA 51
                        CONDIOS Total 59
                        CONTENDER U ZERMIE 56 12
                        CONTENDER Total 12
                        CONVINCED DUSKY PINK 3
                        POETRY IN MOTION 2
                        CONVINCED Total 5
                        COOLCORRON COOL DIAMOND THE COOL IMP 1
                        COOLCORRON COOL DIAMOND Total 1
                        CORAL STAR SWIFTBROOK BILLY 12
                        CORAL STAR Total 12
                        CORETANO Z CURRACHASE DD Z 5
                        CORETANO Z Total 5
                        CORLAND ORLANDO 63
                        URIEL R 5
                        CORLAND Total 68
                        COTATION JUST POLLY 1
                        COTATION Total 1
                        COTTAGE FIRE (IRE) OKEY KOKEY 11
                        COTTAGE FIRE (IRE) Total 11
                        COULEUR ROBIN DOWER HOUSE BOY 1
                        COULEUR ROBIN Total 1
                        CROSSTOWN DANCER RICHMONDLEA SABLE 7
                        CROSSTOWN DANCER Total 7
                        CRUISE ON CODE OF HONOUR 11
                        THORNTON CRUSADER 22
                        CRUISE ON Total 33
                        CRUISING CRUISE CONTROL 23
                        CRUISE WARRIOR 38
                        CRUISEMATIC 8
                        DIRECT CRUISING 2
                        FERNHILL CRUISE 3
                        FULL SAIL 10
                        HILL TOP CRUISER 3
                        MR CRUISE CONTROL 161
                        NEWMARKET CRUISE 13
                        CRUISING Total 261
                        CULT HERO ELEMENTRY 1
                        FLAXLEY HERO 4
                        FLYING MACHINE 40
                        KILMURRAY CULT 1
                        WESTWOOD MARINER 83
                        CULT HERO Total 129
                        DACAPRIO DIDI LE GRAND 20
                        DACAPRIO Total 20
                        DANO ASKEATON STAR 36
                        DANO Total 36
                        DANZIG CONNECTION BROOKFIELDS JOEY PERHAPS 5
                        DANZIG CONNECTION Total 5
                        DARCY DANCER MR DARCY VIII 17
                        DARCY DANCER Total 17
                        DAUNTLESS PRINCE DAUNTLESS 28
                        DAUNTLESS PRINCE Total 28
                        DAYWELL PACIFIC GOLD HILLOCKS DAYTIME 23
                        DAYWELL PACIFIC GOLD Total 23
                        DE NIRO DONNIRO 9
                        DE NIRO Total 9
                        DEMONSTRATOR DEBUSSY'S GIRL 20
                        DEMONSTRATOR Total 20
                        DEVILS JUMP PINK PROFILE 65
                        DEVILS JUMP Total 65
                        DIAMOND CLOVER BALLYRAGGETT 24
                        DIAMOND CLOVER Total 24
                        DIAMOND DANCER DIAMOND RIO 3
                        DIAMOND DANCER Total 3
                        DIMAGGIO ON Q FOR GOLD 26
                        DIMAGGIO Total 26
                        DISTINCT NATIVE TB UNITIVO DE FOJA 27
                        DISTINCT NATIVE TB Total 27
                        DOCK LEAF DIAMOND LEAF 7
                        DOCK LEAF Total 7
                        DON JUAN DE LA BOUVERIE DREAM ON DONI 7
                        DON JUAN DE LA BOUVERIE Total 7
                        DON TRISTAN AMADEUS M 2
                        DON TRISTAN Total 2
                        DONNERSONG KANGASONG 60
                        DONNERSONG Total 60
                        DORANSTOWN HELLO WILD LONE 17
                        DORANSTOWN HELLO Total 17
                        DOW JONES COURCEL THORNFIELD JONES 14
                        DOW JONES COURCEL Total 14
                        DUCA DI BUSTED COOL DANCER 15
                        DUCA DI BUSTED Total 15
                        DUKY FERNHILL DUKE 1
                        DUKY Total 1
                        DUNDEE FORGET ME NOT 32
                        DUNDEE Total 32
                        ELANVILLE EPPERNE Z 10
                        ELANVILLE Total 10
                        ELCARO UCARO 2
                        ELCARO Total 2
                        ELECTRO ESTELLE 10
                        ELECTRO Total 10
                        ELFE DE B'NEVILLE NAGGY DE B'NEVILLE 3
                        ELFE DE B'NEVILLE Total 3
                        ELMSHORN DHI HINDLE 66
                        ELMSHORN Total 66
                        EMBLA ALFRED SIMPLY GEORGE 8
                        EMBLA ALFRED Total 8
                        EMILION UMILIANA 8
                        EMILION Total 8
                        EUGANO GOULTON EUGENIE 16
                        EUGANO Total 16
                        EXECUTIVE PERK CARRY ON JOSEPH 43
                        EXECUTIVE PERK Total 43
                        FABRIANO FROZEN NORTH 2
                        FABRIANO Total 2
                        FAKIR DE LA LANDE THE CONJURER 24
                        FAKIR DE LA LANDE Total 24
                        FALDO BRIGHT SIDE 30
                        FALDO Total 30
                        FARRINGTONS SPONDULCKS MOTION BOUND 56
                        FARRINGTONS SPONDULCKS Total 56
                        FERRO UNNA DIVETTE 4
                        FERRO Total 4
                        FILICE DE CHAMPEIX SATINKA MAGIC 12
                        WHITEHALL WE HOPE 1
                        FILICE DE CHAMPEIX Total 13
                        FILIDOR DE LARGIVAL NOUNES 38
                        FILIDOR DE LARGIVAL Total 38
                        FINES OPLITAS 84
                        FINES Total 84
                        FLAGMOUNT KING KILLOSSERY ARDNEHUE 1
                        RANIKET 1
                        WATERFORD ROSE 5
                        FLAGMOUNT KING Total 7
                        FLAME HILL FLAME DANCER 1
                        FLAME HILL Total 1
                        FLEETWATER OPPOSITION BLUE MOON OPPOSITION 3
                        SERIOUS OPPOSITION 75
                        SUNLEY SPIRIT 16
                        FLEETWATER OPPOSITION Total 94
                        FLEMMINGH USHI 16
                        FLEMMINGH Total 16
                        FOURSTARS ALLSTAR RAVENSTAR 15
                        FOURSTARS ALLSTAR Total 15
                        FRANKFORT BOY KNOCKMORE LAD 25
                        SPRING TOGETHER 15
                        FRANKFORT BOY Total 40
                        FRENCH DEPUTY TIERRI 2
                        FRENCH DEPUTY Total 2
                        FULL EXTENT BIG NIGHT OUT 6
                        FULL EXTENT Total 6
                        FURISTOS DIAMOND TOMS DIAMOND 5
                        FURISTOS DIAMOND Total 5
                        FUTURE ROLE WALK ON FIRE 15
                        FUTURE ROLE Total 15
                        FUTURE ROLE BRENDONHILL DOUBLET 21
                        DIAMOND DANNY 2
                        FUTURE ROLE Total 23
                        GARDEGENERAL GRAND SURPRISE 3
                        GARDEGENERAL Total 3
                        GARISTON ROYAL NOBLE BIG JIM 26
                        GARISTON ROYAL Total 26
                        GARUDA SHADURAGH 1
                        GARUDA Total 1
                        GERMUS RIVERSIDE BOB 5
                        GERMUS Total 5
                        GHAREEB GHAREEB KING 1
                        JUST A PERFORMANCE 1
                        KILRONAN 5
                        LAURAS GHAREEB 9
                        TULLAMORE GIRL 11
                        GHAREEB Total 27
                        GOLAN JUNIOR VII ROUGH PASSAGE 1
                        GOLAN JUNIOR VII Total 1
                        GOLDSMITHS HALL DARK CRUSADER 20
                        GOLDSMITHS HALL Total 20
                        GOOD TIMES SPORTING UNO 15
                        GOOD TIMES Total 15
                        GOODTIMES UNORETTE 2
                        GOODTIMES Total 2
                        GOTHLAND HIGH DAYS 3
                        GOTHLAND Total 3
                        GRAF GRANNO MOONLIGHT ENGAGEMENT 6
                        GRAF GRANNO Total 6
                        GRAN ALBA GRAN CHACO 46
                        GRAN ALBA Total 46
                        GRANDEUR BRANNAS GRANDANTO 8
                        GRANDEUR Total 8
                        GRANNEX LITTLE BOSS 22
                        GRANNEX Total 22
                        GRASSHOPPER QUINCEY 18
                        GRASSHOPPER Total 18
                        GREAT MARQUESS THE BOND BOY 2
                        GREAT MARQUESS Total 2
                        GREY DESIRE WITH A PASSION 10
                        GREY DESIRE Total 10
                        GUNTER D' L' HERBAGE NESTOR DES ISLOTS 6
                        GUNTER D' L' HERBAGE Total 6
                        HAND IN GLOVE TRESCOTHICK 23
                        HAND IN GLOVE Total 23
                        HANDLEY BARNS GRANDEE UPTOWN GIRL III 3
                        HANDLEY BARNS GRANDEE Total 3
                        HEARTBREAKER POWER OF DREAMS 18
                        THE ATTENTION SEEKER 15
                        HEARTBREAKER Total 33
                        HEMINGWAY OUT OF ORDER II 2
                        HEMINGWAY Total 2
                        HERITAGE FORTUNUS KAFKA 4
                        HERITAGE FORTUNUS Total 4
                        HIGH ROLLER DOONAVEERAGH O ONE 54
                        HIGH ROLLER Total 54
                        HIGH SCOPE BLUESTONE LUKE 16
                        HIGH SCOPE Total 16
                        HOARLEM AP UPRISING 27
                        HOARLEM Total 27
                        HOLD UP PREMIER UNDERCOVER III 20
                        HOLD UP PREMIER Total 20
                        HOLME PARK FLUTE II EYFORD FIDELIO 44
                        HOLME PARK FLUTE II Total 44
                        HORNET ROSE NICK OF THYME 101
                        HORNET ROSE Total 101
                        HORS LA LOI II GANGSTA II 23
                        HORS LA LOI II Total 23
                        IRCOLANDO USHI II 3
                        IRCOLANDO Total 3
                        ITS WITOUT DOUBT VII LAISSER FAERE II 3
                        ITS WITOUT DOUBT VII Total 3
                        JACKSONS DRIFT MOCHARABUIEE 8
                        JACKSONS DRIFT Total 8
                        JANNEMAN UBERTO 11
                        JANNEMAN Total 11
                        JAVA GOLD INISDEA GOLD 10
                        JAVA GOLD Total 10
                        JAVA TIGER BRATTON FLYING TIGGER 8
                        LINNEL DANCING TIGER 70
                        XAM 2
                        JAVA TIGER Total 80
                        JAYEN TYSHION LOUBAR WILLIAM 37
                        JAYEN TYSHION Total 37
                        JETSET-D URBAIN 18
                        JETSET-D Total 18
                        JUMBO JAMBOREE 13
                        JUMBO JACK 1
                        LARKET HILL 2
                        NF MOLLY MALONE 15
                        ON YOUR MARKS 70
                        SUPERIUS 13
                        JUMBO Total 114
                        JUMPILOT UDENSIE 2
                        JUMPILOT Total 2
                        KASHMIR VAN SCHUTTERSHOF BOY 16
                        KASHMIR VAN SCHUTTERSHOF Total 16
                        KEEN KEEN FOX 1
                        OAKS HOTSHOT 1
                        THE LAVERTON LAD 2
                        KEEN Total 4
                        KENNEDEDY UPKE 3
                        KENNEDEDY Total 3
                        KENNEDY URSELA 45
                        KENNEDY Total 45
                        KERANAGH HERO IN VOGUE 25
                        KERANAGH HERO Total 25
                        KEYSTONE DIMAGGIO DIFLORIO 4
                        KEYSTONE DIMAGGIO Total 4
                        KILCROW DIAMOND SATCH 2
                        KILCROW DIAMOND Total 2
                        KILDALTON KING HOLLY 11
                        KILDALTON KING Total 11
                        KILGLASS PENNISTONE ROOSKEY 18
                        KILGLASS PENNISTONE Total 18
                        KING LUTHIER LUTHIERS SECRET 2
                        KING LUTHIER Total 2
                        KINGS COMPOSER KING HARRY 5
                        KINGS COMPOSER Total 5
                        KINGS MASTER DARKEST ILLUSION 7
                        DAVISHILL SOPHIE 4
                        HENRY HILL 9
                        IMPERIAL COLOURS 14
                        KILCRONEY 15
                        KINGS BOUNTY 12
                        KNOCKALONG 10
                        MASTER CHUZZLEWIT 29
                        ODT KINGS JASPER 73
                        KINGS MASTER Total 173
                        KINGS QUEST MISS D CHEYENNE 2
                        KINGS QUEST Total 2
                        KINGSINGER GENTLEMAN GEORGE 21
                        KINGSINGER Total 21
                        LAGUNAS FIRECRACKER IV 5
                        LAGUNAS Total 5
                        LAISSEZ--FAIRE FAIR SAIL 9
                        LAISSEZ--FAIRE Total 9
                        LAKESTREET ENVOY SPRINGLEAZE RHAPSODY 11
                        LAKESTREET ENVOY Total 11
                        LAMERTO H LESCARGOT 17
                        LAMERTO H Total 17
                        LANCER II SILVIA 3
                        LANCER II Total 3
                        LANCET DHI EURO STAR 21
                        LANCET Total 21
                        LANSING UNTWIST II 1
                        LANSING Total 1
                        LARALLE LORD LAURIES 27
                        LARALLE Total 27
                        LARSH SAM I AM II 10
                        LARSH Total 10
                        LAURISTON UNIVERSE 2
                        LAURISTON Total 2
                        LAVIRCO COSTELA 26
                        LAVIRCO Total 26
                        LEMON PARK LORD VILLAIN 8
                        LEMON PARK Total 8
                        LESTER LAD THE LESTER TIGER 25
                        LESTER LAD Total 25
                        LIMMERICK BURNT COHIBA 79
                        GRAF LANDLORD 26
                        LIMMERICK Total 105
                        LOCH CRUISE THE GREY TURK 21
                        LOCH CRUISE Total 21
                        LOMBARDO COMPTON 31
                        LOMBI 1
                        POCKET DIPLOMAT 26
                        LOMBARDO Total 58
                        LOOPING RIME FROST 24
                        LOOPING Total 24
                        LORD NOBLE GLEN BRUNO 1
                        LORD NOBLE Total 1
                        LOSTOCK BLUE DOMINO DOUBLE SIX 4
                        LOSTOCK BLUE Total 4
                        LOSTOCK HUNTSMAN MICKEY JAMES 7
                        WHITE TIE AND TAILS 21
                        LOSTOCK HUNTSMAN Total 28
                        LOUELLA INSCHALLAH III SIR JEFFREY 1
                        LOUELLA INSCHALLAH III Total 1
                        LOUGHEHOE GUY ORDINARY BOY 6
                        LOUGHEHOE GUY Total 6
                        LUCKY GIFT GET LUCKY 3
                        HOLY MOLEY II 13
                        LUCKY GIFT Total 16
                        LUCKY VALIER RUMOUR HAS IT 18
                        WOODFIELD RIA 15
                        LUCKY VALIER Total 33
                        LUX TOTALLY UNIQUE 2
                        LUX Total 2
                        LUX Z LUXOR 2
                        PEBBLY FLUX 10
                        LUX Z Total 12
                        LYPHENTO DEGAS 1
                        LYPHENTO Total 1
                        LYPHENTO USA ALLERCOMBE POPPY 1
                        LYPHENTO USA Total 1
                        MALMSEY COUNTDOWN II 11
                        MALMSEY Total 11
                        MALT STRIKER WHIXLEY STRIKER 7
                        MALT STRIKER Total 7
                        MALTSTRIKER BRIGG STRIKER 3
                        MALTSTRIKER Total 3
                        MAN AMONG MEN RAFFAELLO 2
                        MAN AMONG MEN Total 2
                        MANHATTAN MERLINNEKE Z 4
                        PURE MANHATTAN 42
                        MANHATTAN Total 46
                        MANSOMIEN OKAY MAN 67
                        MANSOMIEN Total 67
                        MARCO MITRAS MITRAS EMINEM 54
                        MARCO MITRAS Total 54
                        MARK TWAIN ROSSBEIGH 47
                        MARK TWAIN Total 47
                        MARS PUZZLED II 10
                        MARS Total 10
                        MASTER IMP BIGTIME 22
                        DRESSED TO IMPRESS 25
                        FERNHILL IMPULSE 20
                        HEDONIST 14
                        HIGH KINGDOM 15
                        IM POSING 1
                        IMPRINT II 13
                        IMPULSIVE 47
                        JOBMASTER 31
                        MASTER CRUSOE 56
                        MASTER JACK III 2
                        MASTERFUL CLOVER 1
                        MISS IMPRESS 14
                        TOMNAFINNOGUE 4
                        TRICK MASTER 25
                        MASTER IMP Total 290
                        MATADOR MR MILLER 2 9
                        MATADOR Total 9
                        MATINEE FINAL ENCORE 13
                        WILLY DO 29
                        MATINEE Total 42
                        MATINEE DU MADON VII MUTUAL WILL 27
                        MATINEE DU MADON VII Total 27
                        MATINEE DU MADOW VII WELLSHEAD MUNNINGS 16
                        MATINEE DU MADOW VII Total 16
                        MAXIMILLIUM SALLUT ORTO 2
                        MAXIMILLIUM SALLUT Total 2
                        MAYHILL BONZA BILBARIN 10
                        BONZA KINGSCANYON 20
                        COPPERHILL SOLSTICE 15
                        MAYHILL Total 45
                        MEADOWBROOK WRENWATER 1
                        MEADOWBROOK Total 1
                        MERIT BARLEY MILL 17
                        MERIT Total 17
                        METALL URZAN 48
                        METALL Total 48
                        METROPOLE URSULA 10
                        METROPOLE Total 10
                        MILL LAW MILLIE ON AIR 39
                        MILL LAW Total 39
                        MILLBROOK ESQ WILLPOWER 17
                        MILLBROOK ESQ Total 17
                        MONTE CARLO FRECKLETON MAGIC 23
                        MONTE CARLO Total 23
                        MR CLOVER GRANGEWOOD IN CLOVER 2
                        MR CLOVER Total 2
                        MUSHAADIR TULLIBARDS NIMBUS 4
                        MUSHAADIR Total 4
                        MY WAY MY LAST ONE 11
                        MY WAY Total 11
                        N/A DOCTOR KILDARE 1
                        JUST OTTO 23
                        N/A Total 24
                        NAIROBI UROCO 31
                        NAIROBI Total 31
                        NAMELUS FOREIGN ENCOUNTER 1
                        NAMELUS Total 1
                        NARCOS FRENCH CONNECTION NJ 1
                        NARCOS Total 1
                        NARMIRO FEELING FRIDAY 9
                        NARMIRO Total 9
                        NAUTILUS FORGE STAR 1
                        NAUTILUS Total 1
                        NEGATIVE NUGGET LAMBRIG VALENTINE 3
                        NEGATIVE NUGGET Total 3
                        NICKEL STEEL HEART OF GOLD 20
                        NICKEL STEEL Total 20
                        NIDOR PLATIERE NEUF DES COEURS 77
                        NIDOR PLATIERE Total 77
                        NO LIMIT CASINO ROYALE 5
                        NO LIMIT Total 5
                        NORTON CHALLENGER FAIT ACCOMPLIS 12
                        NORTON CHALLENGER Total 12
                        NOT KNOWN PEBBLY AGA KHAN 18
                        NOT KNOWN Total 18
                        O.B.O.S QUALITY CUFFESGRANGE QUALITY 12
                        RAPHAEL III 84
                        O.B.O.S QUALITY Total 96
                        OBOS QUALITY ODT JERRY SPRINGS 24
                        OBOS QUALITY Total 24
                        ODERMUS POLAR RUN 57
                        ODERMUS Total 57
                        OHIO EURO STAR 24
                        OHIO Total 24
                        OJASPER UN NEVER 1
                        OJASPER Total 1
                        OKLUND KRAKATAU 11
                        OKLUND Total 11
                        OLYMPIC LUX CASTLE LUX 4
                        DRIVING FORCE 10
                        OLYMPIC LUX Total 14
                        ONZE FONS U OVERTON PRIDE 4
                        ONZE FONS Total 4
                        OPIUM DE LAUBRY BUTTERFLY BOY 5
                        OPIUM DE LAUBRY Total 5
                        OPTIMIST NEXT OPTIMIST 9
                        UMBRO 23
                        OPTIMIST Total 32
                        ORAME UNTOUCHABLE III 1
                        UWALD 22
                        ORAME Total 23
                        ORBIS POPPY COIN 36
                        ORBIS Total 36
                        ORVILLE OEPS 14
                        ORVILLE Total 14
                        OSCAR SCHINDLER DRIVE THRU 65
                        OSCAR SCHINDLER Total 65
                        OSILVIS SHANNONDALE SILVAC 4
                        WHOS CRUISE 39
                        OSILVIS Total 43
                        PACIFIC SQUIRT 30
                        PACIFIC Total 30
                        PAIRC NA CLOCHA FAIRMONT TWICE SHY 26
                        PAIRC NA CLOCHA Total 26
                        PASTERNAK TRAFALGAR 71
                        PASTERNAK Total 71
                        PAULDARY'S TOP TIGER TIGER TIGER III 1
                        PAULDARY'S TOP TIGER Total 1
                        PAVAROTTI V.D. HELLE PEPPER ANNE 34
                        PAVAROTTI V.D. HELLE Total 34
                        PHIN PHIN UCHIN 59
                        PHIN PHIN Total 59
                        PIK SOLO BONNE AMIE 6
                        PIK SOLO Total 6
                        PILOT PUR OF KEWIA PILOTS PLEASURE 29
                        PILOT PUR OF KEWIA Total 29
                        POETIC JUSTICE COURTING SUCCESS 32
                        POETIC JUSTICE Total 32
                        POLANSKY ULICIEJANDO 3
                        POLANSKY Total 3
                        POLITICAL MERGER OBERON DON 7
                        POLITICAL MERGER Total 7
                        PONTEVECCHIO LITIGATION II 2
                        PONTEVECCHIO Total 2
                        POWER BLADE CHANTRY RIVERDANCE 3
                        POWER LINE 36
                        POWER BLADE Total 39
                        PRIMITIVE RISING BAGGRAVE SEVRUGA 14
                        LILLIESLEAF 8
                        ONELINER 11
                        PRIMITIVE PRISCILLA 21
                        PRIMITIVE PURPLE STREAK 19
                        PRIMITIVE SWORD 1
                        PRIMITIVES PANSY 11
                        RISING TIME 20
                        RIVENDELL SPRINGS 5
                        TIGER LILY IX 26
                        TREQUITE 21
                        PRIMITIVE RISING Total 157
                        PRIMO PAGEANT DORIAN GRAY 3
                        PRIMO PAGEANT Total 3
                        PRINCE PARADISO MATCHLESS 12
                        PRINCE PARADISO Total 12
                        PRIVATE DESPATCH ABBEY D'OR 5
                        PRIVATE DESPATCH Total 5
                        PUCCINI FRANKIE 19
                        PUCCINI Total 19
                        PUISSANCE BALLADEER DEL 15
                        HOYO 35
                        PUISSANCE Total 50
                        PULSINGH WILDERNESS II 50
                        PULSINGH Total 50
                        QUEENS SOLDIER RUFFORTH QUEENS REGIMENT 23
                        QUEENS SOLDIER Total 23
                        QUINCY OMNI STAR 3
                        QUINCY Total 3
                        RAINBOW LAD LANGARTH EDMUND 17
                        RAINBOW LAD Total 17
                        RAINBOWS END TRIPLE BLEND 1
                        RAINBOWS END Total 1
                        RAKAPOSHI KING MINI MISS 21
                        RAKAPOSHI KING Total 21
                        RAMEXICO MULLIGAN II 18
                        PEMBREY PERZAZ 4
                        RAMEXICO Total 22
                        RAMIRO B ASHDALE KALIRO 42
                        CALL ME ISHMAEL 4
                        ODT RABBIE MAC FLY 31
                        STONEHAVENS LADY B 1
                        RAMIRO B Total 78
                        RANDI STAR ATTRACTION 6
                        RANDI Total 6
                        RANTIS DIAMOND IRISH AFFAIR 15
                        RANTIS DIAMOND Total 15
                        REGAL STING SET DESIGNER 5
                        REGAL STING Total 5
                        RELIEF PITCHER BOWLING CLOUD 16
                        TOTTEN LADY 21
                        RELIEF PITCHER Total 37
                        REVOLUTION SPRING DANCER 1
                        REVOLUTION Total 1
                        RHOMAN RULE ROMAN LAW 1
                        RHOMAN RULE Total 1
                        RICARDO Z BALLYBOE INTEGITY 19
                        BALLYENGLAND REBEL 28
                        JEEPERS CREEPERS 11
                        KURIOSITY 16
                        LITTLE TED 11
                        MATINEE IDOL II 35
                        ROXY RICARDO 6
                        SPORTSFIELD ONE O TWO 16
                        SPORTSFIELD OTHELLO 25
                        SUPA NOVA II 11
                        WINEPORT QUEST 23
                        RICARDO Z Total 201
                        RICH REBEL CULLAWN HOLLY 27
                        KENNEALLYS PRIDE 10
                        RICH REBEL Total 37
                        ROCK CITY CITY GIRL 3
                        ROCK CITY Total 3
                        ROCK KING ICE FIRST 18
                        ROCK KING Total 18
                        ROCKWELL ROCETTE 28
                        ROCKWELL Total 28
                        ROMA DIAMOND SKIP TEDWARD 1
                        ROMA DIAMOND SKIP Total 1
                        ROMANY JOJO MRS TILLY 25
                        ROMANY JOJO Total 25
                        ROMAR 1 LOCH AILORT 3
                        ROMAR 1 Total 3
                        ROSEBERRY AVENUE ARLINGTON WAY 11
                        ROSEBERRY AVENUE Total 11
                        ROSIRE NEWTON DE LA LOVE 73
                        ROSIRE Total 73
                        ROSSCASTLE FRED KNOCKILLAREE CASTLE 1
                        ROSSCASTLE FRED Total 1
                        ROSTJNTAN RAIN MAN III 61
                        ROSTJNTAN Total 61
                        ROTSPON REAL DANCER 23
                        ROTSPON Total 23
                        ROYAL PERSIAN CARLINGFORDS ROYALE 18
                        ROYAL PERSIAN Total 18
                        RUBENS DU RI D'ASSE D'96 JACK THE MAN 1
                        RUBENS DU RI D'ASSE D'96 Total 1
                        RUBENS DURI D ASSE BOLERO II 1
                        RUBENS DURI D ASSE Total 1
                        RUDGEWAY CHARMING PRINCE SANNANVALLEY CHIEFTAIN 1
                        RUDGEWAY CHARMING PRINCE Total 1
                        RUFFO BAGS NOT 3
                        RUFFO Total 3
                        SADDLERS HALL FAILINIS 1
                        SADDLERS HALL Total 1
                        SANDRO HIT SONG SONG BLUE 25
                        SANDRO HIT Total 25
                        SARACEN HILL LINCOURT SAR 1
                        SARACEN HILL Total 1
                        SEA RAVEN LORD PERCY II 4
                        SEA RAVEN Total 4
                        SHAAB DOGBERRY 11
                        SHAAB Total 11
                        SHATTERED PEACE TEETON SOLSTICE 1
                        WILLOWBY V 26
                        SHATTERED PEACE Total 27
                        SHERLOCK HOLMES SAPPALOT 6
                        SHERLOCK HOLMES Total 6
                        SHINE ON FILIGREE 1
                        SHINE ON Total 1
                        SILVER OWL LORD OF THE OWLS 21
                        TREFILAN QUICKSILVER 1
                        SILVER OWL Total 22
                        SIR HOLTRUP EYE CATCHER 14
                        SIR HOLTRUP Total 14
                        SIR LARYKS WASAL 41
                        SIR LARYKS Total 41
                        SNOWFORD PINKSTON SPRING BOX 1
                        SNOWFORD PINKSTON Total 1
                        SOIR D'AVRIL NIKOS 47
                        SOIR D'AVRIL Total 47
                        SONG OF THE WOODS TOP OF THE TREES 13
                        SONG OF THE WOODS Total 13
                        SPRING ELEGANCE BOMBERS MOON 2
                        LOUGHNATOUSA ELEGANCE 5
                        NENAGH 3
                        SPRING ELEGANCE Total 10
                        STAR KINGDOM TATTYGARE GOLDEN NOBLE 1
                        STAR KINGDOM Total 1
                        STAR OF PERSIA RYE HILL II 1
                        STAR OF PERSIA Total 1
                        STEAL THE SHOW INTREPID 15
                        STEAL THE SHOW Total 15
                        STETSEN HONEYPOT TIGER LILLY 15
                        STETSEN Total 15
                        SUN RICH CHARLOTTE GREY 3
                        SUN RICH Total 3
                        SUNLIGHT HELLO SUNSHINE 2
                        SUNLIGHT Total 2
                        SYLVAN EXPRESS HADDON TRUMP CARD 1
                        MOPANI 62
                        SIR JASPER VI 1
                        SYLVAN EXPRESS Total 64
                        TASSET TASS 17
                        TASSET GOLD 1
                        TASSET Total 18
                        THE ARTIST THE CHENKO ARTIST 54
                        THE ARTIST Total 54
                        THE GLADIATOR AKAROA 12
                        THE GLADIATOR Total 12
                        THE STAR OF ORION WOODLANDS ANABEL 7
                        THE STAR OF ORION Total 7
                        TIKKY MUSHU 25
                        TIKKY Total 25
                        TINKA'S LAD CROFT PLAY BOY 37
                        TINKA'S LAD Total 37
                        TORNADO TOUCANO 4
                        TORNADO Total 4
                        TOUCHDOWN MONARCHS ROYAL TOUCH 23
                        OUT OF TOUCH II 6
                        TOUCHALIER 7
                        T-REX 1
                        TOUCHDOWN Total 37
                        TRACY X BY CRIKEY 12
                        TRACY X Total 12
                        TRESOR BOLERO DE STE HERMELLE 11
                        TRESOR Total 11
                        TULIRA ROBUCK GRANAHAN MOON ROCKET 15
                        TULIRA ROBUCK Total 15
                        TURNING POINT SANDHILLS STAR TURN 14
                        TURNING POINT Total 14
                        UNBELIEVABLE DARCO DARC ANNA 1
                        UNBELIEVABLE DARCO Total 1
                        UNKNOWN ABCOEUR BAY 1
                        ADVANCED BOOKING 13
                        APRILS DELIGHT 12
                        APRILS FOOL 2
                        BETTER THAN EVER 5
                        BLUE 10
                        BREEZE IV 9
                        BUTTON CLOVER 26
                        CAPTAIN NEMO 2
                        CASTLE CONFETTI 33
                        CASTLEVIEW MISTY 6
                        CHAPELWELLS STINGO 2
                        CHARLIE VIII 54
                        CHEQUERS HOT CHOCOLATE 1
                        DAISY DUKE 23
                        DEVILS ADVOCATE III 26
                        DINNY BATH 24
                        EASY TARGET 56
                        FERNHILL ROYAL FLUSH 8
                        FERNHILL UTOPIA 24
                        FLYTE 36
                        FORTUNE COOKIE 21
                        GLENDUN 37
                        GORTGLAS TRISTAN 2
                        GUS 8
                        HERE'S HOUDI 1
                        HOPE COVE 39
                        IN YOUR HONOUR 1
                        JUST LIKE JOE 2
                        KELLS CELTIC SILVER 17
                        LOUGHNATOUSA RED ROCK 2
                        MAGICAL MOMENT 3
                        MONOGRAM 27
                        MONTEZUMA II 9
                        MR CIRCUS 24
                        MR DIAMOND GRAY 2
                        ODT ARCTIC MONKEY 1
                        PEBBLY MANOFHONOUR 1
                        POLLYANNA II 2
                        RED WHARF HORACE 1
                        REGENT LAD 45
                        ROAD TAX 2
                        ROYAL RISING 14
                        SHAPE SHIFTER 2
                        SKIPPERS PLAN 2
                        SOMETHING OR NOTHING 1
                        SONNY EARLY 23
                        SPORTSFIELD WE THREE 6
                        SQUIFFY JIFFY 1
                        STAPLEFORD THE GHOST 2
                        STEP IT OUT 1
                        TASK MASTER 29
                        THE OTHER SIDE 3
                        THE WIZN'T 14
                        TO BE SHAUGH 1
                        UNKNOWN Total 719
                        UP CHIQUI WAIT A MINUTE 25
                        UP CHIQUI Total 25
                        UPTONS TRUE DIAMOND TADPOLE 14
                        UPTONS TRUE DIAMOND Total 14
                        VDK ARKANSAS CYRIL THE SQURRIL III 12
                        VDK ARKANSAS Total 12
                        VECHTA BILLY BEAR 7
                        BILLY BLACK JACK 27
                        BILLY MALONE 9
                        VECHTA Total 43
                        VERSAIILES II NYSA DE PETRA 19
                        VERSAIILES II Total 19
                        WARLOCK OF BELLHOUSE WENDEL OF BELLHOUSE 16
                        WARLOCK OF BELLHOUSE Total 16
                        WELCOME FLAGMOUNT CORGARY LAD 18
                        WELCOME FLAGMOUNT Total 18
                        WELLBORN SOMETHING ABOUT DANNY 7
                        WELLBORN Total 7
                        WELTON AMBASSADOR CYBER QUEST 1
                        PERFICK MISS AMBER 10
                        WELTON HAWKES BAY 15
                        WELTON AMBASSADOR Total 26
                        WELTON CHARDONNAY MERLOTS MAGIC 7
                        WELTON SOPHISTICAT 4
                        WELTON CHARDONNAY Total 11
                        WELTON CRACKERJACK CYBER PEARL 17
                        FLYING PHANTOM 14
                        FUTURE PROMISE 7
                        WELTON CRACKERJACK Total 38
                        WELTON FLEETWAY BALLYS BOY 3
                        WELTON FLEETWAY Total 3
                        WHITE CLOVER CLOONBARRY CLOVER 28
                        WHITE CLOVER Total 28
                        WHITE STAR JUNIOR II 4
                        WAYGAARD 4
                        WHITE STAR Total 8
                        WINDSPIEL WESTCOAST 13
                        WINDSPIEL Total 13
                        WOLFHOUND SONNE DE LOUP 1
                        WOLFHOUND Total 1
                        YASHGAN ROCK STAR 3
                        YASHGAN Total 3
                        YOUNG CONVINCED YOUNG RUSTY 7
                        YOUNG CONVINCED Total 7
                        YOUNG EDMOND RUFUS STONE 9
                        YOUNG EDMOND Total 9
                        ZAFFRANS SONG MORE LUCK 7
                        ZAFFRANS SONG Total 7
                        ZAREWITSCH ZANTOS 8
                        ZAREWITSCH Total 8
                        ZHVAGO CHANCE AFFAIR II 12
                        ZHVAGO Total 12
                        Grand Total 9550
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                        • #72
                          Originally posted by Waterwitch View Post
                          McKinlaigh is half RID by pedigree, slightly less in blood due to TB behind some of the RIDs (but McKinlaigh is a gelding unfortunately!).
                          IIRC, he's about 5/8ths TB, between 1/2 and 3/4.

                          But again, the half-bred is not the norm at Advanced eventing.

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                          • #73
                            Originally posted by stolensilver View Post
                            I have a couple of queries about Jaguar Mail. Firstly he's very tall at 17.1 for an event sire. Most eventers are smaller, 16-16.2hh probably because smaller horses tend to stay sounder. Secondly he's covered over 1000 mares and is now 12 years old so his oldest offspring should be 7 yet he doesn't appear on any of the sire lists of winning 5, 6 and 7yo eventers. Perhaps there are good reasons for this but if I had the OPs mare I'd be more likely to choose a proven sire not one who has had many big books of mares with nothing yet to show for it.

                            Here is the full analysis of eventers that won points in 2008 in the UK and who sired them. Jaguar Mail is conspicuously absent.

                            Do you know that his oldest offspring bred for eventing are 7? 12 is young for a performance stallion. Most of the eventing stallions do not prove themselves until they are OLD. To me, he is a good looking sire. His TB line is a proven jumping line. I reserve my judgement for how good of an eventing sire he is for a few more years. For example....My Aberjack mare is just turning 7 and out of one of his first crops here in the US. Everyone put him down as not producing anything...but just now, his offspring, at least here in the states are making their way up the levels. Several are doing well at the Prelim level this year and in a few years I bet some of them will be at Advanced. But at that point....he will be an old man. Not all horses are ready to run at Prelim (or Novice in the UK) at age 5 or 6 (which I believe is the level you need to be at to earn points). And if we only bred to "proven" horses.....how would younger sires become proven. I think you look at your mare (and the offspring they produce) and look at the sire and his pedigree and then look at what traits his offspring seem to have to see if it would be a good match for your mare.
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                            • #74
                              What about Windfall?

                              Tzigane? He's competing at Grand Prix.
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                              • #75
                                In the UK there are age classes for young eventers and the results and the breeding are collated. Jaguar Mail does not appear on those lists for 2008. All I'm saying is that I want to wait longer before deciding whether JM is going to be a good event sire. He's had plenty of foals and to see none of them coming through in the 4,5 or 6yo classes makes me wonder.

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                                • #76
                                  Originally posted by stolensilver View Post
                                  I have a couple of queries about Jaguar Mail. Firstly he's very tall at 17.1 for an event sire. Most eventers are smaller, 16-16.2hh probably because smaller horses tend to stay sounder. Secondly he's covered over 1000 mares and is now 12 years old so his oldest offspring should be 7 yet he doesn't appear on any of the sire lists of winning 5, 6 and 7yo eventers. Perhaps there are good reasons for this but if I had the OPs mare I'd be more likely to choose a proven sire not one who has had many big books of mares with nothing yet to show for it.
                                  I believe Jaguar Mail's oldest offspring are in France and have done well there.

                                  Jaguar Mail's sire, the US TB Hand in Glove, was a very large horse. 17.2hh and stout. But he did race as a young horse, then did FEI dressage and showjumping.

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                                  • #77
                                    Originally posted by JER View Post
                                    But what an event breeder is looking for is the right kind of athleticism. Not a horse that's an 'almost' at straight dressage or showjumping. You need efficient movement (as opposed to knee action), a ground-covering canter and gallop, and a forward, efficient jump. This is different than what you might want for a top GP SJ or dressage horse.
                                    If this is true, why are event horse breeders like Denny buying top jumping bred horses as prospective breeding stock? Didn't he purchase a number of young horses from Fermebeaulieu Farm?
                                    Liz
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                                    • #78
                                      Originally posted by TKR View Post
                                      What about Steurt Pittman's fabulous stallion - Salutely? He's a proven producer.
                                      PennyG
                                      I think you mean Salute The Truth (though he's by Salutely) As has been noted about some other stallions on here, he is still rather "young" - his first crop which is very small, are just now turning 8. He's got some younger offspring out there now competing and doing well at Preliminary and lots more at Novice and Training. One six-year old just completed his first CCI* with Buck Davidson and will hopefully do more soon. Of course, we're hoping for several to make it to Advanced - but it hasn't happened, yet! Thanks for suggesting him, though - we are rather partial to him

                                      By the way - this is an interesting thread. We've got one daughter of Salute The Truth (out of a mare that was full sister to Reputed Testamony) that we are considering breeding and have looked at a lot of the stallions from EMCO. There are several on here we hadn't looked at, though...I love looking at stallions. The stallion-shopping is nearly as much fun as the foals that result from the breedings!
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                                      • #79
                                        Originally posted by Waterwitch View Post
                                        If this is true, why are event horse breeders like Denny buying top jumping bred horses as prospective breeding stock? Didn't he purchase a number of young horses from Fermebeaulieu Farm?
                                        Because the youngstock in question have the qualities that would make them good event horses and producers of quality 21st century event horses. Denny knows what he's doing.

                                        Just to use some obvious examples, King of Diamonds and Cavalier Royale and Touchdown were excellent sires of showjumpers and eventers. But among the youngstock, some would have qualities that would push them in one direction or the other. If a horse has a big jump but hovers over fences and has a canter with a lot of up-and-down, you'd point him toward straight showjumping. If a horse covers the ground well but isn't as careful or as extreme in jumping ability, you'd make him a derby horse or an eventer. But don't kid yourself about making the time on that heavy horse who hangs in the air and canters like a dressage horse.

                                        (And just as obvious, if you want a jumper or eventer, than the TB Laurie's Crusader is not for you. If you want dressage horse from your WB mare, have at it.)

                                        To be successful at Advanced, a horse needs to be able to make the time and recover well enough for the next day. The qualities that allow the horse to do that aren't a mystery at all. You can breed for them or you can go searching through youngstock to find them. If you're buying them as breeding stock, you'll review their pedigree to see if they are what you usually get from those lines.

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                                        • #80
                                          I'd like to complement the responders, this is probably the most intelligent, thoughtful thread (including data and facts, no less) that I've ever seen on this forum.

                                          We've done Riverman and Windfall, both are outstanding on TB mares. Both sire personality, as well!

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