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HELP-What color is this yearling pony?? UPDATE WITH DNA RESULTS

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  • #21
    I would say will end up grey, and very cute!
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    • #22
      He does look silver bay BUT I think that is just grey messin' with ya! I think he's probably flax chest. going grey. If he was to be a stallion I'd test him for silver though. (and E and A!)

      Any pictures of Mom's parents?
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      • #23
        I agree that he is a silver bay. Lovely color! Most likely the gray mare is also a silver and no one knows it because she grayed out. Hopefully this guy will not gray also and will stay such a neat color.

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          #24
          Originally posted by summerhorse View Post
          He does look silver bay BUT I think that is just grey messin' with ya! I think he's probably flax chest. going grey. If he was to be a stallion I'd test him for silver though. (and E and A!)

          Any pictures of Mom's parents?
          His dam's sire is Gayfield's Vida Blue who was grey. I am not sure what color Farnley Gorse was. Does anyone know? Was Downland Drummer Boy bay?
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          • #25
            Another vote for a pony turning grey.
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            • #26
              Originally posted by Summerwood View Post
              His dam's sire is Gayfield's Vida Blue who was grey. I am not sure what color Farnley Gorse was. Does anyone know? Was Downland Drummer Boy bay?
              *Downland Drummer Boy was bay.

              I still do NOT think he's grey! I have a similarly colored mare.
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              • #27
                I'm totally on the fence with him. Could easily see him testing as a silver bay, could also easily see him testing as a flaxen chestnut. The addition of pangare makes it even more difficult to guess.

                Definitely am not thinking gray because by 10 months I would expect to see a lot more white coming in on his head.
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                  #28
                  He does not have any white hair except on the blaze and sock. The other hair that may look white in the photos is actually a creamy color, similar to what is in his mane and on his legs (mixed with dark dapples). He also has dark dappling on his little booty cheeks.
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                  • #29
                    Originally posted by TaliaCristianna View Post
                    Definitely am not thinking gray because by 10 months I would expect to see a lot more white coming in on his head.
                    Even at 10 months he could be hiding any signs of graying - I've known a couple of horses now who didn't show a single strand of white hair until after their 1st birthday.

                    However, I'll still stand by the "not gray" because his legs were far too light at birth. That's even more reliable, IME, for predicting gray than any white around the eyes. Foal legs are born the adult color if they're going to gray. If they aren't, they're born "foal colored" which depends on the actual color. I have yet to see a "foal colored" foal turn gray (when it's clear that the adult color is a "normal" color - all bets are off with double dilutes ).
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                    • #30
                      I think if you showed me those pictures I would never guess they are the same horse! The stocking thing is crazy. I sure hope he doesn't go grey because he is pretty cool looking.
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                      • #31
                        Originally posted by JB View Post
                        Even at 10 months he could be hiding any signs of graying - I've known a couple of horses now who didn't show a single strand of white hair until after their 1st birthday.
                        Yes, but they are usually the exception and not the rule!
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                        • #32
                          Originally posted by JB View Post
                          However, I'll still stand by the "not gray" because his legs were far too light at birth. That's even more reliable, IME, for predicting gray than any white around the eyes. Foal legs are born the adult color if they're going to gray. If they aren't, they're born "foal colored" which depends on the actual color. I have yet to see a "foal colored" foal turn gray (when it's clear that the adult color is a "normal" color - all bets are off with double dilutes ).
                          JB, I really like your theory about the color of foals' legs, because it would make my life easier but...then how do you account for a foal like this one (pictured at 2 days) http://i66.photobucket.com/albums/h2...-3-11-09-b.jpg whose legs are the adult color, but who isn't going to go grey because she doesn't have a grey parent?
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                          • #33
                            Originally posted by SilverSpringFarm View Post
                            Yes, but they are usually the exception and not the rule!
                            Yep, the ones that gray as a yearling or later are exceptions, you're right. But I've never seen the legs fail

                            Originally posted by LaurieB View Post
                            JB, I really like your theory about the color of foals' legs, because it would make my life easier but...then how do you account for a foal like this one (pictured at 2 days) http://i66.photobucket.com/albums/h2...-3-11-09-b.jpg whose legs are the adult color, but who isn't going to go grey because she doesn't have a grey parent?
                            Ah, but that foals legs are NOT adult color They are mousy/grayish, which is what all bay non-gray foals are born with (white marks not counting).

                            Does anyone have a good picture of a bay foal who will/did turn gray? It's really very clear when you see the differences. The bay-gray foals legs will be black - adult color black, not mousy/grayish
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                            • #34
                              Originally posted by JB View Post
                              Yep, the ones that gray as a yearling or later are exceptions, you're right. But I've never seen the legs fail
                              Me neither! My gray palomino QH stallion went very dark on his legs and his hiney while simultaneously going pure white on his head.

                              I remember looking at him when he was a technicolor two-year old and thinking "Are you ever going to look like a normal horse???"
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                              • #35
                                Originally posted by JB View Post
                                Foal legs are born the adult color if they're going to gray.
                                Not gray
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                                Many Friesian foals are born BLACK black and have no chance of going gray as well.

                                Personally I dont think there is any truly 100% reliable way to tell if a foal is gray or not just based on looks.

                                Based on everything together I think this foal is chestnut going gray.
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                                • #36
                                  RMT, to me, that foal looks like he's just coming out of the charcoal/dark mousy stage.
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                                  • #37
                                    Originally posted by JB View Post
                                    Ah, but that foals legs are NOT adult color They are mousy/grayish, which is what all bay non-gray foals are born with (white marks not counting).
                                    I am truly not trying to be argumentative, just want to figure this out. The vast majority of my bay foals are not born with mousy/grayish--or what appear to me to be black--legs. They're born with light, wheat colored legs like this colt: http://i66.photobucket.com/albums/h2...-4-21-09-a.jpg Which is why the other filly's legs look so dark to me.
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                                    • #38
                                      Originally posted by JB View Post
                                      RMT, to me, that foal looks like he's just coming out of the charcoal/dark mousy stage.
                                      Shes not even 2 weeks old. Never seen a foal come out of a charcoal stage that fast.
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                                      • #39
                                        He reminds me of a breed called the Comtois.

                                        http://www.horsegroomingsupplies.com...o-g185009.html

                                        http://www.cancoillotte.net/IMG/jpg/...ntants_HN_.jpg

                                        http://www.rossinger.at/bilder/comtois.jpg
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                                          #40
                                          Originally posted by SilverSpringFarm View Post
                                          He reminds me of a breed called the Comtois.

                                          http://www.horsegroomingsupplies.com...o-g185009.html

                                          http://www.cancoillotte.net/IMG/jpg/...ntants_HN_.jpg

                                          http://www.rossinger.at/bilder/comtois.jpg
                                          Interesting....I have never heard of that breed!! Their color is beautiful.
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