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  • Breeding Approval Options for Unregistered Mare?

    Are there any registries that would approve an upapered, but pedigree-documented, Hanoverian mare for breeding? Even for a lower book.

    A gal I know has a very, very nice young mare who was sired by an unlicensed stallion and hence does not have papers. The stallion is Grundstein/Weinerwald and the dam is actually a very well bred RAN/TV Lark/Dante TB.

    Would any of the European registries accept her, or would she be "stuck" with the AWS, if they'd even take her?

    Thanks
    Stübben North America
    Los Angeles - Ventura County - San Luis Obispo

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    I know the Oldenburg/ISR NA has a separate book for what you're describing. It's the "International Sporthorse Registry". The requirements are listed on their webpage:

    http://www.isroldenburg.org/?pid=mares_eligibility

    I think RPSI might have a siilar option, but you'd have to call/check their website.

    http://www.rhpsi.com/


    Good luck
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      #3
      Originally posted by jilltx View Post
      I know the Oldenburg/ISR NA has a separate book for what you're describing. It's the "International Sporthorse Registry". The requirements are listed on their webpage:

      http://www.isroldenburg.org/?pid=mares_eligibility
      Thanks! The ISR had been my first thought as well, but after reading the requirements, it seems to say that registration with one of the approved registries is required? I'm pretty sure the only papers this mare could get are PHR being half TB, unless the AHS has some sort of COP that the ISR might accept? The mare's dam was AHS approved as well.

      It does look like she could be approved for the Pre-Mare Book of the RPSI
      Stübben North America
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      • #4
        Oldenburg (GOV) will sometimes take these mares into its lowest mare book (pre-mare book II). Their foals will be eligible for regular Oldenburg registration papers, but not eligible for foal premiums. Their fillies are also eligible for the lowest mare book, with THEIR fillies eligible for one book higher - Pre-Mare Book I. It will basically take 4 generations for a filly descendant from the original mare to become eligible for the Main Mare Book. Also, colts of the original mare and her filly descendants would not be considered as stallion candidates (takes 6 generations for a colt descendant from the original mare to be considered as a stallion candidate).

        If interested, contact the Florida office for more info.
        http://www.oldenburghorse.com/

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          Is it possible to DNA type the mare to prove the pedigree? That may open up some options.

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            Originally posted by DownYonder View Post
            Oldenburg (GOV) will sometimes take these mares into its lowest mare book (pre-mare book II). Their foals will be eligible for regular Oldenburg registration papers, but not eligible for foal premiums. Their fillies are also eligible for the lowest mare book, with THEIR fillies eligible for one book higher - Pre-Mare Book I. It will basically take 4 generations for a filly descendant from the original mare to become eligible for the Main Mare Book. Also, colts of the original mare and her filly descendants would not be considered as stallion candidates (takes 6 generations for a colt descendant from the original mare to be considered as a stallion candidate).

            If interested, contact the Florida office for more info.
            http://www.oldenburghorse.com/
            Thank you, I will pass along that information!
            Stübben North America
            Los Angeles - Ventura County - San Luis Obispo

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              Originally posted by Fairview Horse Center View Post
              Is it possible to DNA type the mare to prove the pedigree? That may open up some options.
              That's a good question. I guess it would depend on whether or not the sire and dam are DNA typed correct? The owner of this mare is not the breeder and therefore does not have access to either sire or dam to pull a DNA sample. Does the AHS DNA type mares when they are approved for breeding?
              Stübben North America
              Los Angeles - Ventura County - San Luis Obispo

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              • #8
                The AHS does DNA type, but it would depend on year. I am not sure what year they began to require DNA. Maybe at least you could have bloodtyping done if that is on file for sire and dam.

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                  Easiest answer is to pick the stallion you are thinking of breeding the mare to. Then contact the various registries [if more than one] for that stallion--or just contact the one registry--to see what they can offer you.
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                    Originally posted by DownYonder View Post
                    Oldenburg (GOV) will sometimes take these mares into its lowest mare book (pre-mare book II). Their foals will be eligible for regular Oldenburg registration papers, but not eligible for foal premiums. Their fillies are also eligible for the lowest mare book, with THEIR fillies eligible for one book higher - Pre-Mare Book I. It will basically take 4 generations for a filly descendant from the original mare to become eligible for the Main Mare Book. Also, colts of the original mare and her filly descendants would not be considered as stallion candidates (takes 6 generations for a colt descendant from the original mare to be considered as a stallion candidate).

                    If interested, contact the Florida office for more info.
                    http://www.oldenburghorse.com/
                    Now THAT makes sense!! Someone was very wise when they did this!
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                    • #11
                      I believe RPSI is the same as GOV. The mare would start in the lowest book and you could "breed up" from there.
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                        #12
                        Thank you

                        Now I have a different question. Different mare, registered with the "Gotthard Registry." Never heard of it personally and I'm curious if any registry would accept papers from this registry as proof of pedigree?
                        Stübben North America
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                          Originally posted by ShannonD View Post
                          Thank you

                          Now I have a different question. Different mare, registered with the "Gotthard Registry." Never heard of it personally and I'm curious if any registry would accept papers from this registry as proof of pedigree?
                          Never heard of it either. Where was she bred? And I doubt any mainstream registry would consider it as an acknowledged studbook, so would not accept the papers.

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