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  • What color is he? Update page 4 - sire results are in

    My personal mare foaled last night at 11:15, a strapping colt! He is VERY dark except on his rear where he is almost the same color as his sire and we are having a hard time figuring out what color he is...
    Sire is Buckskin and dam is Bay. Ok color gurus, what do you think?
    http://www.foxhavenfarminc.com/image...009colt020.JPG
    http://www.foxhavenfarminc.com/image...009colt014.JPG
    http://www.foxhavenfarminc.com/image...009colt017.JPG
    http://www.foxhavenfarminc.com/image...009colt012.JPG

    Just for reference, this is his sire at 3 days old.
    Last edited by foxhavenfarm; May. 6, 2009, 08:36 PM.
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    I'd say buckskin!

    Very cute!
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    • #3
      Any chance of gray? He really looks like a buckskin that is going to go gray. Gray foals of all base colors are usually born very dark.

      Here's a photo of a buckskin going-gray foal:

      http://www.grullablue.com/colors/foa...y_buckskin.jpg

      And a gray buckskin filly:

      http://i60.photobucket.com/albums/h1...g?t=1240584034
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      • #4
        I vote either buckskin or smokey black! What a cutie!

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          #5
          Originally posted by SilverSpringFarm View Post
          Any chance of gray? He really looks like a buckskin that is going to go gray. Gray foals of all base colors are usually born very dark.

          Here's a photo of a buckskin going-gray foal:

          http://www.grullablue.com/colors/foa...y_buckskin.jpg

          And a gray buckskin filly:

          http://i60.photobucket.com/albums/h1...g?t=1240584034
          Nope, not a chance! Although his sire looks like he may be grey, he is not.
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          • #6
            I think he's buckskin.
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            • #7
              Originally posted by foxhavenfarm View Post
              Nope, not a chance! Although his sire looks like he may be grey, he is not.
              This is the sire, correct?

              http://www.foxhavenfarminc.com/images/BuckyatFEH4.jpg

              Has his sire actually been tested for gray? He really looks unmistakeably gray and his dam is also listed as being a gray.
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                #8
                Originally posted by SilverSpringFarm View Post
                This is the sire, correct?

                http://www.foxhavenfarminc.com/images/BuckyatFEH4.jpg

                Has his sire actually been tested for gray? He really looks unmistakeably gray and his dam is also listed as being a gray.
                Yes, that is the sire. He is bodyclipped in that picture so he does look grey. He is MUCH darker than that and the hair on his face is not white, it is cream colored. We have not had him tested yet for the grey gene-this is happening this week as well as DNA color testing on the colt so that information will be available soon.
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                • #9
                  I agree with Silver... as in the sire (looked at all pics on site and video)

                  Buckskin going grey.

                  Foal looks buckskin... he may grey also
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                  • #10
                    Regardless of color, he's downright adorable. He has the cutest head I've ever seen on a TB! Congratulations on the new colt too.
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                    • #11
                      IMHO, Bucky IS going gray.

                      I think the foal will go gray, given how dark his legs are, and right now he's either a sooty buckskin or smoky black.
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                        #12
                        Originally posted by SilverSpringFarm View Post
                        Regardless of color, he's downright adorable. He has the cutest head I've ever seen on a TB! Congratulations on the new colt too.
                        He he...thank you! I think he has a block head thinking about calling him Charlie Brown...

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by foxhavenfarm View Post
                          He he...thank you! I think he has a block head thinking about calling him Charlie Brown...
                          His head & eye are almost identical to those of a paint gelding's I use to own... His name, ironically, was Good Man Charlie.
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                          • #14
                            Bucky does really look gray to me also. Does this foal have any white around his face/eyes? I think dark buckskin also or smokey black but will reserve giving an opinion on whether he's going gray or not.

                            This is a filly that turned out to be smokey black:

                            http://i97.photobucket.com/albums/l2...illy5-24-1.jpg

                            http://i97.photobucket.com/albums/l2...iowafilly4.jpg

                            I still have her and this is her adult coat:

                            http://i97.photobucket.com/albums/l2...sysummer08.jpg

                            She is more black in the Spring but by midsummer has faded to that chocolate color.

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                              #15
                              Originally posted by Daydream Believer View Post
                              Bucky does really look gray to me also. Does this foal have any white around his face/eyes? I think dark buckskin also or smokey black but will reserve giving an opinion on whether he's going gray or not.

                              Nope, no white hairs around his eyes at all. He is black black on his head. He does have goldish colored hair inside his ears whick makes me think smokey black also.

                              The DNA kits are in the mail...so we will know for sure if Bucky is going grey or not. We do not think he is, but the DNA test will tell us for sure. He is even darker brown this spring than he was last year.
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                              • #16
                                Congrats! He's very cute. As far as color, I too am going to fall into the "gray" camp for both the colt and the sire. Having a slew of gray foals with a small smattering of bay foals, none of my colored foals had dark legs at birth. They all have had a silver sheen to them. 100% of my "going to be gray foals" had very dark legs with no silver sheen. The caveat here is I have no idea how buckskin presents as a foal. lol
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                                • #17
                                  I am going to go with a very very dark sooty buckskin. NO way smoky black and I am on the fence with grey. Whether Bucky is or isnt grey, I cant see this colt greying out to be honest

                                  Buckskin's can come in such a wide variety of tones and shades. Here is Blacksaddle Starbuck, a genetically proven buckskin who NO ONE would ever peg as buckskin, just by looking at him ...



                                  He's adorable! Congratulations!
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                                  • #18
                                    I personally think 100% this foal is gray and think 100% that your stallion is gray as well.
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                                    • #19
                                      Originally posted by SilverSpringFarm View Post
                                      Any chance of gray? He really looks like a buckskin that is going to go gray. Gray foals of all base colors are usually born very dark.

                                      Here's a photo of a buckskin going-gray foal:

                                      http://www.grullablue.com/colors/foa...y_buckskin.jpg

                                      And a gray buckskin filly:

                                      http://i60.photobucket.com/albums/h1...g?t=1240584034
                                      You have to have one grey parent for a foal to be grey... but the sire does look like he is going grey...
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                                      • #20
                                        Buckskins don't have a dorsal stripe

                                        Duns do, so I would call him something Dun. Does the sire have the "tiger stripes" on his legs, also a Dun characteristic?

                                        The following is a compilation of information from the books "Horse Color" and "The Horse", along with help from the net.

                                        BUCKSKIN: clear light yellow, tan, sandy, & dark cream horses with *black* points and *without* a dorsal stripe. This is the definition that was used in the old American West. (Genetically buckskin is a cremello-dilution of bay.)
                                        DUN: This is a larger category. It includes:
                                        a) yellow/tan horses with *black* points, *with* a dorsal stripe (Genetically a dun-dilution of bay.)
                                        b) yellow/tan horses with *non-black* points, with or without a dorsal stripe. (In practice these horses usually have a dorsal stripe anyway.) The dorsal stripe can be any shade. (Genetically a dun-dilution or a cremello-dilution of chestnut.)
                                        Note that yellow/tan horses with *black* points are buckskin if they don't have a dorsal stripe, and dun if they do. (To remember this, think of "buck skin" -- deer don't have dorsal stripes. Or think of D=dun=dorsal.) Horses with yellow/tan coat colors and *non-black* points used to all be called "duns" regardless of the stripe. However, the new AQHA rulings mean that horses with non-black points without the stripe will be called buckskin rather than dun.

                                        The body color can be of different shades. For horses with *black* points, without dorsal stripes (if the horse has a stripe just change "buckskin" to "dun"):

                                        Dark or smokey buckskin = head and neck and rump a very dark brown, with more yellowing on the belly. (Caused by black hairs being mixed in with the yellow, the smutty Sty gene.) Definitely not grulla. Called "coyote dun" if there's a dorsal stripe.
                                        Dusty buckskin = yellow-brown body color.
                                        Peanut butter buckskin-just like it sounds-sort of a orange-tan buckskin with black points.
                                        Golden buckskin = the classic golden color with black points.
                                        Oatmeal buckskin = a shade just lighter than golden, with darker hairs on the rump and neck. But it isn't oatmeal color at all. ("Zebra dun" if striped.)
                                        Silver or creamy buckskin = very pale gold, almost cream body color, with black points.
                                        For horses with *non-black* points:

                                        Lilac dun -- an unusual rosy color with brown points, hazel eyes, and no dorsal stripe. (Cremello-dilution of a chocolate brown horse.)
                                        Muddy dun -- pale brownish red with brown points and head, and a brown stripe. (Dun-dilution of a chocolate brown horse.)
                                        Red dun -- very washed out red or yellowish-red bodies with brown, red or flaxen points. Usually with dorsal stripe. The legs and head are usually a darker shade of red than the body (unlike sorrel, which can have the same body color but pale legs. Also a sorrel wouldn't have a dorsal stripe). Variations in body shade are called "orange dun", "apricot dun", etc.
                                        Yellow dun -- yellow/tan body with non-black points. May have dorsal stripe, or may not. With brown points, often called "claybank dun".

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